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BejaProphet wrote: »

Personally, I distinguish between a bad tank and a fake tank.

A fake tank is somebody who ques for the role with no intention of actually fulfilling the role. So long as they are intending to function as a tank, I don't call them fake. They just might not be any good at it.

Exactly right.

All of the above should have been an option but mainly no taunt

A fake tank is someone who isn't a tank... Why do we need a poll for this? XD

CardboardedBox wrote: »

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If a bunch of kids made that tank - that is awesome! If adults made it - they were smoking the wacky weed.

redspecter23 wrote: »

If they can't tank, they're a fake tank. If they have 35k hp, a sword and board, a taunt and all gold heavy armor, they are still a fake tank if they die repeatedly to mechanics or red circles.

That is not a fake tank - that is a BAD tank.

I dont care if you have 20k health, if you are not running pierce armor, and keeping the boss (when is possible) in one place, then you are not a tank.

If you are gonna run ice staff you better be using the stam bugs and ele drain on the target.

To me, being a tank means taunting, not dying, and holding the boss still whenever possible. Taunting and not dying kind of assumes being able to aggro and survive trash fights leading up to bosses as well, so I wouldn't count it as it's own thing. If you're wearing a set that helps the DPS do more damage or stay alive easier, that's just extra. Same thing with dealing damage yourself. If you're set up as a damage dealer but still meet those requirements, then enjoy the lower queue time.

I don't care if you have 1k health or 100k health, so long as you can pull it off without dying. If you have to dodge roll the boss' heavy attack since blocking it would kill you, then dodge roll through them and turn around so they are still in the AoEs. During trash pulls, if you can throw an AoE to aggro all of the mobs then dodge roll in the middle of them or spam shields to stay alive, then so be it. The only time health is really a problem is in DLC dungeons.

It's possible to get away with 12k health(no food going), have no weapon(which forces you to have only 1 skill bar, unless you use shields), and still heal for the group while being the tank in non-DLC dungeons. I know this because I used to get bored on my healer while grinding for keys when I still needed monster set pieces, and I gradually started to see what I could get away with and still complete the dungeon. You have to be geared for it and know the fights, but you can still be a good tank with stupidly low health. Tanking is more about knowledge and managing stamina than anything else. More correctly, resource management since you could do it with shields instead of blocking or dodging. I haven't tried it since the block cost increase, but I would imagine it's still possible(or possible again) since the new infused trait for jewelry.

Point being, you can get away with a lot and still be the "tank." I wouldn't call some of them "real tanks" but I wouldn't call them fake either.

ArchMikem wrote: »

1. Doesn't Taunt
2. Doesn't use 1h&Shield
3. Has less than 30k Health
(optional 4.) Isn't wearing Ebon

Just those three things is enough to make me either kick or leave. The fourth is optional because a legit Tank can still perform without the set, but it's been so long since Ebon became standard gear for the role that when you don't see red orbs around the supposed Tank then it's safe to become a little suspicious.

I tank most vet dungeons on my pet sort character.

He uses undaunted inner fire as taunt and destroys everything with good dps. Power surge and shields. It's very effective.

He also uses twilight matriarch as heals. So that allows us to play essentially 4 dps teams which is the most efficient way to go.

A 'tank' does not need s&b until trial level content. There are so many options on how to play an effective tank.

LonePirate wrote: »

This poll is misleading without clarifying that the OP is asking about fake PVE tanks. Taunts are useless for PVP tanks.

The very first line of the post:

Yakidafi wrote: »

In 4 man pve content.

Side note: Taunting isn't completely useless in PvP. There is one set that gives it a purpose, granted it isn't used very often.

To me a fake tank is no taunt, no crowd control, low HP pools, I get suspicious when I look at the group tab at the beginning of a dungeon and the 'tank' has both tank and dps role selected.

There have been many times recently where I as healer ended up tanking most mobs myself.

Haha. Good points.

The content and composition of the group matter too. Knowledge of the game. The mechanics of the fight.

Depending on all the above, I'll give it a try, or I won't.

I would hope the fake *role* would at least attempt to try to fulfill their role if the group is struggling on a piece of content.

No taunt. No debuffs on resistances. No self-sustain on HP or HP melts like a snowflake.

If there's taunt, moves a lot and wastes AOE's then confesses that he or she is squishy (like how are you a tank anyway).

And regarding Ebon, I usually give opportunities for glass cannons to be glass. Besides, that's a few points of sacrifice with attribute points. If you are only around 16k health even with food/drink, then that's the choice you were willing to take when you were building.