Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?

Linaleah · August 2018

its not cheating to play 2 accounts at once. its cheating if you automate it.

if my SO and I play together, for example and lets say my high level character carries his high level character through skyreach. it actualy goes fairly fast, becasue he can loot the moment things die.

now if I have that second account open on a second computer, but have to loot on each account myself - it takes longer, becasue instead of being able to do it simultaneously, I have to switch between computers (and clients) I can only personaly physically do one thing at a time, since i'm NOT automating the process. its slower. do you see where i'm going with it? the only advantage that happens here is if I completely automate second account, aka - turn it into a bot and never have to manually switch over to it.

ZoS doesn't mind people switching between clients. ZoS minds it when you use EXTERNAL SOFTWARE OF HARDWARE that does it for you. secondary account still has to level all the things, still has to spend time and resources. they don't get to loot a resource node along with my main account becasue resource nodes are not shared. there is no auto follow in game so if I want my secondary account to move and catch up with the first - I HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY while first account waits. as much as you question "being logged in = playing" it really isn't. not without automating it.

when my main and only my main account is logged in and I have to step away from my computer - I'm not playing. I'm logged in, but i'm NOT playing. its the same with 2 accounts.

when I am crafting daily writs, i can only do it on one character at a time becasue my account is NOT a bot, so each character has to manualy be controlled by me. so having 2 accounts with 8 characters each is not that much different from having a single account with 15 character slots all filled. well... 1 character. but each one of those had to be prepped individually and has to be controlled manually. if you are willing to invest more time - you get better results. its literally all it comes down to.

and as for loot chances... you literally have better chances in a group with friends willing to trade you needed gear, becasue you can do it faster then dragging along a second account character that you constantly have to keep moving yourself and that takes twice as much time becasue of it. can't even dual box dolmens, not really since the time between standing still for even a moment and time where you start to get hit by anti bot lightning is so small, I've actualy been hit by it when I would stay in one place for a few seconds trying to TANK A DOLMEN BOSS. you have to at the very least constantly bounce in place. its not some magical thing where you get twice as much loot in the same amount of time and same amount of effort, like some of you think, which is why its NOT against ToS.

Exstazik · August 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

its not cheating to play 2 accounts at once. its cheating if you automate it.

if my SO and I play together, for example and lets say my high level character carries his high level character through skyreach. it actualy goes fairly fast, becasue he can loot the moment things die.

now if I have that second account open on a second computer, but have to loot on each account myself - it takes longer, becasue instead of being able to do it simultaneously, I have to switch between computers (and clients) I can only personaly physically do one thing at a time, since i'm NOT automating the process. its slower. do you see where i'm going with it? the only advantage that happens here is if I completely automate second account, aka - turn it into a bot and never have to manually switch over to it.

ZoS doesn't mind people switching between clients. ZoS minds it when you use EXTERNAL SOFTWARE OF HARDWARE that does it for you. secondary account still has to level all the things, still has to spend time and resources. they don't get to loot a resource node along with my main account becasue resource nodes are not shared. there is no auto follow in game so if I want my secondary account to move and catch up with the first - I HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY while first account waits. as much as you question "being logged in = playing" it really isn't. not without automating it.

when my main and only my main account is logged in and I have to step away from my computer - I'm not playing. I'm logged in, but i'm NOT playing. its the same with 2 accounts.

when I am crafting daily writs, i can only do it on one character at a time becasue my account is NOT a bot, so each character has to manualy be controlled by me. so having 2 accounts with 8 characters each is not that much different from having a single account with 15 character slots all filled. well... 1 character. but each one of those had to be prepped individually and has to be controlled manually. if you are willing to invest more time - you get better results. its literally all it comes down to.

and as for loot chances... you literally have better chances in a group with friends willing to trade you needed gear, becasue you can do it faster then dragging along a second account character that you constantly have to keep moving yourself and that takes twice as much time becasue of it. can't even dual box dolmens, not really since the time between standing still for even a moment and time where you start to get hit by anti bot lightning is so small, I've actualy been hit by it when I would stay in one place for a few seconds trying to TANK A DOLMEN BOSS. you have to at the very least constantly bounce in place. its not some magical thing where you get twice as much loot in the same amount of time and same amount of effort, like some of you think, which is why its NOT against ToS.

I wrote to zos team and this is what they answer to me :""Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"".I wrote the same things as you are.

