Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?

FakeFox · August 2018

I don't see why having more then one account would be unfair. There really isn't much easy benefit. Everything you get out of it requires more time input, just like having twinks on the same account. I also have never seen someone getting banned for it, while it would be easy to do so, since ZOS can track the IP.

Epona222 · August 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't see why having more then one account would be unfair. There really isn't much easy benefit. Everything you get out of it requires more time input, just like having twinks on the same account. I also have never seen someone getting banned for it, while it would be easy to do so, since ZOS can track the IP.

Aye, and the reason for my getting another account is this (and I asked before getting account #2 whether it would be ok,): - at the time there were only 8 character slots per account with no way to increase that, and I wanted a Bosmer and a Nord. It's really that simple.

EDIT: Also as I understand it, PS4 and Xbox players can have as many ESO accounts as they like under their gamertag/username - I know plenty of people on consoles have 10 ESO accounts to get a guild bank without paying a penny.

Why anyone is being prissy about having multiple accounts here on PC, when we have to PAY for each account, is beyond me. I mean seriously, if someone on a console can have multiple accounts on their console account for free, if it's deemed that me having 3 accounts that I PAID for here is wrong, then I want a full refund of 2 accounts and all the crowns spent on them.

stojekarcub18_ESO · August 2018

multiboxing is against TOS. You can have as many accounts as you like, but if you want to be in the clear, run one per PC at a time.

Exstazik · August 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

So 2 examles:
1)You logging on account A.Get hireling.Close A.Logging to acc B.Get hireling from B.
It's not against ToS.
2)You are logging to account A,then on B.You have 2 open clients and get hirelings from A first,then from B.It's an issue because when you switch to B,Account A will receive benefit as a result by mail while afk.

Next example:
1)You run 4 accounts.Kill mob on one of them and loot it one by one on accounts:2,3,4.It's against rules because you get more items and as ZOS post to me it's can be explotation of game resources.
2)You run 1 account with 3 friends.You kill mob ,your friends loot them and give you all loot.As a result you will get x4 loot and only you make dmg while friends just stand near.It's also should be against rules as in number 1 example.

You're grasping here.

Hirelings don't require action beyond login, so it's not a reasonable comparison. You don't have to actually go to the virtual mail box. You don't even interact with an NPC. There's two keypresses involved, at most to collect a mail attachment, something you could probably do from multiple accounts at once.

Using your same logic, if you have two accounts, one of which has hirelings, the other of which does not, account #2 is not going to magically receive hireling drops by simply being grouped with account #1.

In your other examples, #1 has one person playing at any given time. #2 has four.

You're trying to justify getting the benefit of example two, with the unintended mechanic of example one.

They're not the same things, and you know it.

Example one to clarify what means playing and "logging"
Second one to clarify termin "explotation of game resources"
For both examples the result at the end similar but the methods not.Since 1) in ToS i do not see clarification for methods that do not authorized by ZOS 2) the game mechanics allowed you to do such things it's worked as indeed.That's why i choose methods on my own without fearing to get ban.

DocFrost72 · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

So 2 examles:
1)You logging on account A.Get hireling.Close A.Logging to acc B.Get hireling from B.
It's not against ToS.
2)You are logging to account A,then on B.You have 2 open clients and get hirelings from A first,then from B.It's an issue because when you switch to B,Account A will receive benefit as a result by mail while afk.

Next example:
1)You run 4 accounts.Kill mob on one of them and loot it one by one on accounts:2,3,4.It's against rules because you get more items and as ZOS post to me it's can be explotation of game resources.
2)You run 1 account with 3 friends.You kill mob ,your friends loot them and give you all loot.As a result you will get x4 loot and only you make dmg while friends just stand near.It's also should be against rules as in number 1 example.

You're grasping here.

Hirelings don't require action beyond login, so it's not a reasonable comparison. You don't have to actually go to the virtual mail box. You don't even interact with an NPC. There's two keypresses involved, at most to collect a mail attachment, something you could probably do from multiple accounts at once.

Using your same logic, if you have two accounts, one of which has hirelings, the other of which does not, account #2 is not going to magically receive hireling drops by simply being grouped with account #1.

In your other examples, #1 has one person playing at any given time. #2 has four.

