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Stam DK is underpowered in PVP!
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoHonestly if it had an instant-cast spammable it would probably be my main. StamDKs are incredibly well equipped. I just can't stand using Uppercut or Flurry. Sucks stamina weapon spammables are terrible in this game.
U don't get it.
Use heroic slash, everything else is weaker for stamdk.
Light attack -> heroic slash -> bash. Repeat.
You don't get it. Not everyone wants to use SnB.4 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesHonestly if it had an instant-cast spammable it would probably be my main. StamDKs are incredibly well equipped. I just can't stand using Uppercut or Flurry. Sucks stamina weapon spammables are terrible in this game.
U don't get it.
Use heroic slash, everything else is weaker for stamdk.
Light attack -> heroic slash -> bash. Repeat.
You don't get it. Not everyone wants to use SnB.
Don't argue with him, its pointless
As far as stamina DK in the current meta goes, the real issue is that stamina Dk relies too much on dots, and the lack of direct damage abilities+damage oriented passives, makes it too punishing to fight outnumbered because it takes too long to kill people that aren't braindead.
Two very easy things would totally fix this though:
1. better passives (Seriously, no poison synergies? no point to go swamp raider or morag tong on stamDk... what a shame man..)
2. Some sort of direct damage ability to combine with d. swing-leap combo, like a stam whip or stam deep breath, just something to use.Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 28, 2018 11:47PM5 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the changes with JC/wings. They all have glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.Edited by ak_pvp on July 29, 2018 8:33PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.4 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭YesTwohothardware wrote: »StamSorc is dead in PVP, at least in Cyrodiil, on PS4. I see a good number of StamDK's but StamNB and Magicka classes dominate the majority.
Not on Xbox. I can't remember the last time a Venomous Claw or Noxious Breath was in my death recap, (definitely hasn't been since Summerset was released) but I most definitely died to multiple stam sorcs just today alone. They synergize too well with bleed builds and are much more inhernently tanky than stam dks in PVP.2 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭YesStam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.1 -
amir412✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesTo be honest, its underpowered. The clunky feel when 1 vs x and try to put ur dots in the lag is killing me.Edited by amir412 on July 29, 2018 4:48AM0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesIve never played a dk. I understand what their skills do but my buddy main since launch is a dk and he shelved it finally for a nb.0 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.Edited by Revokus on July 29, 2018 6:47AMPlaying since January 23, 20161 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭YesStam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
Open world it underperforms. Damage is fine but sustains is clunky and the class is either forced to heavily abuse block or to simply die.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.
Ever tried solo Magden? As in pure solo, not zerg surfing. Strict 1v1, 1vx. It sucks.Edited by IAVITNI on July 29, 2018 4:05PM1 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
Open world it underperforms. Damage is fine but sustains is clunky and the class is either forced to heavily abuse block or to simply die.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.
Ever tried solo Magden? As in pure solo, not zerg surfing. Strict 1v1, 1vx. It sucks.
I play in a duo and we manage to get plenty of 2vX fights killing sometime 15+ people before we get zerged down. I don't do zerg surfing unless the zerg happens to be there and we are going to a fort or ressource. But yeah solo magden is not the best. But my build is support oriented and can dps quite a lot too and super tanky. But Master ice staff makes a big difference it's really good.Playing since January 23, 20161 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭YesStam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
Open world it underperforms. Damage is fine but sustains is clunky and the class is either forced to heavily abuse block or to simply die.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.
Ever tried solo Magden? As in pure solo, not zerg surfing. Strict 1v1, 1vx. It sucks.
I play in a duo and we manage to get plenty of 2vX fights killing sometime 15+ people before we get zerged down. I don't do zerg surfing unless the zerg happens to be there and we are going to a fort or ressource. But yeah solo magden is not the best. But my build is support oriented and can dps quite a lot too and super tanky. But Master ice staff makes a big difference it's really good.
I've been wanting to test Master ice Staff just don't know if farming vDSA again is worth it. For fun, I actually wanted to try Master Fire front bar and Ice backbar for the root and CC lol.
Do you run a CC at all?0 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
Open world it underperforms. Damage is fine but sustains is clunky and the class is either forced to heavily abuse block or to simply die.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.
Ever tried solo Magden? As in pure solo, not zerg surfing. Strict 1v1, 1vx. It sucks.
I play in a duo and we manage to get plenty of 2vX fights killing sometime 15+ people before we get zerged down. I don't do zerg surfing unless the zerg happens to be there and we are going to a fort or ressource. But yeah solo magden is not the best. But my build is support oriented and can dps quite a lot too and super tanky. But Master ice staff makes a big difference it's really good.
I've been wanting to test Master ice Staff just don't know if farming vDSA again is worth it. For fun, I actually wanted to try Master Fire front bar and Ice backbar for the root and CC lol.
Do you run a CC at all?
I use Permafrost to counter attack and Master Ice staff frost reach roots. I find a root is sometimes even better than a hard cc it's really underrated imo roots can be the most annoying thing ever lol.