Runs · August 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

its not cheating to play 2 accounts at once. its cheating if you automate it.

if my SO and I play together, for example and lets say my high level character carries his high level character through skyreach. it actualy goes fairly fast, becasue he can loot the moment things die.

now if I have that second account open on a second computer, but have to loot on each account myself - it takes longer, becasue instead of being able to do it simultaneously, I have to switch between computers (and clients) I can only personaly physically do one thing at a time, since i'm NOT automating the process. its slower. do you see where i'm going with it? the only advantage that happens here is if I completely automate second account, aka - turn it into a bot and never have to manually switch over to it.

ZoS doesn't mind people switching between clients. ZoS minds it when you use EXTERNAL SOFTWARE OF HARDWARE that does it for you. secondary account still has to level all the things, still has to spend time and resources. they don't get to loot a resource node along with my main account becasue resource nodes are not shared. there is no auto follow in game so if I want my secondary account to move and catch up with the first - I HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY while first account waits. as much as you question "being logged in = playing" it really isn't. not without automating it.

when my main and only my main account is logged in and I have to step away from my computer - I'm not playing. I'm logged in, but i'm NOT playing. its the same with 2 accounts.

when I am crafting daily writs, i can only do it on one character at a time becasue my account is NOT a bot, so each character has to manualy be controlled by me. so having 2 accounts with 8 characters each is not that much different from having a single account with 15 character slots all filled. well... 1 character. but each one of those had to be prepped individually and has to be controlled manually. if you are willing to invest more time - you get better results. its literally all it comes down to.

and as for loot chances... you literally have better chances in a group with friends willing to trade you needed gear, becasue you can do it faster then dragging along a second account character that you constantly have to keep moving yourself and that takes twice as much time becasue of it. can't even dual box dolmens, not really since the time between standing still for even a moment and time where you start to get hit by anti bot lightning is so small, I've actualy been hit by it when I would stay in one place for a few seconds trying to TANK A DOLMEN BOSS. you have to at the very least constantly bounce in place. its not some magical thing where you get twice as much loot in the same amount of time and same amount of effort, like some of you think, which is why its NOT against ToS.

No need to even read past the bold line... It's wrong. ZOS says it's wrong on the support article about it that has already been posted in this thread.

Either way play how you want. It's ZOS's call on what is fair play and what isn't, not us the players. If ZOS decides to ban you for it, no reason to come crying in the forums.

Exstazik · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

Either way play how you want. It's ZOS's call on what is fair play and what isn't, not us the players. If ZOS decides to ban you for it, no reason to come crying in the forums.

We have ToS and if there no specifically info about what is fair and what not ,so you can play as you understand rules.
From ToS :"methods not authorized by ZeniMax".How i can know what methods if there is no any further specification ?I can't use mind-reading ,sorry.....

Linaleah · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

its not cheating to play 2 accounts at once. its cheating if you automate it.

if my SO and I play together, for example and lets say my high level character carries his high level character through skyreach. it actualy goes fairly fast, becasue he can loot the moment things die.

now if I have that second account open on a second computer, but have to loot on each account myself - it takes longer, becasue instead of being able to do it simultaneously, I have to switch between computers (and clients) I can only personaly physically do one thing at a time, since i'm NOT automating the process. its slower. do you see where i'm going with it? the only advantage that happens here is if I completely automate second account, aka - turn it into a bot and never have to manually switch over to it.

ZoS doesn't mind people switching between clients. ZoS minds it when you use EXTERNAL SOFTWARE OF HARDWARE that does it for you. secondary account still has to level all the things, still has to spend time and resources. they don't get to loot a resource node along with my main account becasue resource nodes are not shared. there is no auto follow in game so if I want my secondary account to move and catch up with the first - I HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY while first account waits. as much as you question "being logged in = playing" it really isn't. not without automating it.

when my main and only my main account is logged in and I have to step away from my computer - I'm not playing. I'm logged in, but i'm NOT playing. its the same with 2 accounts.

when I am crafting daily writs, i can only do it on one character at a time becasue my account is NOT a bot, so each character has to manualy be controlled by me. so having 2 accounts with 8 characters each is not that much different from having a single account with 15 character slots all filled. well... 1 character. but each one of those had to be prepped individually and has to be controlled manually. if you are willing to invest more time - you get better results. its literally all it comes down to.

and as for loot chances... you literally have better chances in a group with friends willing to trade you needed gear, becasue you can do it faster then dragging along a second account character that you constantly have to keep moving yourself and that takes twice as much time becasue of it. can't even dual box dolmens, not really since the time between standing still for even a moment and time where you start to get hit by anti bot lightning is so small, I've actualy been hit by it when I would stay in one place for a few seconds trying to TANK A DOLMEN BOSS. you have to at the very least constantly bounce in place. its not some magical thing where you get twice as much loot in the same amount of time and same amount of effort, like some of you think, which is why its NOT against ToS.

