Is it in a realm of possibility that craft bag will be free one day? Or that's just too much to ask?

Lysette · August 2018

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MuddledMuppet wrote: »

I think basically we can all accept that an MMO needs regular income to maintain servers/content etc, so a 'free' option seems unviable for what many declare is their single biggest rerason for subscribing.

I can sympathise with those who previously spent their hard-earned on DLC when the ESO+ didn't appear to offer much incentive, but Zenimax did the the right thing imo by giving the craft bag as an extra to subs, what they haven't done well is allow some kind of monatizable option for non-subscribers, especially those who have previously spent a fortune and supported the game financially beyond the base game purchase.

Not sure if this can be done retrospectively, but one option could be a 'craft bag lite' for people who have previously spent X amount of crowns during their ESO lifetime. As has previously been suggested, perhaps one that holds one free stack per material, the amount of materials that have been added since launch makes any comparison to how we coped in the 'olden days' redundant.

Such a lite version could also be sold in crown store for same price as banker/merchant, maybe even a summonable character (maybe a mule )

Yes, people would still need to use bank space etc for the amount of mats needed to make 160 sets, but they aren't needed so frequently/simultaneously for that to be a serious problem.

This would be a nice compromise imo, there needs to remain something that rewards subscribers, but something needs to reflect how much the impact of the new materials since launch has effected the usefullness of bank/guild/horse space etc. I don't know how many materials/items have been added since launch, 5 times? 10? 50?

Something needs to be done, and somewhere out there is a compromise solution.

For the record I happily subscribe, I personally get more entertainment from ESO than a netflix/amazon prime subscription or any other entertainment medium I can think of.

You really expect them to add something what leads to those benefiting from it to cancel subscription?- Won't happen.

A company does things for people who are going to pay for stuff, not for those, who had paid in the past - there is not much to gain from them anymore.

asttreb17_ESO · August 2018

been asking for something similar like a wallet to put all my paper items in have 3 alts full of survey maps motifs and all those recipes provisioning and crafting. Even trying to sell theses trough guild stores or even giving away for free not worth sell to NPC's merchants

MuddledMuppet · August 2018

You really expect them to add something what leads to those benefiting from it to cancel subscription?- Won't happen.

A company does things for people who are going to pay for stuff, not for those, who had paid in the past - there is not much to gain from them anymore.

No, I dont expect that at all. I expect that a compomise solution is reachable tho, even if it differs from the suggested one. a compromise where the subscribers still maintain the worth of subscribing, but other options are available for those who don't, and yes, those second options should offer less.

As to the having paid in the past argument, I would suggest that it is perfectly reasonable for X crowns purchased to be enough to give a loyalty bonus, whatever X amount equals is another discussion.

What is to gain? People don't like feeling 'ripped off', especially so with changes made after the fact of purchasing. Was it predictable that so many materials etc would be added to the game that they would make the then current system of bank/guild bank/mules system increasingly a headache at best, and unmanagable at worst?

What would be gained is a comfort factor for customers who have put money into the game that spending money in the crown store isn't going to be rendered useless or at the very least the value of those purchases sent plummeting. I am sure you are aware that is a lot easier to drive someone to thinking 'screw it, I ain't spending another penny in the crown store' than it is to regain their loyalty and feeling that what they spent on was worth it.

A crown store craft bag lite wouldn't stop me subscribing, I am sure it won't stop most, we want the full monty

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2018

The moment ESO makes crafting bags free, even in some limited form, they would lose around 250k ESO plus subs instantly. Despite what some people say about supporting the game, the crafting bag is the main, and probably the only reason many people remain subbed.

So the answer to the question will crafting bags ever be free, is no, never.

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Lysette · August 2018

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

You really expect them to add something what leads to those benefiting from it to cancel subscription?- Won't happen.

A company does things for people who are going to pay for stuff, not for those, who had paid in the past - there is not much to gain from them anymore.

