Why do so many people play PvP in ESO?

BigBragg · July 2018

PvP in this game due to mechanics of the gameplay and builds is really quite a unique beast in the player versus player realm. For all the flaws, they do get a lot of things right, that get my mind churning and my blood flowing.

FloppyTouch · July 2018

It's fun

Exodium · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Why do people play PvP in ESO or in MMOs in general? The only game I have which focuses on PvP is probably overwatch lol

*Edit: I am not saying PvP is bad or you have to choose between PvP and PvE! Some people think I am trying to hate on this but I'm just curious why people play PvP in ESO or MMOs in general*

Because let's be honest, pve is just repetition of mechanics which after doing it so many times becomes easy cause you can memorise what to do..

PvP there's too many variables to be predictable (player gear, level, numbers on enemy side
etc) which makes it more exciting. For me at least.

Let's not forget, monsters can't get salty whereas players can, and the salt in pvp does add that extra fun element ppl.

Rumba1 · July 2018

For most of my 4 years playing this game I was strictly PVE questing and doing some dungeons. But one day I realize that PvP is actually easy, I found myself logging into Cyrodiil every day.

It took me a while to figure out why I kept going back, but finally I got it.

I PvP because it's easy. Yes, easy.

In PvP nobody cares what gear you wear...just come as you are. I use mostly trash overland sets.

Nobody cares what your parse is on a dummy or boss.

You don't have to group to do it. I almost always play solo. And no I'm not a ganker.

In PvP all your alliance teammates want is for you to jump off the wall and FIGHT.

In PvP the penalty for death is … a pony ride... that's it.

I just got 20 rewards for the worthy today in about 4 hours of play...it's easy.

Aurielle · July 2018

Because killing the same scripted boss 1000 times gets boring after a while? PVP is almost always unpredictable, and therefore lots of fun. It is also often hilarious. Case in point: three other guildies and I were steam-rolling through the IC districts the other day, and some random sweet summer child we came across decided to Soul Assault one of my guild mates, who was at 100% health. Seriously. He appears out of nowhere and BAM! Soul Assault! We were laughing so hard it took three seconds to kill the poor dear instead of one.

If it were anywhere other than IC, I would have assumed he was trying to dead spawn... But no, I think the poor dear honestly believed that popping out of stealth and opening with a single target execute on a group of four players would be a good idea.

The only time I laugh in a dungeon is if a boss glitches out in an amusing way. 99% of the time no one else is even talking in the group. The group either facerolls the dungeon because everyone knows what they’re doing, or you end up leaving because you’re on your tank and the damage dealers are pulling 10k DPS combined.

eso_lags · July 2018

because we like to be abused by *** game devs. i know theres a word for it.

Heimpai · July 2018

Astrid_V wrote: »

Because killing mobs in PvE is boring for some people.

^this, if this game only had pve I’d go back to shooters..pve can be fun but for me pvp is the best, it’s unpredictable..in pve once you figure out the mechanics there’s nothing else to it..completely predictable..

I guess i enjoy having to take every situation differently than doing the same routine over and over (nothing wrong with either) just why i prefer pvp

bg22 · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

This. Word for word.

MakeMeUhSamich · July 2018

To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

davidj8291 · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Why do people play PvP in ESO or in MMOs in general? The only game I have which focuses on PvP is probably overwatch lol

*Edit: I am not saying PvP is bad or you have to choose between PvP and PvE! Some people think I am trying to hate on this but I'm just curious why people play PvP in ESO or MMOs in general*

Because when it works, it is the best PvP experience in any MMO on the market. Or any game, for that matter.

SHADOW2KK · July 2018

I like killing people

Blood for the Blood God

MerlinPendragon · July 2018

Wasn't ESO originally created to focus around PvP?

idk · July 2018

Most players do some of both because they have a diverse interest. I have known some good PvP players that could hang with solid PvE raid groups and visa versa.

However, I have also known some that did PvP because they and their guild were not very good at PvE end game. They got as far as clearing vAA but could not clear vHRC. So they PvPed.

Narvuntien · July 2018

Cryodil is also quite the huge chess match with real people. You are working out when to attack when to defend when to lead a group to backdoor. Yeah sometimes its just zergs smashing into each other but that's just the effect of bad and ineffective generals.

When there is an army at the gates and you are standing on the walls trying to push them off its just amazingly epic.

the lag and disconnects are sad mark on what is actually really great war gaming experience.

MythrialDrow · July 2018

“PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making”

Ok I’ll remind the PvP people that come in vet dungeons to sharpen their coordination......

Fur_like_snow · July 2018

ESO pvp imo is more comparable to a fighting game than a more traditional MMO like WoW. It's very satisfying to land a well timed combo. The ebb and flow of combat reminds me of my tekken tag days.

