Is it in a realm of possibility that craft bag will be free one day? Or that's just too much to ask?

Ackwalan · July 2018

Someday, when ESO no longer gets any kind of updates, I'm sure it will end up on the crown store.

NickStern · July 2018

Sell a craft bag for 10k crowns that holds 1 stack of each craft material.
ESO Plus remains unlimited and doubles the harvest of all materials.
That should make everyone happy.

Slick_007 · July 2018

marc5477_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the op. They need to add the bag and find other ways to make money because honestly, I cant see this game ever gaining more subs and I image it is still losing them.

and your solution to them losing subs is to REMOVE the main sub selling point?
you want it pay for it. as someone pointed out its as low as 50c a day. buy 1 less coffee per week and you're set.

frausty · July 2018

I just don't get this argument that the crafting bag should be free. This is an MMO game that is constantly evolving and getting people to subscribe is the only way to fund this as it guarantees an income that the developers can depend on - they will know what that baseline income is based on trends, events etc.

For people that choose to support the development of the game regularly they need a range of perks that make it worth their while - this is a simple quid pro quo operation and is the same in almost every subscription environment whether game related or not.

If you don't think 1500 crowns, free DLC, crafting bag, double bank space, faster XP gains and the occasional free crown crates are worth the subscription fee which in turn supports game development and content then I wish you well but in my opinion I think that this is fair to people that choose to pay. It's like saying that I should get the sports package free from my TV/media/internet provider because I pay for their internet connection - how do the sports providers then pay for the tv rights?

Personally, I think it would be the end of ESO+ if the crafting bag was anything other than a subscription perk.

Just my two cents worth.

Lysette · July 2018

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Sure, make the craft bag free, but ESO + subscriber's craft bag inventory should double every item picked up.

Interesting suggestion.

Lysette · July 2018

It is beside me, that so many have a problem with subscription. If you go to billards and rent a snooker table for an hour you will be paying like what?- 24 dollars, for 1 hour entertainment - with ESO+ you get 2 months of entertainment for the same price. So where is the relation to complain about here?- It is entertainment and a cheap one at it. Of course this adds up over the years - like any other entertainment, which you are enjoying long term does as well.

BRogueNZ · July 2018

Lysette wrote: »

It is beside me, that so many have a problem with subscription. If you go to billards and rent a snooker table for an hour you will be paying like what?- 24 dollars, for 1 hour entertainment - with ESO+ you get 2 months of entertainment for the same price. So where is the relation to complain about here?- It is entertainment and a cheap one at it. Of course this adds up over the years - like any other entertainment, which you are enjoying long term does as well.

Its value for money, no doubt, they made it so. Even more if you make the most of it and clean out the dlc zones while its active. for some, like me its only the craft bag I sub for, the rest is just a thank you for your purchase.

Aside from that there are plenty of people who see little expenses like this, small amounts of essentially compulsive/unnecessary spending and don't bat an eye lid, yet a months worth of coffee or eso could save them a lot of the cost of the credit they have for the more expensive things they didn't actually need. I bet they would plead poverty if asked to donate regularly to a charity though.

SergeantJinx · July 2018

Sorry but I disagree with you, £9.99 a month is very cheap, it's not just the craft bag it's the dlc and crowns you get, double bank and housing space. I really can't believe you quit the game because of this.

sevomd69 · July 2018

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Crafting bag doesn't need to be free, but it DOES need to be available for sale in the Crown Store.

I don't care if it's 10K crowns, it needs to be there to finally make things right for DLC purchasers who were deceived when "Tamriel Unlimited" launched!

Yes, it's also far too big an influence on the ESO Plus subscription decision. There needs to be more than "one single reason" to subscribe, but that is all there is. Everything else is too small a benefit or temporary while subscribed.

If they actually moved the craft bag to the crown store then they could finally make ESO Plus more worth paying for and actually get more subscribers.
For example, I'm perfectly fine just not subscribing and being very frugal with my crafting to avoid the inventory issues of not having a craft bag. I can do without the "necessary purchase" hanging over my head.

Actually all the perks are only active while subscribed...

JKorr · July 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I mean, in any MMO that isn't F2P, this is the case.
A good example is World of Warcraft. Not only do you have to buy the base game, but you also have to buy the expansion, as well as pay a subscription fee. On top of that, they also have a cash shop. Not really sure the point you're trying to make. Seems you're equating single-player games to MMOs. Can't use the same logic..
I find I get way more mileage from ESO than other B2P mmo's out there.