No, I dont expect that at all. I expect that a compomise solution is reachable tho, even if it differs from the suggested one. a compromise where the subscribers still maintain the worth of subscribing, but other options are available for those who don't, and yes, those second options should offer less.

As to the having paid in the past argument, I would suggest that it is perfectly reasonable for X crowns purchased to be enough to give a loyalty bonus, whatever X amount equals is another discussion.

What is to gain? People don't like feeling 'ripped off', especially so with changes made after the fact of purchasing. Was it predictable that so many materials etc would be added to the game that they would make the then current system of bank/guild bank/mules system increasingly a headache at best, and unmanagable at worst?

What would be gained is a comfort factor for customers who have put money into the game that spending money in the crown store isn't going to be rendered useless or at the very least the value of those purchases sent plummeting. I am sure you are aware that is a lot easier to drive someone to thinking 'screw it, I ain't spending another penny in the crown store' than it is to regain their loyalty and feeling that what they spent on was worth it.

A crown store craft bag lite wouldn't stop me subscribing, I am sure it won't stop most, we want the full monty

I bought Orsinium and Imperial city as well before they came out with the crafting bag - I was subscribed at that time and started to buy the DLCs, because ESO+ did not have much of an incentive before. Now there is the crafting bag and it is well worth it to subscribe. I could now as well complain about having bought those 2 DLCs in vain basically, because I will be a subscriber or I won't play at all - one of those, so no point in buying further DLCs. Things like that are normal - like I bought Morrowind Chapter and shortly after it was free with the Summerset Chapter - tough luck, I would say - but I do not expect them to compensate me for that. Same with buying crowns, you cannot complain if you buy at full price and a few days later is a crown sale happening - that is just tough luck. No one owes you anything just because you had tough luck.

Salvas_Aren · August 2018

Its not about complaining, its about providing incentives.

Using DLC access as a primary sales argument CANNOT work for people who have DLC access.

It would work perfectly fine if ppl got additional benefits for ESO+ combined with DLC purchases at a certain extent. Having free premium access to all the DLCs I bought is pointless, no matter what you say.

Blackleopardex · August 2018

I wonder if I get free food at the store if I send them a letter telling them I don't wanna pay for their food..

JKorr · August 2018

marc5477_ESO wrote: »

I get both sides of the argument but I dont buy the "losing subscription" argument. I think its actually very bad business and I want to say that this game has lost a lot more money from unhappy customers than it makes from using gimmicks to keep customers who love the game regardless. People who love the game will probably sub no matter what. You wont lose them over inventory. Inventory however will appeal to a new group of people, those who love to craft. Those people are much more important than most people think, because they are the lifeblood of a games economy.

Slick_007 wrote: »

marc5477_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the op. They need to add the bag and find other ways to make money because honestly, I cant see this game ever gaining more subs and I image it is still losing them.

and your solution to them losing subs is to REMOVE the main sub selling point?
you want it pay for it. as someone pointed out its as low as 50c a day. buy 1 less coffee per week and you're set.

Is it not a bit sad that this is the main reason for subs? As for the money argument, you should not throw money away just because you can. I have about $5k in expenses per month and bigger things to worry about. I dont want to manage another expense unless I absolutely love the service. But I am not just going to sign up for every offer that comes across my life because it is "cheap." I am no fool and coffee is definitely better than a video game unless said game is amazing.

The managers will do what they want but if I had a say, I would say this game needs more honey and inventory is a very small quality of life thing that would help. But honestly the problem is the ridiculous amount of loot. Its like I am playing D2 all over again...

Here is the bottom line. I just started last week. I generally love crafting and economy stuff. I wont do any of that in this game. Why? My current bank is full with 80 mats and I have another 30 more mats in my inventory. Not cool at all. I also found other issues that are vexing me... is this game level scaled? I dont remember it being that way in beta.