No need to even read past the bold line... It's wrong. ZOS says it's wrong on the support article about it that has already been posted in this thread.

Either way play how you want. It's ZOS's call on what is fair play and what isn't, not us the players. If ZOS decides to ban you for it, no reason to come crying in the forums.

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

its not functionally any different from using multiple alts to farm for things. you will ALWAYS have advantage on multiple characters vs a single one. as long as you operate each character individually, there is no functional difference between alts on a single account and alts spread across multiple accounts. well.. except for the whole I can trade BoP items to my alts on the same account, and i cannot do that between accounts unless they are in a group and i have already described how its actualy faster and easier to do when you are grouped with actual people who are friends willing to trade you things.

Exstazik · August 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

And what to do if both support and some people from ZOS_team_forum said:NO!Yor get an advantage even in this situtation.?

DuskMarine · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Since support do not have "live" chat.And i'm bored to waiting because 1 message receive answer after ~20+hours i want to ask here.

In ToS i find about this info:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax. "

Let's start big wall of text

I haven't seen anything in the ToS that would necessarily bar one from running multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time.So anything not automated is working as intended until otherwise specified.
Also a few hours ago i get response :"Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"

So does these actions can get you ban ?:
Running multiple accounts for multidrop without any 3d party program/Rubberbanding/Macro is allowed?No- because you get advantage

Using multiple accounts for hirelings?NO-because you get advantage in mats/resources.

Using multiple accounts to make guild bank/using free inventory space for items? NO-you get advantage

Using multiple accounts for craft daily?No-because you get advantage.

Need to clarify this.

well alcast has more than 1 account on the same computer so

Exstazik · August 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Since support do not have "live" chat.And i'm bored to waiting because 1 message receive answer after ~20+hours i want to ask here.

In ToS i find about this info:
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax. "

Let's start big wall of text

I haven't seen anything in the ToS that would necessarily bar one from running multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time.So anything not automated is working as intended until otherwise specified.
Also a few hours ago i get response :"Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character"

So does these actions can get you ban ?:
Running multiple accounts for multidrop without any 3d party program/Rubberbanding/Macro is allowed?No- because you get advantage

Using multiple accounts for hirelings?NO-because you get advantage in mats/resources.

Using multiple accounts to make guild bank/using free inventory space for items? NO-you get advantage

Using multiple accounts for craft daily?No-because you get advantage.

Need to clarify this.

well alcast has more than 1 account on the same computer so

Well alcast earn $$$ for ZOS.ANd me not.so...

VaranisArano · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

And what to do if both support and some people from ZOS_team_forum said:NO!Yor get an advantage even in this situtation.?

Then you talk to Support and the ZOS Forum Team and you take their word on the matter.

Really, who are you going to listen to, ZOS Support or posters on the forums?

Seriously, we posters cannot help you with this. You have a disciplinary action that you have to discuss with Support. Support isn't going to discuss it here on the forums. Go contact them if there's something you think you need to bring to their attention, because talking to us here is accomplishing nothing for your case.

Exstazik · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

And what to do if both support and some people from ZOS_team_forum said:NO!Yor get an advantage even in this situtation.?

Then you talk to Support and the ZOS Forum Team and you take their word on the matter.

Really, who are you going to listen to, ZOS Support or posters on the forums?

Seriously, we posters cannot help you with this. You have a disciplinary action that you have to discuss with Support. Support isn't going to discuss it here on the forums. Go contact them if there's something you think you need to bring to their attention, because talking to us here is accomplishing nothing for your case.

Support don't give answer already 2 days.They closed all my tickets as solved.And all answers which i receive was the same copy-paste answer.Also no word from ZOS in this thread.I don't discuss disciplinary action,i discuss some moments from ToS.