Hmm. Nope i'm not relating to single-player games. I'm relating more at games like GW2 let's say. U buy once. U're good to go. Unless u want some costumes or dlcs and such then it's alright. I don't see any illogical thoughts in my point. And my point was simple... why advertise your game as a B2P game when in reality it's more like a b2p + p2p (like WoW). Well i'm surprised you guys see it that way that it's normal to lock down such necessities like Craft Bag under a 15$ price tag. I kinda (after spending 400$) started looking at it as a very shady thing to do. I guess you love the game more then i do if you are defending it so much and seeing it as a completely normal thing to do oh welp. To each his own. But for me b2p must be b2p. Not some shady b2p and then realising it's actually p2p model. I'd still do some exceptions i guess. Let's say if the game would be flawless. Especially without any latency issues in PvP servers when they get crowded then i'd probably consider to keep dumping money further. But for now yea...

um...Have you looked at the fun system that is "bags" for GW2? https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag and there appears to be a limit as to how many you can have:

Free to play accounts start with 3 bag slots and can unlock a 4th with gems. Core and HoT accounts start with 5 bag slots and can unlock 5 more with gems.
The Path of Fire expansion introduced new 24-slot, 28-slot, and 32-slot ascended bags to be acquired through crafting.
With the October 17, 2017, update, the limit of bags per character has been raised by two for a total of 10 (previously 8)

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Bags

For a hobby/fun/enjoyable thing to do, 50 cents a day is a price I'm willing to pay.

Violynne · July 2018

I don't believe we'll ever see the craft bag being made free to players. It's the only incentive to the sub. Without it, ESO+ has no other value for me, and it still upsets me my contributions are going towards the creation of random loot crates.

That said, I do believe ZoS needs to open the limits on the bank for new players, at least until they hit level 50. 500 slots would be more than sufficient to compensate for the ever expanding items this game keeps throwing at them, and no place to store it.

Crafting mats alone take up space quickly, and now with the ultimate stupidity of motif pages, and not having the level to read them (and cannot risk throwing away), new players are struggling with inventory management.

I would never continue with ESO if I started this game today.

White wabbit · July 2018

Once that craft bag goes in the crown store is the day my sub ends , most of the people I know that sub is due to the craft bag

supaskrub · July 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

As the title goes... i basically quitted cuz of this.. now bare with me.

I think we all love b2p mmos cuz of the quality of the games compared to f2p mmos. But to me b2p always meant "buy once and enjoy" (unless ofcz DLCs). So now after like 2 n a half years of playing ESO i've realised how much money i actually spent on it. And ofcz quickly i realised it's faaaaaaar from a b2p game. I guess it's more like a b2p/p2p mix. Math is quite simple i suppose. 20-40$ for a base game (depending on which edition u buy) and then i probably paid like 24-26 months of ESO plus.. So that's roughly like 400$ in total. Now.. does that sound like a buy once and enjoy game to u? And of course i quickly realised how much of a pain it is to play when u don't have ESO plus (or more like a Craft bag plus..). Lots of people i knew basically paid those 15$ just for the craft bag not for DLC or any other perks. I understand the logic to put certain convenience items for a price.. but to me Craft bag seems more like a necessity not just a "convenience". I'm quite sure ZOS could make up that money from some other sources like costumes etcetc but atleast lots more people would play the game instead of quittin. Any other b2p mmo is lot more user-friendly. Most of em are just buy once and enjoy the game.. But does ESO fall in that category too? So yeah.. Isit even possible that one day it'll be a default? Or that's just way too much to ask? Too much to ask even tho people bought the game already and supported you for quite long time? I think we all love this game (even tho it has some issues with latency especially in PvP) and we'd like to carry on playing.. but for me it was a no-no when i sat down did the math and realised how much money i actually have to spend on a "b2p" game just for that dang crafting bag to be available. Food for thought (looking at ZOS) ^^

ZOS will NEVER give away their crown jewel...

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · July 2018

Honestly a high percentage of players would drop the sub without this being a bonus.

neverwalk · July 2018

After paying Zos for 3 years of ESO+, i think there should be a token you can buy from crown store that unlocks your locked ESO+ bag for 2 hours to pull all mats into your craft bag then re-locks it again. I'd pay 300 crowns to unlock my craft bag for 2 hours. Tired of paying $95.94 canadian 2 times a year.

DanteYoda · July 2018

Its weird i didn't get ESO+ for a craft bag at all.. Extra bank space and DLC sure, free dyes, this obsession over a craft bag is not the only reason i get ESO+...

If they made it free i'd still get ESO+ for heaps of other reasons..

White wabbit · July 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Its weird i didn't get ESO+ for a craft bag at all.. Extra bank space and DLC sure, free dyes, this obsession over a craft bag is not the only reason i get ESO+...

If they made it free i'd still get ESO+ for heaps of other reasons..

Dyes I don't really care about the dlc is going down hill if you ask me, the bank space I'll give you but the craft bag is the biggest reason I sub

Clansman2013 · July 2018

If they ever gave this away for free, then they would have to introduce something amazing for ESO+ accounts as it's the reason a large majority subscribe.

radiostar · July 2018

Long ago there was an announcement the bag would be free in the base game, maybe on the PTS or something. Then they reversed it.