Gee. When the game released, the sub was mandatory. There was no inkling of a ghost of a hint that someday there would be a crafting bag. There was no crown store. Players had 8 character slots, and a account-wide bank. If you wanted more space, you had to earn the gold to go buy the inventory/bag space slots, and earn gold to buy bank space slots. It was [and is] a LOT of gold to max out the bank and EACH character's inventory. There was no alternative method of getting more space. It was and still is possible to do so without spending anything. More work and more effort in game, but still do-able.

While the smith/wood/clothing crafting might have been simpler then, provisioning wasn't. There was a huge number of ingredients needed for the different tiers of recipes. Revamping the provisioning system was a wonderful thing done after many complaints on the forums and /feedback in game.

For 2 years +, anyone who wanted to craft had to deal with the lack of space and do the inventory/bank/mule shuffle. I've done it. everyone else who wanted to craft back then did it. We survived. The craft bag is a good perk, but it isn't totally required to play the game. Your personal opinion is that coffee is better entertainment for you than a sub to the game.

Yes, with "One Tamriel", the whole game world is level scaled. People complained they wanted to roam everywhere instantly after creating a character.

MuddledMuppet · August 2018

Lysette wrote: »

I bought Orsinium and Imperial city as well before they came out with the crafting bag - I was subscribed at that time and started to buy the DLCs, because ESO+ did not have much of an incentive before. Now there is the crafting bag and it is well worth it to subscribe. I could now as well complain about having bought those 2 DLCs in vain basically, because I will be a subscriber or I won't play at all - one of those, so no point in buying further DLCs. Things like that are normal - like I bought Morrowind Chapter and shortly after it was free with the Summerset Chapter - tough luck, I would say - but I do not expect them to compensate me for that. Same with buying crowns, you cannot complain if you buy at full price and a few days later is a crown sale happening - that is just tough luck. No one owes you anything just because you had tough luck.

I agree with most of that, for example, I bought ESO initially on PC, then I switched to PS4, I had purchased soem DLC with my crowns from subscribing etc, and now I am back on PC. That was all my decision, and no, I don't expect any compensation.

The buying crowns before a sale factor, well most of us can predict with a reasonable degree of accuracy when sales will occur, I can't complain when buying xmas presents that after xmas same items are in a new years sale at half price.

We can agree to disagree tho, I feel a compromise solution is available if the will is there to find it, you don't

Lysette · August 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Its not about complaining, its about providing incentives.

Using DLC access as a primary sales argument CANNOT work for people who have DLC access.

It would work perfectly fine if ppl got additional benefits for ESO+ combined with DLC purchases at a certain extent. Having free premium access to all the DLCs I bought is pointless, no matter what you say.

I know, I have this with orisinium and Imperial city - I own them - so I basically paid double for it - once with the sale and once with the subscription. This is tough luck, like I said. There is always a chance, that ZOS will add something to ESO+, which will not benefit everyone. Or game enhancements, which are not of much worth to me - like costumes as level up gifts - I have those already, same with the horse, I had it already. But not ZOS is at fault here, but you, because you deem yourself entitled to be compensated for your tough luck, it was your decision to do it like that. Just live with it and forget about it.

Shantu · August 2018

A 6 month ESO+ costs about 43 cents per day. That's not even worth debating this issue. Pony up a little coin to support the company and get on with your life.

ktoutlaw80 · August 2018

The way i look at it is that the 15 dollars a month is two drinks at the bar when i go out. i also think the craft bag and all the other things you get for the sub are a great deal and is so worth it to me. i don't Zos will ever giving the craft bag for free sorry you feel the money is not worth it to you.

Salvas_Aren · August 2018

Lysette wrote: »

I know, I have this with orisinium and Imperial city - I own them - so I basically paid double for it - once with the sale and once with the subscription. This is tough luck, like I said. There is always a chance, that ZOS will add something to ESO+, which will not benefit everyone. Or game enhancements, which are not of much worth to me - like costumes as level up gifts - I have those already, same with the horse, I had it already. But not ZOS is at fault here, but you, because you deem yourself entitled to be compensated for your tough luck, it was your decision to do it like that. Just live with it and forget about it.

