Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?

Exstazik

Since support do not have "live" chat.And i'm bored to waiting because 1 message receive answer after ~20+hours i want to ask here.

In ToS i find about this info:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax. "

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I haven't seen anything in the ToS that would necessarily bar one from running multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time.So anything not automated is working as intended until otherwise specified.
Also a few hours ago i get response :"Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"

So does these actions can get you ban ?:

• Running multiple accounts for multidrop without any 3d party program/Rubberbanding/Macro is allowed?No- because you get advantage
• Using multiple accounts for hirelings?NO-because you get advantage in mats/resources.
• Using multiple accounts to make guild bank/using free inventory space for items? NO-you get advantage
• Using multiple accounts for craft daily?No-because you get advantage.

Need to clarify this.

Soleya

I can't imagine ZOS wouldn't want someone to buy 50 accounts so they could get a guild bank. Seems like bad business practice to me.

Nestor

I love these "please tell me how I can exploit the game and not get banned" threads....

Nothing in you examples gives you more resources faster. The minimal amount you get from hirelings does not count, and you still have to log to them for the email.

Armatesz

This made me think this was implying to those of us that solo certain content that is kinda intended for groups just to get a chance to get something we are after because for some odd reason it is easier to solo the content than with a group.

zaria

Soleya wrote: »

I can't imagine ZOS wouldn't want someone to buy 50 accounts so they could get a guild bank. Seems like bad business practice to me.

Some altoholics has multiple accounts. This is not an problem.

Multi boxing might be illegal, this is typicaly running multiple accounts at once using one keyboard mouse.
You could do skyreach run or farm dungeons this way to even with separate controls, one doing the fighting and the 1-2 other charters following.

Kikke

You have certain traders (atleast on EU) that have 2-3 accounts with 10+ trade guilds. I would call that an advantage, no?

Runs

CAN I MULTIBOX IN THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE? support article wrote:

Multiboxing is NOT allowed in The Elder Scrolls Online in any of its forms, whether software- or hardware-based. Any accounts found to be multiboxing will be considered in violation of our Terms of Service and actioned swiftly and decisively, up to the permanent deactivation of the account along with any other associated accounts. To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts. This violates the intended nature of the gameplay mechanics we've created for ESO.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I see a huge difference between running multiple accounts simultaneously to go after some drop and doing something like crafting writs on multiple accounts one at a time. 15 toons is more than enough for me, but if you want to actually take the time to level a second account for writs or storage, I just dont see ZOS caring, especially considering a lot of people do it and have been for a long while.

Exstazik

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I see a huge difference between running multiple accounts simultaneously to go after some drop and doing something like crafting writs on multiple accounts one at a time. 15 toons is more than enough for me, but if you want to actually take the time to level a second account for writs or storage, I just dont see ZOS caring, especially considering a lot of people do it and have been for a long while.

i'm agree.But according to answer from zos ":"Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"".
So you get advantage in any case if you play on several accounts.

Runs wrote: »

CAN I MULTIBOX IN THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE? support article wrote:

Multiboxing is NOT allowed in The Elder Scrolls Online in any of its forms, whether software- or hardware-based. Any accounts found to be multiboxing will be considered in violation of our Terms of Service and actioned swiftly and decisively, up to the permanent deactivation of the account along with any other associated accounts. To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts. This violates the intended nature of the gameplay mechanics we've created for ESO.

It is ok to be logged on to more than one account at once. It is not ok to to have any type of automated control over any of them.

Runs

We don't need clarification on this. They have always been clear. Playing multiple accounts is ok, playing them at the same time is not.

Believe it or not playing a second account at the same time on the same computer is still using hardware

Exstazik wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I see a huge difference between running multiple accounts simultaneously to go after some drop and doing something like crafting writs on multiple accounts one at a time. 15 toons is more than enough for me, but if you want to actually take the time to level a second account for writs or storage, I just dont see ZOS caring, especially considering a lot of people do it and have been for a long while.

i'm agree.But according to answer from zos ":"Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"".
So you get advantage in any case if ypu play on several accounts.

Runs wrote: »

CAN I MULTIBOX IN THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE? support article wrote:

Multiboxing is NOT allowed in The Elder Scrolls Online in any of its forms, whether software- or hardware-based. Any accounts found to be multiboxing will be considered in violation of our Terms of Service and actioned swiftly and decisively, up to the permanent deactivation of the account along with any other associated accounts. To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts. This violates the intended nature of the gameplay mechanics we've created for ESO.

It is ok to be logged on to more than one account at once. It is not ok to to have any type of automated control over any of them.

"Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts."

Keep reading it over and over, and focus on the section I put in bold.