Linaleah · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

And what to do if both support and some people from ZOS_team_forum said:NO!Yor get an advantage even in this situtation.?

playing the way i have described. I have never once gotten a pip from zos. becasue playing the way i do doesn't look like boting to the game, or to people who come across either of my characters. so the question now is.. did you contact zos becasue you got reported? or becasue you wanted to know if its ok, before you got another account?

and if you got reported. WHAT were you doing and how?

there are a lot of mixed messages on a forum from players. the thread i'm thinking of had Gina replying to it. so take it as you will. if you are so very worried, than don't do it? having multiple accounts is 100% fine. most people play them one at a time anyways, becasue with zero automation tools, its kind of a hassle to try playing them at the same time. i actualy do questing etc faster when I'm only focused on and logged into a single account at a time. playing them at the same time is where the gray area starts. and even within that gray area... how do you even tell? unless there is a use of botting and external software? you cannot. becasue in the end, there IS no unfair advantage there anymore than there is unfair advantage to playing lots of alts and maxing out your character slots.

Exstazik · August 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

this is not the first time this thread has shown up and as per comments on previous thread - as long as you don't automate it - separate client, separate keystrokes used manually - its fine.

And what to do if both support and some people from ZOS_team_forum said:NO!Yor get an advantage even in this situtation.?

playing the way i have described. I have never once gotten a pip from zos. becasue playing the way i do doesn't look like boting to the game, or to people who come across either of my characters. so the question now is.. did you contact zos becasue you got reported? or becasue you wanted to know if its ok, before you got another account?

and if you got reported. WHAT were you doing and how?

there are a lot of mixed messages on a forum from players. the thread i'm thinking of had Gina replying to it. so take it as you will. if you are so very worried, than don't do it? having multiple accounts is 100% fine. most people play them one at a time anyways, becasue with zero automation tools, its kind of a hassle to try playing them at the same time. i actualy do questing etc faster when I'm only focused on and logged into a single account at a time. playing them at the same time is where the gray area starts. and even within that gray area... how do you even tell? unless there is a use of botting and external software? you cannot. becasue in the end, there IS no unfair advantage there anymore than there is unfair advantage to playing lots of alts and maxing out your character slots.

I run several copies(accounts) of ESO .Group them.Stack at the center one by one of my farm circle.Then alt+tab on the first window which was killing mobs.After completing killing circle i alt+tab on 2d window and run by this circle to loot mobs.Then do it on window 3 and etc.I'm 100% know that was reported many times and have screenshots with chat where people whisper me about multiboxing/botting.
Since i do not use any programms/macros/software,have only 1 active(playing) account at the same time it's not multiboxing.ZOS told that i have advantage in loot.But i still need to run on each account by hands one by one to obtain it.

Ragebull · August 2018

Might be dangerous to punish, I can’t help but always assume people with multiplied accounts are some kind of crazy. I would legitimately fear for those players well being if they did get banned for it

Jayman1000 · August 2018

DocFrost72 wrote: »

If you are in group with your alternate account and kill one animal, then collect two seperate loot tables on the two accounts, you are, with intent, playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards.

I do not disagree that I would be playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards. But where in the TOS does it say that is prohibited? TOS states that you must not play multiple accounts simultaneously. What you describe is not simultaneous play.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Logging in on x amount of characters to collect hirelings is impossible to surpass what is possible through normal gameplay. In what situation besides intentionally multiboxing can you kill a mob once and get two loot tables?

That scenario has already been described to you. As long as you do not pass one input along to multiple characters, and as long as you are not simultaneously playing multiple characters, then you are not multiboxing. Hence it is very much possible, without multiboxing, to kill a mob once and get one loot table per character in the group.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Now, you may not agree that this should be against TOS, but it is, and if you do it you will be disciplined. If you are comfortable with that, go ahead

I have no opinion whether this should be allowed or not. Im only interested in debating the meaning of what is written in the TOS.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

By the way, there is no one at the keyboard when bots farm, but they are banned. Are bots against the TOS?

Bots are against TOS because any 3rd party automation is not allowed, hence they get banned because the accounts are being controlled by 3rd party automation. That this is prohibited is described as such in the TOS. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make with this last statement as botting is unrelated to this discussion.

Exstazik · August 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I do not disagree that I would be playing the system of the game in your favor to increase rewards. But where in the TOS does it say that is prohibited? TOS states that you must not play multiple accounts simultaneously. What you describe is not simultaneous play.