That is ridiculous bs. Don't transform my complaint about weak incentive into a complaint about injustice.

Weak arguments like that make me wanna smash some heads with a good old Kotler-Keller.

SilverWF · August 2018

Violynne wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Check this poll https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/428270/main-reason-you-sub-for-eso
and you'll find an answer by yourself

He did find it. His reply pretty much stated the sub wasn't worth it.

Seems he didn't, because he actually asking ZOS to get rid from most of their subs.

Even ih they would place Craft Bag in the Store for 10k crowns - this would be 1-time purchase and after that their income would been drastically lowered.
Less income - worse patches, longer time to fix bugs, decrease in stability, etc.

Malacthulhu · August 2018

Its only worth 50 cents a day then they can include it in the base game lol. That argument goes both ways. Just offer more discounts on things for subscribers and open up an account wide system for mounts etc based off your highest training and same with research etc. Do they really want to be like every other mmo that people subscribe to for inventory space? Thought they wanted to be different lol.

White wabbit · August 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Its weird i didn't get ESO+ for a craft bag at all.. Extra bank space and DLC sure, free dyes, this obsession over a craft bag is not the only reason i get ESO+...

If they made it free i'd still get ESO+ for heaps of other reasons..

Dyes I don't really care about the dlc is going down hill if you ask me, the bank space I'll give you but the craft bag is the biggest reason I sub

There was a heap of other reasons too read the ESO+ part in the Crown store the craft bag is only on aspect..

I know but the extra Exp when I have 12 toons maxed is really worth talking about , the extra gold again have millions of it , the crafting part I'm maxed so again not worth mentioning, so really it's only the craft bag that keeps me subbing ,

White wabbit · August 2018

radiostar wrote: »

That might be a good idea. If you buy the year's Chapter, you get the craft bag until the next Chapter comes out.

Hmmm I'm sure all those that sub buy the chapter so ZOS would lose all those subs , so don't see this as a great idea

frausty · August 2018

I can't say what I want to say in this post as it will be removed.

So I'll just add to the many comments and say that the original argument here holds zero water. If this was a legal argument it would not only be thrown out of court, the judge would probably have a heart attack from laughing so much.

ESO is free to play. End of. If you want the expansions, such as Summerset, then you really don't have to buy the $100 collector's edition, you could spend $30 instead. You have an inventory that you can choose to upgrade without the ESO+ craft bag.

Every player could play the game this way but quite simply there would be no game to play. The argument has no grounds at all from a financial or business perspective. There is no ESO without ESO+. Let's say just 100,000 people subscribe. That is gross revenue of $1.5m How much of that do you honestly believe is profit. Do you understand what it takes to keep the lights on for organisations like ZOS, never mind continually making the game better and creating new content? Let's say 1,000,000 subscribe so they make $15m. So what? Look at the financial statements and you'll see how much money they make - and this is a business, after all, it's not a 15-year-old kid in his bedroom creating an app for his mates to play.

ESO+ is not just about the craft bag but it is a big part of it. If it was just the crafting bag then very few people would subscribe because you can just buy storage. However, add it all up together, and even though most people are here for the bag, they get the benefit of the other perks as well and their $15 seems worthwhile.

What you are suggesting is the same as your favourite Pay TV service offering you everything but the programs you actually want to watch. I realise this is a tenuous link but to be honest I'm boring myself writing this post.

Put simply, remove the crafting bag, there is no ESO+ revenue ergo there is no ESO

I'm now going for a lie-down and then I'm going to count the 30000 Jute in my bag just for kicks

Lyss1991 · August 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I mean, in any MMO that isn't F2P, this is the case.
A good example is World of Warcraft. Not only do you have to buy the base game, but you also have to buy the expansion, as well as pay a subscription fee. On top of that, they also have a cash shop. Not really sure the point you're trying to make. Seems you're equating single-player games to MMOs. Can't use the same logic..
I find I get way more mileage from ESO than other B2P mmo's out there.