Valabrog · July 2018

WarMasterCyp wrote: »

Why do people play PvP in ESO or in MMOs in general? The only game I have which focuses on PvP is probably overwatch lol

*Edit: I am not saying PvP is bad or you have to choose between PvP and PvE! Some people think I am trying to hate on this but I'm just curious why people play PvP in ESO or MMOs in general*

1. Because its logicsl to explore every part of the game you pay for and play for years.
2. Because its raises your overall skill cap by a large margin - PVE is lot easier to learn.
3. It gives additional thrill.
4. In eso its really well made and fun.
5. Because to become decent requires a lot of training and things like 1vx could be on of your long term goals.
6. And because to do the same PVE again and again gets repetitive, while every PVP fight brings different situation.

Mettaricana · July 2018

Because you can blame lag when you just plain s*** at the game...

hakan · July 2018

Because you create a character that you can do various build ( no matter what forum criers say) and play against other people. in overwatch you dont build or custom your character. Or in any moba you kind of have a build but they are more team based and you dont really have a character of your own. How playing those " real" pvp games is same with playing mmos?

Also what the reward? You dont need a reward tbh, its the gameplay itself.

One Last thing(not saying this to you btw), the " i only play pve" is the worst people ive seen in these games.

Hippie4927 · July 2018

I am mostly a PVE'er but I enjoy the occasional foray into Cyrodiil. It's different.....it's challenging.....it's more fun, IMO. It's exciting when you actually get good enough to kill somebody. I'm not sure why but it is more satisfying to kill another player than it is to kill an NPC dummy.

RaddlemanNumber7 · July 2018

It's fun.

Fighting against player characters driven by real intelligence is a vastly different experience from playing against mobs equipped only with artificial stupidity.

Darkonflare15 · July 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Because killing the same scripted boss 1000 times gets boring after a while? PVP is almost always unpredictable, and therefore lots of fun. It is also often hilarious. Case in point: three other guildies and I were steam-rolling through the IC districts the other day, and some random sweet summer child we came across decided to Soul Assault one of my guild mates, who was at 100% health. Seriously. He appears out of nowhere and BAM! Soul Assault! We were laughing so hard it took three seconds to kill the poor dear instead of one. If it were anywhere other than IC, I would have assumed he was trying to dead spawn... But no, I think the poor dear honestly believed that popping out of stealth and opening with a single target execute on a group of four players would be a good idea.

The only time I laugh in a dungeon is if a boss glitches out in an amusing way. 99% of the time no one else is even talking in the group. The group either facerolls the dungeon because everyone knows what they’re doing, or you end up leaving because you’re on your tank and the damage dealers are pulling 10k DPS combined.

I understand this argument and I know why people always state this but yeah the concept of pvp maybe not be scripted. Despite that players using the same moves, various fotm sets, and killing and dieing can get repetitive and boring as well.

Banana · July 2018

Some people like unpredictable.

Olen_Mikko · July 2018

Because PvE's difficulty is artificial. Once you get to know the mechanics, you can do anything. It is not a challenge anymore, but static rotation.

The difficulty increase is just more healthy and more damage dealing enemies. Everything still as easy to predict as always.

You can't learn mechanics in pvp. Every fight is different. You have to react and counter differently.

Pve is easy and boring, once you are experienced and leveled enough.

Minyassa · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

Just to address the comment I highlighted--not arguing, just giving you another angle from personal experience. I personally *love* challenging games, and I am also extremely into friendly competition, especially when there's skill and a learning curve involved. I have played a lot of video games over the years that I wished I could play against real people rather than the computer. I've played a lot of fiercely competitive games with family and friends. I normally LOVE PvP. So why won't I play PvP in ESO? Because there's too much nasty in it.

When I play games, I play for fun, and I play with friends or people that could be my friends if I spent time with them. Play, to me, is a positive thing. I'm not there to argue or literally fight or be treated like a real life enemy. I am not there to be abused. I have experienced far too much abuse in PvP in MMOs, I've been treated like garbage with absolutely no provocation by people that I approached with an open and friendly attitude. Frankly, there's no competition in the world, no epic contest of skills, that comes even close to making it worth enduring the sewage I have had to wade through to find it. I am simply not willing to subject myself to the stress and misery of awful people ruining my fun time with their poison. THAT'S what keeps me away from the PvP landscape in MMOs.

Vanzen · July 2018

After 4 years, any PVE content is a torture for me.

I had to get back in an undaunted dugeon for a piece I missed, I almost fell asleep.

I havent done a single quest since Orsinum.