Well i ask support and still waiting for answers.As i can understand from ToS you can not get any advantage ;"any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax".But there is no answer what methods.Today it can be multiloot ,tomorrow can be hirelins,a week later animation canceling and that's why ZOS can ban players just for every action what they will call:"not authorized"

Epona222 · August 2018

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Exstazik · August 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

Epona222 · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

It isn't against ToS for me to have 3 accounts and level characters and get skill points on characters. It would be against ToS for me to play them at the same time. I am only ever logged in on one account at a time.

I asked Zeni before I bought additional accounts and was told it was ok, I even named the accounts similarly so there could be no accusations of subterfuge - Epona222 is my main account, my others are Epona223 and Epona224.

I didn't get additional accounts to get an advantage, I got additional accounts because I like to have a lot of different alts and builds and the original 8 character limit wasn't sufficient for me to enjoy myself. (I played TES3 Morrowind on around 20 characters over 7 years before getting around to doing the main quest on one of them, having multiple characters is how I enjoy TES games). If anything, it is a disadvantage - I have more characters to pay for horse training on for a start, there is less stuff I can sell because it will probably be useful for one of my characters.

As I have already said I only get hireling mails on around 8 characters because life is too short to spend all day relogging to get mostly rubbish.

If you think I'm cheating, please feel free to report me to Zenimax, I will be interested to hear how that goes for you

EDIT: ALSO I am unclear as to what advantage I have for hireling mails over you - you can get hireling mails on multiple characters too, if you are not that is not my problem in any way shape or form...

(Edited this again to remove a word that isn't considered bad here but might be a swear in the US, not sure but have replaced it with a synonym that I am almost certain is globally inoffensive just in case!)

starkerealm · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

CAN I MULTIBOX IN THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE? support article wrote:

Multiboxing is NOT allowed in The Elder Scrolls Online in any of its forms, whether software- or hardware-based. Any accounts found to be multiboxing will be considered in violation of our Terms of Service and actioned swiftly and decisively, up to the permanent deactivation of the account along with any other associated accounts. To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

Multiboxing is the practice of playing multiple accounts simultaneously, including, but not limited to using either hardware or software to facilitate the coordination between the accounts. This violates the intended nature of the gameplay mechanics we've created for ESO.

Fun Trivia: I once encountered a two cataracter multibox in Darkshade 2. No automation though, just two MMO mice (I think.) It resulted in a weird and extremely painful run.

Hokiewa · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Exstazik · August 2018

Hokiewa wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character. The terms of service can be read below for any further clarification.

starkerealm · August 2018

You can run multiple accounts. You can run dailies on each. Writs for example.

You want to log in on more than one at a time? You're on your own.

You want to automate an account? Enjoy your ban.

Epona222 · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character. The terms of service can be read below for any further clarification.

Right, let's just sort this out. How is having multiple accounts, or even multiple characters, allowing you to get things faster in game?

Have you never experienced loading screens in this game? It's faster to get stuff if you DON'T relog!

Exstazik · August 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

You can run multiple accounts. You can run dailies on each. Writs for example.

You want to log in on more than one at a time? You're on your own.

You want to automate an account? Enjoy your ban.

I'm at the same point of view.
But not all of the support team....so i'm waiting for the official response.

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character. The terms of service can be read below for any further clarification.

Right, let's just sort this out. How is having multiple accounts, or even multiple characters, allowing you to get things faster in game?

Have you never experienced loading screens in this game? It's faster to get stuff if you DON'T relog!

Log in on 10 accounts.Kill boss by one of them and get loot one by one on each account.

Epona222 · August 2018

Exstazik wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can run multiple accounts. You can run dailies on each. Writs for example.

You want to log in on more than one at a time? You're on your own.

You want to automate an account? Enjoy your ban.

I'm at the same point of view.
But not all of the support team....so i'm waiting for the official response.

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character. The terms of service can be read below for any further clarification.

Right, let's just sort this out. How is having multiple accounts, or even multiple characters, allowing you to get things faster in game?

Have you never experienced loading screens in this game? It's faster to get stuff if you DON'T relog!

Log in on 10 accounts.Kill boss by one of them and get loot one by one on each account.

You don't understand how kills and loot work, clearly.

If I kill a boss on 1 character I can loot it on that character. I cannot then log in on another character or account and loot the same boss.

Either you really don't understand how the game works, or you are trolling the forum. Because what you just suggested I am doing cannot happen, it simply isn't possible.