Hmm. Nope i'm not relating to single-player games. I'm relating more at games like GW2 let's say. U buy once. U're good to go. Unless u want some costumes or dlcs and such then it's alright. I don't see any illogical thoughts in my point. And my point was simple... why advertise your game as a B2P game when in reality it's more like a b2p + p2p (like WoW). Well i'm surprised you guys see it that way that it's normal to lock down such necessities like Craft Bag under a 15$ price tag. I kinda (after spending 400$) started looking at it as a very shady thing to do. I guess you love the game more then i do if you are defending it so much and seeing it as a completely normal thing to do oh welp. To each his own. But for me b2p must be b2p. Not some shady b2p and then realising it's actually p2p model. I'd still do some exceptions i guess. Let's say if the game would be flawless. Especially without any latency issues in PvP servers when they get crowded then i'd probably consider to keep dumping money further. But for now yea...

You have spent $400 on this game??

Thats cute. Lol.

Ive spent upwards of $1500 in 2 years. Ive subbed every month, Bought Houses, Mounts, Utilities, Race changes..I could go on and on.

THE CRAFT BAG WILL NEVER BE FREE. EVER. IT WILL NEVER NOT BE A PART OF THE SUB PERKS. EVER.

Either play the game and support it by paying $15 a month (I look at it like 50 cents a day, As someone else mentioned) or deal with the default inventory choices you have. Which btw, You can work with the default inventory if you know what youre doing. Make mules, Use your bank, You can even make a “dummy guild” and have another 500 slots that way. Im a hoarder. Im a crafter. My materials all get used from time to time. I donate training armor to my guildmates occasionally when they make new characters. I can make almost any food/drink in the game (missing 70 of the 559 total recipes in the game) I like the ease of having a craft bag so I dont have to scramble around looking for my materials or sorting my inventory. Not only that, But there are other perks..extra xp gain, extra gold gain, etc. PLUS you get 1500 crowns a month to spend on something you like in the store. That ALONE is worth $15, The rest are just added bonuses.

Moral of the story - Stop being CHEAP and pay for the sub, Or quit asking for something to be free when its worth more than what theyre already asking!

zaria · August 2018

frausty wrote: »

I can't say what I want to say in this post as it will be removed.

So I'll just add to the many comments and say that the original argument here holds zero water. If this was a legal argument it would not only be thrown out of court, the judge would probably have a heart attack from laughing so much.

ESO is free to play. End of. If you want the expansions, such as Summerset, then you really don't have to buy the $100 collector's edition, you could spend $30 instead. You have an inventory that you can choose to upgrade without the ESO+ craft bag.

Every player could play the game this way but quite simply there would be no game to play. The argument has no grounds at all from a financial or business perspective. There is no ESO without ESO+. Let's say just 100,000 people subscribe. That is gross revenue of $1.5m How much of that do you honestly believe is profit. Do you understand what it takes to keep the lights on for organisations like ZOS, never mind continually making the game better and creating new content? Let's say 1,000,000 subscribe so they make $15m. So what? Look at the financial statements and you'll see how much money they make - and this is a business, after all, it's not a 15-year-old kid in his bedroom creating an app for his mates to play.

ESO+ is not just about the craft bag but it is a big part of it. If it was just the crafting bag then very few people would subscribe because you can just buy storage. However, add it all up together, and even though most people are here for the bag, they get the benefit of the other perks as well and their $15 seems worthwhile.

What you are suggesting is the same as your favourite Pay TV service offering you everything but the programs you actually want to watch. I realise this is a tenuous link but to be honest I'm boring myself writing this post.