You're trying to justify getting the benefit of example two, with the unintended mechanic of example one.

They're not the same things, and you know it.

For both examples the result at the end similar but the methods not.

When you accidentally answer your own question.

Runs · August 2018

I don't know why this thread is still open.

You've already admitted to exploiting. 10 accounts played at the same time isn't some innocent "oops, I didn't know". Personally, I wouldn't even consider 2-3 accounts at same time gathering loot off of one accounts work, but 10 theres no *** way you thought that was fair play. That's more on the verge of what gold sellers are doing.

Nice cleaning up the number 10 from editing one of your posts, but you still left it in another btw.

Olupajmibanan · August 2018

Sometime ago ZoS stated in a post that the only allowed form of multiboxing is alt-tabing between multiple instances of EsO. You aren't playing on two accounts simultaneously so it seems pretty logical.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

So 2 examles:
1)You logging on account A.Get hireling.Close A.Logging to acc B.Get hireling from B.
It's not against ToS.
2)You are logging to account A,then on B.You have 2 open clients and get hirelings from A first,then from B.It's an issue because when you switch to B,Account A will receive benefit as a result by mail while afk.

Next example:
1)You run 4 accounts.Kill mob on one of them and loot it one by one on accounts:2,3,4.It's against rules because you get more items and as ZOS post to me it's can be explotation of game resources.
2)You run 1 account with 3 friends.You kill mob ,your friends loot them and give you all loot.As a result you will get x4 loot and only you make dmg while friends just stand near.It's also should be against rules as in number 1 example.

You're grasping here.

Hirelings don't require action beyond login, so it's not a reasonable comparison. You don't have to actually go to the virtual mail box. You don't even interact with an NPC. There's two keypresses involved, at most to collect a mail attachment, something you could probably do from multiple accounts at once.

Using your same logic, if you have two accounts, one of which has hirelings, the other of which does not, account #2 is not going to magically receive hireling drops by simply being grouped with account #1.

In your other examples, #1 has one person playing at any given time. #2 has four.

You're trying to justify getting the benefit of example two, with the unintended mechanic of example one.

They're not the same things, and you know it.

Example one to clarify what means playing and "logging"
Second one to clarify termin "explotation of game resources"
For both examples the result at the end similar but the methods not.Since 1) in ToS i do not see clarification for methods that do not authorized by ZOS 2) the game mechanics allowed you to do such things it's worked as indeed.That's why i choose methods on my own without fearing to get ban.

Ok, here's what I would like you to do:

On account #1, I would like you move a set distance to an NPC, say a vendor. I'd like you to sell 3 specific items, repair, and purchase 1 specific item. I would like you then to go over to a different NPC, repeat the process with different items. Finally, go to a third NPC and buy back 5 of the 6 items you sold.

At the same time, On account two, I'd like you to craft some things at a blacksmithing station, enchanting station, and alchemy station. Account #2 should then proceed to account #1's character and trade specified items in return for other specified items.

On account #3, I would like you to engage in a fight with an enemy (mudcrab is fine), and use the skills requested at the times requested, and moving in the pattern dictated during this test.

Do all of this at the same time, by yourself, without automation, and we'll call it valid.

Playing the game means active, not idle, which is what all of your non-automated alt accounts are while you are active with the one you're actually controlling at any given moment.

One requires interaction on the part of a character. The other simply requires presence.

You know what you're doing. You know what you're asking. Semantics aside, it's wrong and you're simply trying to find a justification around it.

What you are describing is not reasonable possible for any encounter that is remotely worthwhile, and you know it.

Hokiewa · August 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

So 2 examles:
1)You logging on account A.Get hireling.Close A.Logging to acc B.Get hireling from B.
It's not against ToS.
2)You are logging to account A,then on B.You have 2 open clients and get hirelings from A first,then from B.It's an issue because when you switch to B,Account A will receive benefit as a result by mail while afk.

Next example:
1)You run 4 accounts.Kill mob on one of them and loot it one by one on accounts:2,3,4.It's against rules because you get more items and as ZOS post to me it's can be explotation of game resources.
2)You run 1 account with 3 friends.You kill mob ,your friends loot them and give you all loot.As a result you will get x4 loot and only you make dmg while friends just stand near.It's also should be against rules as in number 1 example.