RubyWarfare · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

You are right. I hate to lose. What I hate *more* than losing is being mocked for my ineptitude. I utterly loathe gloating, and worse still people would would virtually sexually assault my character (teabagging) just because I lost. If it were simply a matter of "win some, lose some" I might be inclined to try PVP. But the way things are, I have no interest. Also, while I am aware that teabagging might be rare, it still happens and I absolutely refuse to give anyone the opportunity to do this.

Kel · July 2018

RubyWarfare wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

You are right. I hate to lose. What I hate *more* than losing is being mocked for my ineptitude. I utterly loathe gloating, and worse still people would would virtually sexually assault my character (teabagging) just because I lost. If it were simply a matter of "win some, lose some" I might be inclined to try PVP. But the way things are, I have no interest. Also, while I am aware that teabagging might be rare, it still happens and I absolutely refuse to give anyone the opportunity to do this.

I mean, I've been verbally assulted(no idea for how to explain text assult) in dungeons and trials too. Toxic behavior isn't limited to just PvP activity.
Of course there are bad examples on either side. My personal experience has been different. This one time I was running a normal dungeon for the daily, ok...keep in mind, it was normal. I was running this build...

https://youtu.be/sqcdNUJg7Qs....

A PvE build. And this one player would not let up about how trash I was for using certain gear, and why I wasn't using this skill or why I was doing things in my rotation different from how he would do it. But he wasn't helpful about it...he was talking mad trash. Did I give up on PvE altogether because one bad experience? (It's been more, this is just an example) No...I have a tougher skin than that.
Are there toxic players in PvP? Of course. Are there toxic players in PvE? Of course.

I have asked people...guildies, not just in this game, but others as well, why they don't like PvP, and the answer I get back most often is its too hard to win. As I said, that's my personal experience. If it doesn't fit yours, hey, fair enough.
But let's not pretend toxic behavior is limited to one type of play. That's ridiculously false. Players are toxic. Not the game type. Sorry that a few bad apples have made you fear something you might have otherwise enjoyed. If you can't or are unable to shrug it off...that's your choice.
Just saying, everything you've described happens in PvE too. (Ok, minus the bagging...but still. Mocking still happens in PvE, don't kid yourself)

Juhasow · July 2018

To be fair in ESO really low amount of people play PvP actively.

Hippie4927 · July 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

PvE can be challenging. Not taking anything away from that. But even at its hardest, it's a script...once you learn "do x at y time", you got a great shot at beating the content.
PvP is anything goes...expect the unexpected and react to it. It sharpens your hand/eye coordination and decision making.
You win some and you lose some. I've long believed that's why alot of PvE players avoid the PvP landscape. Because in any given fight, you can do all the right things and still lose. It can be a tough lesson to swallow.
Personally, I tend to enjoy PvP more, but I like PvE just as well. Never understood why it has to be a "either/or" choice.

You are right. I hate to lose. What I hate *more* than losing is being mocked for my ineptitude. I utterly loathe gloating, and worse still people would would virtually sexually assault my character (teabagging) just because I lost. If it were simply a matter of "win some, lose some" I might be inclined to try PVP. But the way things are, I have no interest. Also, while I am aware that teabagging might be rare, it still happens and I absolutely refuse to give anyone the opportunity to do this.

I mean, I've been verbally assulted(no idea for how to explain text assult) in dungeons and trials too. Toxic behavior isn't limited to just PvP activity.
Of course there are bad examples on either side. My personal experience has been different. This one time I was running a normal dungeon for the daily, ok...keep in mind, it was normal. I was running this build...https://youtu.be/sqcdNUJg7Qs....

A PvE build. And this one player would not let up about how trash I was for using certain gear, and why I wasn't using this skill or why I was doing things in my rotation different from how he would do it. But he wasn't helpful about it...he was talking mad trash. Did I give up on PvE altogether because one bad experience? (It's been more, this is just an example) No...I have a tougher skin than that.
Are there toxic players in PvP? Of course. Are there toxic players in PvE? Of course.

I have asked people...guildies, not just in this game, but others as well, why they don't like PvP, and the answer I get back most often is its too hard to win. As I said, that's my personal experience. If it doesn't fit yours, hey, fair enough.
But let's not pretend toxic behavior is limited to one type of play. That's ridiculously false. Players are toxic. Not the game type. Sorry that a few bad apples have made you fear something you might have otherwise enjoyed. If you can't or are unable to shrug it off...that's your choice.

So much this ^^^

In my own experience, I have never been 'assaulted' in PVP.......I have never been teabagged or hate/rage whispered. But in PVE I was called a '***' for not dueling, an idiot because I wouldn't group with a guy who was verbally abusing everyone in a public dungeon, and in a pledge dungeon, I was told that I should uninstall the game and find something else to do with my life. So, the point being that toxicity is on both sides of the fence.