Put simply, remove the crafting bag, there is no ESO+ revenue ergo there is no ESO

I'm now going for a lie-down and then I'm going to count the 30000 Jute in my bag just for kicks

This, and send some jute to this one who only has 100 something. Can send some Alkahest as payment

pdebie64b16_ESO · August 2018

The craft bag is worth every penny and you get some other nice goodies for an ok price to.

If you want that craft bag just take that ESO+ sub and stop complaining for a free version.

Lyss1991 · August 2018

frausty wrote: »

I can't say what I want to say in this post as it will be removed.

So I'll just add to the many comments and say that the original argument here holds zero water. If this was a legal argument it would not only be thrown out of court, the judge would probably have a heart attack from laughing so much.

ESO is free to play. End of. If you want the expansions, such as Summerset, then you really don't have to buy the $100 collector's edition, you could spend $30 instead. You have an inventory that you can choose to upgrade without the ESO+ craft bag.

Every player could play the game this way but quite simply there would be no game to play. The argument has no grounds at all from a financial or business perspective. There is no ESO without ESO+. Let's say just 100,000 people subscribe. That is gross revenue of $1.5m How much of that do you honestly believe is profit. Do you understand what it takes to keep the lights on for organisations like ZOS, never mind continually making the game better and creating new content? Let's say 1,000,000 subscribe so they make $15m. So what? Look at the financial statements and you'll see how much money they make - and this is a business, after all, it's not a 15-year-old kid in his bedroom creating an app for his mates to play.

ESO+ is not just about the craft bag but it is a big part of it. If it was just the crafting bag then very few people would subscribe because you can just buy storage. However, add it all up together, and even though most people are here for the bag, they get the benefit of the other perks as well and their $15 seems worthwhile.

What you are suggesting is the same as your favourite Pay TV service offering you everything but the programs you actually want to watch. I realise this is a tenuous link but to be honest I'm boring myself writing this post.

Put simply, remove the crafting bag, there is no ESO+ revenue ergo there is no ESO

I'm now going for a lie-down and then I'm going to count the 30000 Jute in my bag just for kicks

I wish I could react to your post more than once! PERFECT EXPLANATION! *claps like im at a high school graduation*

marc5477_ESO · August 2018

frausty wrote: »

I can't say what I want to say in this post as it will be removed.

So I'll just add to the many comments and say that the original argument here holds zero water. If this was a legal argument it would not only be thrown out of court, the judge would probably have a heart attack from laughing so much.

ESO is free to play. End of. If you want the expansions, such as Summerset, then you really don't have to buy the $100 collector's edition, you could spend $30 instead. You have an inventory that you can choose to upgrade without the ESO+ craft bag.

Every player could play the game this way but quite simply there would be no game to play. The argument has no grounds at all from a financial or business perspective. There is no ESO without ESO+. Let's say just 100,000 people subscribe. That is gross revenue of $1.5m How much of that do you honestly believe is profit. Do you understand what it takes to keep the lights on for organisations like ZOS, never mind continually making the game better and creating new content? Let's say 1,000,000 subscribe so they make $15m. So what? Look at the financial statements and you'll see how much money they make - and this is a business, after all, it's not a 15-year-old kid in his bedroom creating an app for his mates to play.

ESO+ is not just about the craft bag but it is a big part of it. If it was just the crafting bag then very few people would subscribe because you can just buy storage. However, add it all up together, and even though most people are here for the bag, they get the benefit of the other perks as well and their $15 seems worthwhile.

What you are suggesting is the same as your favourite Pay TV service offering you everything but the programs you actually want to watch. I realise this is a tenuous link but to be honest I'm boring myself writing this post.