Enslaved

Exstazik wrote: »

So does these actions can get you ban ?:

• Running multiple accounts for multidrop without any 3d party program/Rubberbanding/Macro is allowed?No- because you get advantage
• Using multiple accounts for hirelings?NO-because you get advantage in mats/resources.
• Using multiple accounts to make guild bank/using free inventory space for items? NO-you get advantage
• Using multiple accounts for craft daily?No-because you get advantage.

Need to clarify this.

If u payed for game 10 times so u can have personal guild 500 slot bank space, why would on nirn money grabbing zos ban you?
If you do that for hirelings, why would it be an offense?
same with daily crafting.
Not sure about playing with yourself (lol) at the same time.

Turelus

You can have as many accounts and characters as you want.

You can't use any kind of automation to play multiple at once (this includes basic macros), however there is some leeway with add-ons (Lazy Writ Crafter) when it comes to automation.

You're not meant to log into two accounts at once and play them together, and it is technically against the ToS. I've not heard of anyone being banned for doing so but I personally wouldn't recommend it.

VaranisArano

ZOS isn't going to discuss disciplinary actions on the forums. Sorry, you really do need to be patient and wait for Support to get back in touch with you.

DocFrost72

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

VaranisArano

Double post, sorry

Jayman1000

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

Jayman1000

Runs wrote: »

"Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts."

Keep reading it over and over, and focus on the section I put in bold.

Simultaneously means "at the same time". If you are logged in to the accounts at the same time, but only playing one at a time, then it wouldnt be multiboxing, and you wouldn't be breaking TOS as I see it. So as long as you only play on one account at a time you can still be logged in to both at the same time.

Since you seem to equate "playing" with "logged in" and I definately disagree with such an equation, maybe we DO need clarification.

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Runs

Doesn't matter how you see it. It matters how ZOS(who can remove your access to their account for any or no reason at any time) sees it.

jaws343

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

But that isn't what was being said. The difference between this and being carried is that being carried requires the input from two players. This is 1 player logged in on two accounts farming the same kills twice for themselves. That's as close to what bots do as you can get.

Runs

jaws343 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

But that isn't what was being said. The difference between this and being carried is that being carried requires the input from two players. This is 1 player logged in on two accounts farming the same kills twice for themselves. That's as close to what bots do as you can get.

^^ This. I've seen as many as 11 accounts stealthed away while one player kills leather dropping mobs then switching to pick up the loot in certain areas... The Rift, right outside Riften. Bangkorai, where the quest involving Hircine is and the quest where a man needs you to help his werewolf husband. I've seen it just about everywhere there are tons of leather dropping mobs. Although, it has been quite a while since I have seen it. Looks like the are getting rid of people doing it thank god.

Jayman1000

jaws343 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

But that isn't what was being said. The difference between this and being carried is that being carried requires the input from two players. This is 1 player logged in on two accounts farming the same kills twice for themselves. That's as close to what bots do as you can get.

I fail to see the difference really. According to the TOS you can't play simultaneously. But if you only play on one account at a time you are not playing simultaneously; you are still only playing one account at a time.

It's also nothing to do with bots. Bots are automating input which is something entirely different than what we are talking about here.

DocFrost72

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

I was going to go in depth, but this second post understood what I was saying:

jaws343 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Fine: Log onto two accounts and bring them both to a roleplay scene (maybe two brothers, so as to capture interaction between them).

Not fine: Sitting one of the brothers afk in the center of a grinding route and grinding on one account so as to get double the rewards.

The difference between the two in spirit doesn't need a TOS for me to differentiate

Basically you're saying that carrying should not be allowed. (that "afk" brother still need to loot the corpses so it cant actually be afk for that to work).

But that isn't what was being said. The difference between this and being carried is that being carried requires the input from two players. This is 1 player logged in on two accounts farming the same kills twice for themselves. That's as close to what bots do as you can get.

Here's the difference between a skyreach carry and using 2 accounts on one machine:

In the former, two active players are getting one reward each for their actions.

In the latter, one active player reaps two rewards for each of their actions.

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

Jayman1000

Runs wrote: »

^^ This. I've seen as many as 11 accounts stealthed away while one player kills leather dropping mobs then switching to pick up the loot in certain areas... The Rift, right outside Riften. Bangkorai, where the quest involving Hircine is and the quest where a man needs you to help his werewolf husband. I've seen it just about everywhere there are tons of leather dropping mobs. Although, it has been quite a while since I have seen it. Looks like the are getting rid of people doing it thank god.

What you are describing doesn't break TOS unless you think that a character sitting afk is "playing"? I disagree that this is playing. If you are logged in but not actually playing it, then you are not playing it.

What about several accounts receiving hireling mats then? That is completely the same, in fact that may be even worse because you don't even need to be logged in to received the mats in the mail, you only need to login once to retrieve the mats from the mail.