Mannix1958 · August 2018

So....in theory let's say one had multiple accounts. Is it not cheating to log into both...set up a duel? Kill said other account repeatedly for any dueling achievements. No automation involved. I am pretty sure this could be duplicated for other scenarios. I agree multiple account is not the issue. The real issue is being logged in with multiple accounts.

Edited for some clarification of my stand.

Epona222 · August 2018

Let me try to explain - all my characters are different. They do different things. If 1 character kills an enemy, that is just that 1 character that kills them, my other characters have not killed them and do not get to loot them.

In fact if I kill a boss on 1 character say in Banished Cells dungeon, then I relog to another character, that second character is not even in Banished Cells dungeon, they are in the bank where I left them.

They haven't killed the boss in Banished Cells, and ,most certainly cannot loot it.

If I wanted to loot the final boss of Banished Cells on 35 characters over 3 accounts, I would need to COMPLETE the entire Banished Cells dungeon once on each of those 35 characters - which I do not have time for, if I did I would not find enjoyable - and even if I grit my teeth and did that I would have earned every reward as I would have had to fight for it separately on each character

I think you are extremely confused about the difference between having more than 1 account and botting. There is a massive difference. Either that or you are deliberately trolling.

Exstazik · August 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can run multiple accounts. You can run dailies on each. Writs for example.

You want to log in on more than one at a time? You're on your own.

You want to automate an account? Enjoy your ban.

I'm at the same point of view.
But not all of the support team....so i'm waiting for the official response.

Epona222 wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I've now lost track of what this thread is about, what does animation cancelling have to do with it and when have Zeni said they were banning it? They haven't.

I have 3 accounts. I asked beforehand whether multiple accounts were allowed, and was told yes as long as they weren't played at the same time. If I want to spend ages levelling skills and earn enough skillpoints on up to 45 characters to get hireling mails and then spend 3 hours twice a day relogging to collect them all, that is my decision. I don't do that, because I'd be missing out on actually having any fun playing, I collect hireling mails on around 8 characters a day.

Thread about :Obtain items quicker then you could as a single character against TOS?
You have 3 accounts and it's ok.But your hirelings give you an advantage in mats and it's against ToS.(it's not my words ,it's ZOS)

I also have several accounts and before starting farming as i describe i ask support about it.The answer was:"it's clever use of game mechanics"Now it's "explotation of game resources".But the game mechanics work as indeed so it can not be "explotation".If ZOS called any action that could give you more virtual currency as "explotation",then they need to prevent it.
For my example they can disable group loot for any solo activity.
For hirelings they can make these mats bind for character.

That's not what support said at all, not remotely close (re: hirelings). You been grasping at straws and attempting to skirt the edges of what virtually everyone knows is against the rules in some attempt to justify what ZOS has already told you is not allowed.

Using multiple accounts can be considered " exploitation of in game resources" since its possible to obtain items quicker then you could as a single character. The terms of service can be read below for any further clarification.

Right, let's just sort this out. How is having multiple accounts, or even multiple characters, allowing you to get things faster in game?

Have you never experienced loading screens in this game? It's faster to get stuff if you DON'T relog!

Log in on 10 accounts.Kill boss by one of them and get loot one by one on each account.

You don't understand how kills and loot work, clearly.

If I kill a boss on 1 character I can loot it on that character. I cannot then log in on another character or account and loot the same boss.

Either you really don't understand how the game works, or you are trolling the forum. Because what you just suggested I am doing cannot happen, it simply isn't possible.

It's possible if you group all accounts

Exstazik · August 2018

Epona222 wrote: »

Let me try to explain - all my characters are different. They do different things. If 1 character kills an enemy, that is just that 1 character that kills them, my other characters have not killed them and do not get to loot them.

In fact if I kill a boss on 1 character say in Banished Cells dungeon, then I relog to another character, that second character is not even in Banished Cells dungeon, they are in the bank where I left them.

They haven't killed the boss in Banished Cells, and ,most certainly cannot loot it.

If I wanted to loot the final boss of Banished Cells on 35 characters over 3 accounts, I would need to COMPLETE the entire Banished Cells dungeon once on each of those 35 characters - which I do not have time for, if I did I would not find enjoyable - and even if I grit my teeth and did that I would have earned every reward as I would have had to fight for it separately on each character

I think you are extremely confused about the difference between having more than 1 account and botting. There is a massive difference. Either that or you are deliberately trolling.

That's why where the grey line starts.Logging=playing?

Salvas_Aren · August 2018

Zeni will never draw a line like that cause if they did half of the users would walk on it.