Put simply, remove the crafting bag, there is no ESO+ revenue ergo there is no ESO

I'm now going for a lie-down and then I'm going to count the 30000 Jute in my bag just for kicks

No game without subs? This has been proven wrong many times by not just gaming, but other industries as well. The key to succeeding however is to provide something that others do not like Costco services and Kirkland products, Amazon Prime perks, etc. Compare that to Walmart, Target & K-Mart. In this argument, ESO is basically Walmart pretending to be Amazon/Costco to justify subscription cost. Now obviously, Walmart and Target are no slouches, they are both doing well and making lots of money but they key to their success is they dont pretend to be something they are not... well Walmart tried, but it is failing at it (Sams Club is doing very poorly). ESO obviously, had similar issues so they went F2P at some point. But the point here is that it can work without subs a la Walmart and Target.

I appreciate your opinion of the game, you obviously love it but your money advise is very bad. This is a classic poor vs rich person argument. Pay because you love it or because you need it to live (primary needs), not because it is cheap. If you love ESO, then great, pay the sub and be happy. But if you are on the fence or you are considering paying just to relieve pain, then its better to drop the game entirely (this is a game, not a hernia). Hence why its bad business to do it this way. You lose a lot of good will.

DaveDom · August 2018

Lyss1991" wrote:

You have spent $400 on this game??

Thats cute. Lol.

Ive spent upwards of $1500 in 2 years. Ive subbed every month, Bought Houses, Mounts, Utilities, Race changes..I could go on and on.

THE CRAFT BAG WILL NEVER BE FREE. EVER. IT WILL NEVER NOT BE A PART OF THE SUB PERKS. EVER.

Either play the game and support it by paying $15 a month (I look at it like 50 cents a day, As someone else mentioned) or deal with the default inventory choices you have. Which btw, You can work with the default inventory if you know what youre doing. Make mules, Use your bank, You can even make a “dummy guild” and have another 500 slots that way. Im a hoarder. Im a crafter. My materials all get used from time to time. I donate training armor to my guildmates occasionally when they make new characters. I can make almost any food/drink in the game (missing 70 of the 559 total recipes in the game) I like the ease of having a craft bag so I dont have to scramble around looking for my materials or sorting my inventory. Not only that, But there are other perks..extra xp gain, extra gold gain, etc. PLUS you get 1500 crowns a month to spend on something you like in the store. That ALONE is worth $15, The rest are just added bonuses.

Moral of the story - Stop being CHEAP and pay for the sub, Or quit asking for something to be free when its worth more than what theyre already asking!

I actually suspected most of reactions will be like that. Like someone said above.. it's basically a poor vs. rich situation. Which is just half true. It's not sometimes about the money.. it's about the morals behind it. As i've said.. (even if i'd be a millionaire) i wouldn't support ZOS anymore. And the moral issue behind it is obvious. Supporting a company that kinda of forces their customers into a corner? That's the main issue i have with it. It's not like i've played 2-3 months and decided to quit. I've played 2-3 years so.. my opinion atleast has some value even tho as i can see now it's against all odds cuz of fanbois who will never understand the logic behind it. Well i'll say it again.. a simple example is gw2. No forcing into corners. No inventory "bans". And in the long run (from a bussiness stand point) they've probably gained more then they've lost. So.. idk. I wish i could understand why you are such an advocate for ZoS. How can you even say "worth more than what they're already asking". DIdnt u already waste 1500$ on a game? U think u still don't deserve craft bag after dumping that amount of $? How much u think u gotta dump until u'll be "worthy enough of a craft bag"? I guess the main issue is that ZoS planted this mentality into players like you that Craft Bag is something that's so so so so much valuable that we should be happy it's only 15$. Well i applaud for ZOS then. Easy to milk gullible people in the long run.

Sylvermynx · August 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

Lyss1991" wrote:

You have spent $400 on this game??

Thats cute. Lol.

Ive spent upwards of $1500 in 2 years. Ive subbed every month, Bought Houses, Mounts, Utilities, Race changes..I could go on and on.

THE CRAFT BAG WILL NEVER BE FREE. EVER. IT WILL NEVER NOT BE A PART OF THE SUB PERKS. EVER.