Jayman1000

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One player controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

But even so the TOS only bans multiboxing, that is playing multiple characters simultaneously, aka at the same time. Playing on two characters one at a time is not playing them at the same time. If zos disagree with this they need to update and clarify their TOS because the current TOS does not prohibit switching between playing on multiple accounts one at a time.

DocFrost72

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One playing controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

You are factually just wrong.

If you are in group with your alternate account and kill one animal, then collect two seperate loot tables on the two accounts, you are, with intent, playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards.

Logging in on x amount of characters to collect hirelings is impossible to surpass what is possible through normal gameplay. In what situation besides intentionally multiboxing can you kill a mob once and get two loot tables?

Now, you may not agree that this should be against TOS, but it is, and if you do it you will be disciplined. If you are comfortable with that, go ahead

By the way, there is no one at the keyboard when bots farm, but they are banned. Are bots against the TOS?

jaws343

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One player controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

But even so the TOS only bans multiboxing, that is playing multiple characters simultaneously, aka at the same time. Playing on two characters one at a time is not playing them at the same time. If zos disagree with this they need to update and clarify their TOS because the current TOS does not prohibit switching between playing on multiple accounts one at a time.

Being logged into the game is "playing." Whether you are sitting there doing nothing or doing a trial, you are playing the game by being logged into it. Logging into two accounts at the same time is playing the game on two accounts at the same time. You can try to twist the words to justify cheating all you want, but you will still be wrong.

And owing two accounts is not against TOS. As long as you log completely out of one account and log into the other. And then log completely out of that account before you log back into your other account.

Exstazik

jaws343 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One player controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

But even so the TOS only bans multiboxing, that is playing multiple characters simultaneously, aka at the same time. Playing on two characters one at a time is not playing them at the same time. If zos disagree with this they need to update and clarify their TOS because the current TOS does not prohibit switching between playing on multiple accounts one at a time.

Being logged into the game is "playing." Whether you are sitting there doing nothing or doing a trial, you are playing the game by being logged into it. Logging into two accounts at the same time is playing the game on two accounts at the same time. You can try to twist the words to justify cheating all you want, but you will still be wrong.

And owing two accounts is not against TOS. As long as you log completely out of one account and log into the other. And then log completely out of that account before you log back into your other account.

Now can you please give any info in TOS about logging=playing?Because i didn't find any.At this state logging not equal playing.

Exstazik

All have different point of view because ToS do not clarify some termins.So we need help from ZOS team.
@ZOS_GinaBruno may we ask to clarify some termins?

Exstazik

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One playing controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

You are factually just wrong.

If you are in group with your alternate account and kill one animal, then collect two seperate loot tables on the two accounts, you are, with intent, playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards.

Logging in on x amount of characters to collect hirelings is impossible to surpass what is possible through normal gameplay. In what situation besides intentionally multiboxing can you kill a mob once and get two loot tables?

Now, you may not agree that this should be against TOS, but it is, and if you do it you will be disciplined. If you are comfortable with that, go ahead

By the way, there is no one at the keyboard when bots farm, but they are banned. Are bots against the TOS?

You get different loot table for each character.
Since mechanics of the game allowed to get loot for each character in group it's not against ToS.

DocFrost72

Exstazik wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One playing controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

You are factually just wrong.

If you are in group with your alternate account and kill one animal, then collect two seperate loot tables on the two accounts, you are, with intent, playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards.

Logging in on x amount of characters to collect hirelings is impossible to surpass what is possible through normal gameplay. In what situation besides intentionally multiboxing can you kill a mob once and get two loot tables?

Now, you may not agree that this should be against TOS, but it is, and if you do it you will be disciplined. If you are comfortable with that, go ahead

By the way, there is no one at the keyboard when bots farm, but they are banned. Are bots against the TOS?

You get different loot table for each character.
Since mechanics of the game allowed to get loot for each character in group it's not against ToS.

Sure it isn't, because you don't want it to be

jaws343

Exstazik wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Can you see how this is fundamentally different in intent? It is the difference between two players assisting each other, and one person gaming the system to get more rewards for the same exact effort expended.

That's not true that it is the exact same effort expended. One playing controlling one account at a time, switching betweem two, has to control the second account independently from the first account. That is a far cry from your "same effort expended".

You are factually just wrong.

If you are in group with your alternate account and kill one animal, then collect two seperate loot tables on the two accounts, you are, with intent, playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards.

Logging in on x amount of characters to collect hirelings is impossible to surpass what is possible through normal gameplay. In what situation besides intentionally multiboxing can you kill a mob once and get two loot tables?

Now, you may not agree that this should be against TOS, but it is, and if you do it you will be disciplined. If you are comfortable with that, go ahead

By the way, there is no one at the keyboard when bots farm, but they are banned. Are bots against the TOS?

You get different loot table for each character.
Since mechanics of the game allowed to get loot for each character in group it's not against ToS.

Anything to justify cheating right? Great morals we have here.