You're grasping here.

Hirelings don't require action beyond login, so it's not a reasonable comparison. You don't have to actually go to the virtual mail box. You don't even interact with an NPC. There's two keypresses involved, at most to collect a mail attachment, something you could probably do from multiple accounts at once.

Using your same logic, if you have two accounts, one of which has hirelings, the other of which does not, account #2 is not going to magically receive hireling drops by simply being grouped with account #1.

In your other examples, #1 has one person playing at any given time. #2 has four.

You're trying to justify getting the benefit of example two, with the unintended mechanic of example one.

They're not the same things, and you know it.

Example one to clarify what means playing and "logging"
Second one to clarify termin "explotation of game resources"
For both examples the result at the end similar but the methods not.Since 1) in ToS i do not see clarification for methods that do not authorized by ZOS 2) the game mechanics allowed you to do such things it's worked as indeed.That's why i choose methods on my own without fearing to get ban.

Ok, here's what I would like you to do:

On account #1, I would like you move a set distance to an NPC, say a vendor. I'd like you to sell 3 specific items, repair, and purchase 1 specific item. I would like you then to go over to a different NPC, repeat the process with different items. Finally, go to a third NPC and buy back 5 of the 6 items you sold.

At the same time, On account two, I'd like you to craft some things at a blacksmithing station, enchanting station, and alchemy station. Account #2 should then proceed to account #1's character and trade specified items in return for other specified items.

On account #3, I would like you to engage in a fight with an enemy (mudcrab is fine), and use the skills requested at the times requested, and moving in the pattern dictated during this test.

Do all of this at the same time, by yourself, without automation, and we'll call it valid.

Playing the game means active, not idle, which is what all of your non-automated alt accounts are while you are active with the one you're actually controlling at any given moment.

One requires interaction on the part of a character. The other simply requires presence.

You know what you're doing. You know what you're asking. Semantics aside, it's wrong and you're simply trying to find a justification around it.

What you are describing is not reasonable possible for any encounter that is remotely worthwhile, and you know it.

He is literally trying to find some imaginary loophole for his ban for multiboxing. It's not going to happen but he can't let it go. You are spot on though, he's not gonna to find the answer he wants to hear. Like ever. Lol.

Epona222 · August 2018

No, that's multiboxing/automated macro stuff.

Shame on you OP for trying to make me feel bad for having more than 1 account because I wanted more character slots and builds, shame on you. Don't try to use me to justify whatever it is you are doing.

ZOS_Ragnar · August 2018

Multiboxing is NOT allowed in The Elder Scrolls Online in any of its forms, whether software- or hardware-based. Any accounts found to be multiboxing will be considered in violation of our Terms of Service and actioned swiftly and decisively, up to the permanent deactivation of the account along with any other associated accounts. To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts. This violates the intended nature of the gameplay mechanics we've created for ESO.

This information can be found on our support site here: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/23701

Epona222 · August 2018

Thank you @ZOS_RyanM - that is exactly what I was told when I asked if it was ok to have a 2nd account in the first place. I've never logged in on 2 accounts at the same time (please do check this if in any doubt, I know I have done nothing wrong), and play them separately, as I was instructed when I asked all that time ago. Thank you for confirming that I am doing nothing wrong.

Exstazik · August 2018

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts.

Does Playing equal logging?

Epona222 · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts.

Does Playing equal logging?

OMG how difficult is this to understand, you cannot be logged in to more than 1 account at a time.
Playing - account logged in to the server.

Olupajmibanan · August 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts.

Does Playing equal logging?

OMG how difficult is this to understand, you cannot be logged in to more than 1 account at a time.
Playing - account logged in to the server.

Not stated anywhere, so be careful with unconfirmed statements.

Hokiewa · August 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts.

Does Playing equal logging?

OMG how difficult is this to understand, you cannot be logged in to more than 1 account at a time.
Playing - account logged in to the server.

Not stated anywhere, so be careful with unconfirmed statements.

I consider his ban for doing precisely that as a confirmed and authoritative statement.

ZOS_Ragnar · August 2018

We have closed this thread.