Instead of a limitless mat bag like the Plus version, just make a semi-limitless version for the CS. Have it hold stacks of 500 or 1K of crafting materials only, sell it for 3000 or 5000 crowns (like motifs).

Universe · July 2018

After you will spend 20,000 crowns to purchase it, yes it will be free!

Marginis · July 2018

Monetization methods are always contentious, but so long as I don't have to open a crate for a chance to have craft bag access I'm good.

moonio · July 2018

You can always buy a storage trunk thing with crowns and put it in your free apartment home.

Also remember that the people who do sub and buy things from the crown store effectively allow other players to play for free..

OGLezard · July 2018

You dont have to buy things from the store and you dont have to pay the sub. The base game is free and just got battlegrounds included in it.....

I have been paying a sub since before b2p conversion.

So my opinion, no. It shouldn't be given away for free. I pay a sub for it so should everyone else who wants it

Marginis · July 2018

OGLezard wrote: »

You dont have to buy things from the store and you dont have to pay the sub. The base game is free and just got battlegrounds included in it.....

I have been paying a sub since before b2p conversion.

So my opinion, no. It shouldn't be given away for free. I pay a sub for it so should everyone else who wants it

But then couldn't you also get it for free and then you wouldn't have to pay for a sub? Alternatively, ZOS could add something in the craft bag's place to ESO+, maybe even making ESO+ more worth it while also benefiting non-subscribers. It's not like you're losing out on something just because someone else is gaining something.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2018

Take whatever $ amount you've paid out.
Divide that by the number of hours you've played the game.
Realize how absurd your request is.
/thread

dennissomb16_ESO · July 2018

With no facts to back this up I would estimate that at least 50% of the player base that presently have ESO+ would cancel if they got the crafting bag for free.

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

It's absolutely not too much to ask for. It should be free and it's absolute nonsense that people who pay hundreds of dollars for content/crowns are being squeezed for a monthly membership. I'm one of those people. I've bought two chapter Collector's Editions and 21,000 crowns over the last year and a half.

I had to spend 11,000 crowns to get a storage solution going so I wasn't paying $15 for the membership when I owned the DLCs outright. I can't believe that people playing an Elder Scrolls MMO think that this is remotely acceptable. ZOS has burned all good will I had for the game because every time I spend money the way I want to play the game, I devalue their membership option.

Gating an acceptable crafting system behind a monthly membership is some bad free2play game bull****... Bad is the keyword there because Guild Wars 2, their competition does material deposits straight to bank anywhere in the game for free.

VaranisArano · July 2018

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

It's absolutely not too much to ask for. It should be free and it's absolute nonsense that people who pay hundreds of dollars for content/crowns are being squeezed for a monthly membership. I'm one of those people. I've bought two chapter Collector's Editions and 21,000 crowns over the last year and a half.

I had to spend 11,000 crowns to get a storage solution going so I wasn't paying $15 for the membership when I owned the DLCs outright. I can't believe that people playing an Elder Scrolls MMO think that this is remotely acceptable. ZOS has burned all good will I had for the game because every time I spend money the way I want to play the game, I devalue their membership option.

Gating an acceptable crafting system behind a monthly membership is some free2play bull****

You didn't have to spend anything, honestly. You could put up with storage problems. You could do what I've done since I don't subscribe either: getting housing storage with writs, bank storage with gold, and make a mule character or two. No crowns required.

I get the frustration, really, but you didn't have to buy anything. Personally, I've managed to get on fine without the Crafting Bag and just the in-game options for storage.

OneWarlord001 · July 2018

Go to the sewers and grind tel var for storage units for your houses. No bag. No storage issues. Design a character for holding stuff and max out his carrying abilities. Upgrade the horse also.

ZeroXFF · July 2018

I'm buying every DLC since the moment I started playing ESO. It's not like I end up paying much less than the ESO+ subscribers in the end. I also bought the mobile banker and merchant for a hefty amount of crowns. And I intend to continue buying all DLCs for as long as I'm playing the game, because I want to be "up to date", and I don't want to be locked out of content if I decide to take a break and come back later. And as long as I'm playing and buying all DLCs, I don't see a good reason to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

Maybe an alternative to getting the ESO+ sub for the craft bag would be giving access to it to everyone who purchased the latest DLC, until the next DLC is released. Since people buying all DLCs are effectively subscribers too, it would achieve the same result without punishing people who prefer the b2p model. Since it's still cheaper in the end than actually buying a sub, it's ok not having all the benefits (double bank space, exp boost, extra crates during events etc), but the craft bag would be a big QoL improvement allowing me to spend more time actually playing the game rather than moving around crafting mats to my mules.