Either play the game and support it by paying $15 a month (I look at it like 50 cents a day, As someone else mentioned) or deal with the default inventory choices you have. Which btw, You can work with the default inventory if you know what youre doing. Make mules, Use your bank, You can even make a “dummy guild” and have another 500 slots that way. Im a hoarder. Im a crafter. My materials all get used from time to time. I donate training armor to my guildmates occasionally when they make new characters. I can make almost any food/drink in the game (missing 70 of the 559 total recipes in the game) I like the ease of having a craft bag so I dont have to scramble around looking for my materials or sorting my inventory. Not only that, But there are other perks..extra xp gain, extra gold gain, etc. PLUS you get 1500 crowns a month to spend on something you like in the store. That ALONE is worth $15, The rest are just added bonuses.

Moral of the story - Stop being CHEAP and pay for the sub, Or quit asking for something to be free when its worth more than what theyre already asking!

I actually suspected most of reactions will be like that. Like someone said above.. it's basically a poor vs. rich situation. Which is just half true. It's not sometimes about the money.. it's about the morals behind it. As i've said.. (even if i'd be a millionaire) i wouldn't support ZOS anymore. And the moral issue behind it is obvious. Supporting a company that kinda of forces their customers into a corner? That's the main issue i have with it. It's not like i've played 2-3 months and decided to quit. I've played 2-3 years so.. my opinion atleast has some value even tho as i can see now it's against all odds cuz of fanbois who will never understand the logic behind it. Well i'll say it again.. a simple example is gw2. No forcing into corners. No inventory "bans". And in the long run (from a bussiness stand point) they've probably gained more then they've lost. So.. idk. I wish i could understand why you are such an advocate for ZoS. How can you even say "worth more than what they're already asking". DIdnt u already waste 1500$ on a game? U think u still don't deserve craft bag after dumping that amount of $? How much u think u gotta dump until u'll be "worthy enough of a craft bag"? I guess the main issue is that ZoS planted this mentality into players like you that Craft Bag is something that's so so so so much valuable that we should be happy it's only 15$. Well i applaud for ZOS then. Easy to milk gullible people in the long run.

Uh. I spent a lot more in WoW (8 years, 7 accounts) and RIFT (3 years, 5 accounts) than that - and didn't get as much for the monthly sub though yes, I got the fun. And of course, the bag wasn't a thing in either of those games.

I really think you need to consider how much money your fun (and its "additives" like the bag) are worth to you. The monthly fee isn't that bad. In fact.... that's a couple drinks on Friday night. Or a carton of cigs. A movie and popcorn. If those are worth more than the game, well....

Ahnog · August 2018

I like ESO plus for the crafting bag and DLC. I also like the idea of supporting a project I believe in. Still getting off cheap compared to other forms of recreation.

radiostar · August 2018

White wabbit wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

That might be a good idea. If you buy the year's Chapter, you get the craft bag until the next Chapter comes out.

Hmmm I'm sure all those that sub buy the chapter so ZOS would lose all those subs , so don't see this as a great idea

If the real moneymaker of the game is 1) Box sales (why they scream about the millions of accounts) and 2) Crown sales (why they prioritize the CS), then yeah it could be a great idea.

Path · August 2018

Again? Really?
Just sub. Support a game you play.

Kaartinen · August 2018

Well, if it was free I would never subscribe again.

White wabbit · August 2018

radiostar wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

That might be a good idea. If you buy the year's Chapter, you get the craft bag until the next Chapter comes out.

Hmmm I'm sure all those that sub buy the chapter so ZOS would lose all those subs , so don't see this as a great idea

If the real moneymaker of the game is 1) Box sales (why they scream about the millions of accounts) and 2) Crown sales (why they prioritize the CS), then yeah it could be a great idea.

The subs are a steady income which I think zos know, so why would you upset that income flow