But here is the build video I have tons of fun with this build and love it so much. kuddos to the guy who made it.
https://youtu.be/hliDlLBwiRY Edited by Revokus on July 29, 2018 5:07PMPlaying since January 23, 20160 -
IAVITNI✭✭✭✭✭YesStam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
Open world it underperforms. Damage is fine but sustains is clunky and the class is either forced to heavily abuse block or to simply die.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Stam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
I'd put Magplar and StamDK on magden level. StamDK maybe a little higher since the change Glaring class issues that can't be patchworked with the latest meta the like that MagDK can with staffs/shields or stamplar/sorc bleed builds.
For stamDK its not about being an OP montser, its more that to get rid of that OP monster they threw nerfs (in the form of both direct, an at a wall until it hit, and when the dust cleared. stand your ground builds, and entire playstyle that stamDK used was, and I say quite honestly, dead. Only stamden which is overtuned all around can pull it off whilst maintaining damage.
I understood that 1 person being effectively immortal was unfair, but they should have kept a small amount of decent per person scaling (old block ticking 2/s vs 4/s) so they don't just melt. For some reason kiting vs X and cloaking/hiding vs X and then killing them is fine. But tanking vs X and killing them is bad.
Magden is fine in PVP. It's much stonger than stamden in PVP fwiw, as I have and use both.
Stam DK and Magplar, however, are most definitely at the bottom of the PVP barrel currently; just as Mag Sorc and Stam NB are still way too OP. Every other class is pretty much balanced.
I agree Magden is awesome in pvp anyone saying the contrary just doesn't know how to build and use the class properly. I play in a duo with a stamina friend most of the time and it's doing wonders. Altough I admit the lack of a finisher and a class cc without the bear isn't really helping anyone for solo play it could use some buffs in that departement.
Ever tried solo Magden? As in pure solo, not zerg surfing. Strict 1v1, 1vx. It sucks.
I play in a duo and we manage to get plenty of 2vX fights killing sometime 15+ people before we get zerged down. I don't do zerg surfing unless the zerg happens to be there and we are going to a fort or ressource. But yeah solo magden is not the best. But my build is support oriented and can dps quite a lot too and super tanky. But Master ice staff makes a big difference it's really good.
I've been wanting to test Master ice Staff just don't know if farming vDSA again is worth it. For fun, I actually wanted to try Master Fire front bar and Ice backbar for the root and CC lol.
Do you run a CC at all?
I use Permafrost to counter attack and Master Ice staff frost reach roots. I find a root is sometimes even better than a hard cc it's really underrated imo roots can be the most annoying thing ever lol.
But here is the build video I have tons of fun with this build and love it so much. kuddos to the guy who made it.https://youtu.be/hliDlLBwiRY
No CC but heavy snares actually makes a lot of sense since the class lacks a consistent burst. A very interesting build. Might try to adapt it for solo. Honeslty, if they made bear only require 1 slot, magden might be a lot more viable in PvP.
ANYWAYS, so uhm sDK. ya buff that lol. Sorry to derail thread.1 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesIf StamDK is going to be the class that relies on pressure rather than burst for kills then it needs a class based hard snare or CC that's Stamina based. Petrify is good but you can't sustain a Magicka attack in your rotation on top of all the other Magicka skills the StamDK has to cast for defense.
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usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoStam DK really just needs to the introduction of the following food -
Max Stam + Stam Regen + Mag Regen
Stam DK has some of the best magicka skills available to it but has almost no way to use it without Shacklebreaker.0331
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yesusmcjdking wrote: »Stam DK really just needs to the introduction of the following food -
Max Stam + Stam Regen + Mag Regen
Stam DK has some of the best magicka skills available to it but has almost no way to use it without Shacklebreaker.
Value of abilities are decided by their cost effectiveness. Dk abilities have very high costs, buuut adding a special food will not solve the issue. Classes like stamden or stamblade can simply benefit just as much as you do from this, and as a result you will end up at the same spot. (besides, there is already a food with max hp- stam reg- mag regen. Yes max stam ends up too low, No I would not prefer a max stam version, hp gets too low.)Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 30, 2018 2:57AM2 -
LegendaryMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭usmcjdking wrote: »Stam DK really just needs to the introduction of the following food -
Max Stam + Stam Regen + Mag Regen
Stam DK has some of the best magicka skills available to it but has almost no way to use it without Shacklebreaker.
You can go with max hp + all 3 recoveries in the meantime. The damage will be a bit lower but since stam return from earthen and redguard's adrenaline rush are now giving fixed values, your sustain won't suffer that much, you'll just have one less stam cast in your tank before going out.1 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesTell me guys, what is stamDK good at? I am now asking specificaly about battlegrounds.
Stamsorc is a lot better at DoT builds.
Stamwarden is a lot better at bruiser builds.
StamNB is a lot better at sniping and hit-n-run builds.
So tell me one reason outside of cool looking DK spells to play DK over any other stamclass.Edited by Olupajmibanan on July 30, 2018 4:21PM4 -
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✭✭YesStam DK- alongside Stamplar, Stam Sorc, Mag DK, and Magplar are in a relatively balanced state. Nightblade and mag sorc are both overtuned one way or another, and mag warden under performs.
Stam DKs issue is that it lacks flavor and feels kinda generic in comparison to other specs that have a bit more of a flourish. It’s not an issue of it underperforming. Class is still one of if not the tankiest class in the game, and anything that can slap on fury and seventh will have great damage.
The problem some stam DKs have is accepting that their class isn’t the absolutely broken heavy armor monsters the class was for a long long time yesteryear.
a class that has no benefit from its own passives it's not in a good spot. With a stam DK you can block and... Sure there are some passives that help you in some situations, but are just that, situationals. Compare any cost reduction or resource increase passive with DK passives and you will see why is on a bad spot.
And even worst, the passives have been nerfed again.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭NoStam DK is pretty good. I think it’s pretty balanced and the issue is that some other builds really aren’t.
Stam Sorc is phenomenal, ridiculously slept on. Have you tried putting meditate and race against time on your overload bar?
It's really sad how slept on StamSorc is. I never found a solid build for it. But kudos to those who have.Twohothardware wrote: »StamSorc is dead in PVP, at least in Cyrodiil, on PS4. I see a good number of StamDK's but StamNB and Magicka classes dominate the majority.
@Shokasegambit1 Still plays their StamSorc. They saved my butt on a handful of occasions
TgSinner also plays StamSorc. Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on July 30, 2018 5:04PM0 -
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✭✭YesTwohothardware wrote: »StamSorc is dead in PVP, at least in Cyrodiil, on PS4. I see a good number of StamDK's but StamNB and Magicka classes dominate the majority.
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TheMystid✭✭✭YesDKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.Edited by TheMystid on July 30, 2018 6:29PMPC EU
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✭I'm genuinely curious about what platforms, PvP modes, and numbers of actual hours (if any) played on their sDKs (in total and recently) the people who voted "no" play.
Where I play (PC EU Sotha Sil), we aren't many, borderline extinct.
Our toolkit compared to other stam classes is just subpar, and to say "we're fine, it's just some other classes that aren't balanced" - I mean, that sounds very casuistical, to be honest.
PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoDKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.
Those DK´s was so heavily carried by sets it was ridiculous, many of those sets had bugs that could carry even the worst player to become gods. So no ty, I don´t want to go back there1 -
TheMystid✭✭✭YesDKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.
Those DK´s was so heavily carried by sets it was ridiculous, many of those sets had bugs that could carry even the worst player to become gods. So no ty, I don´t want to go back there
I'm clearly talking about Dk's pre-Morrowind passives, which at least gave us an identity, not about pre-morrowind set (e. g. Blackrose, that is dead anyway by now) or CP (e.g. the removed 20% cost reduction).PC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭NoDKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.
Those DK´s was so heavily carried by sets it was ridiculous, many of those sets had bugs that could carry even the worst player to become gods. So no ty, I don´t want to go back there
I'm clearly talking about Dk's pre-Morrowind passives, which at least gave us an identity, not about pre-morrowind set (e. g. Blackrose, that is dead anyway by now) or CP (e.g. the removed 20% cost reduction).
7th Legion (numerous bugs), Barkskin (didn´t have a cooldown at a certain point), Malubeth (made all heals ignore battlespirit when it procced). Befoul CP tree increased heal as well (nasty bug). I can go on with more sets and CP bugs that benefitted DK´s but those I mentioned was heavily used by many stamDK´s and carried them extremely hard.Edited by Qbiken on July 30, 2018 7:03PM2 -
TheMystid✭✭✭YesDKs should be what they used to be pre-Morrowind (Homestead in particular): able to build for max resources, never relying on proc set.
This was their identity. It is nornal and rightfull for anyone who intensively played stamdk that period to feel underwhelmed by the class.
Those who vote no either don't know the feeling or just feel good with viper+sload's dk.
Those DK´s was so heavily carried by sets it was ridiculous, many of those sets had bugs that could carry even the worst player to become gods. So no ty, I don´t want to go back there
I'm clearly talking about Dk's pre-Morrowind passives, which at least gave us an identity, not about pre-morrowind set (e. g. Blackrose, that is dead anyway by now) or CP (e.g. the removed 20% cost reduction).
7th Legion (numerous bugs), Barkskin (didn´t have a cooldown at a certain point), Malubeth (made all heals ignore battlespirit when it procced). Befoul CP tree increased heal as well (nasty bug). I can go on with more sets and CP bugs that benefitted DK´s but those I mentioned was heavily used by many stamDK´s and carried them extremely hard.
The "nerf dk because of op stuff and bugs" story is one of the most naive and sad in ESO history.Edited by TheMystid on July 30, 2018 7:24PMPC EU
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