Ilambris weps cheeting

OverDream · July 2018

Preview shows that all weps have fire effect permanently, and when they in sheath too. I purchased the bundle and thought that now my char will be rock-n'rolling with firing blunt behind my back, but i was misrepresented, because firing effect is only when it is ready to cast, without any firing effect when it's behind char's back.
Any thoughts?

UPDATED: The customer support has successfully performed a refund of 2500 crowns for me.

weedgenius · July 2018

Can you post pics?

Yellow_Monolith · July 2018

You should ask customer care for a refund if its not working the way it was advertised

OverDream · July 2018

currently not in the game.
the staff behind back looks like a normal staff without eny effects.

Fischblut · July 2018

Based on previews, I was also sure these weapons would have effects enabled permanently, but I am lucky cause I could test them on PTS when they were available (and was disappointed)

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2018

Comments ZOS? @ZOS_GinaBruno

casparian · July 2018

OverDream wrote: »

currently not in the game.
the staff behind back looks like a normal staff without eny effects.

That's bizarre. They're certainly capable of adding weapon effects to sheathed weapons (see Infallible Aether, Moondancer, Mending, etc.), and I thought the whole point of these weapons was to give players more potions for outfit styles with weapon effects.

I hope this is a bug. If there aren't constant weapon effects then that dramatically lowers my incentive to buy these things.

OverDream · July 2018

gimme a sec, I'll submit screenshots

Acrolas · July 2018

OverDream wrote: »

Preview shows that all weps have fire effect permanently, and when they in sheath too. I purchased the bundle and thought that now my char will be rock-n'rolling with firing blunt behind my back, but i was misrepresented, because firing effect is only when it is ready to cast, without any firing effect when it's behind char's back.
Any thoughts?

You cannot sheath weapons in the Crown Store preview window, and they are previewing as intended at the Outfit station - active effect when armed, inactive when sheathed. The Skyforge Smith Hammer style already functions like this so doubtful that it's a bug.

So I'm failing to see how anything is misrepresented, other than the existence of a sheathed weapon preview with the effect active.

greenmachine · July 2018

Whew, almost spent real money on that, close one. Thank you, OverDream!

Fix yo stuff ZoS!

brandonv516 · July 2018

Yeah if not permanently on fire, not going to purchase. That simple ZoS.

Please answer if intended.

OverDream · July 2018

Actually I did not think that when unsheathed there will not be eny effect, because there are lots of weps with effects when thay are unsheathed. I thought that now my char will look amaxing, but Ilambris weps are just common stuff, nothing special, so it is rightful of me to kindly request a refund, I think

LuxanQualta · July 2018

The July Showcase said:

"The Ilambris Arms Pack provides an Outfit look for weapons in the style of the Ilambris twins from the Crypt of Hearts dungeon. These weapon styles are the first in ESO to have persistent particle effects, and can be applied to any weapon at an Outfit Station. The pack contains one Outfit Change Token and the following weapon Outfit styles: Ilambris Battle Axe, Ilambris Bow, Ilambris Shield, Ilambris Staff, and Ilambris Sword."

Persistent is the key word. It does not equate to temporarily or only in certain situations. It means that the flame stays on to me. So when I found that this was only a temporary effect when the weapon is unsheathed, I was very disappointed. So much so, I don't know whether I will bother with getting the head/shoulders. I could understand the flame going out when stealthed, but not when just standing, walking, running, or riding. This just is really a disappointment.

In the future it would be nice if y'all could make a full disclosure of what the effects are and do. You shouldn't have to go play on PTS or search the web to find out before buying. It should clearly state what you are buying in the announcement and in the crown store.

Moloch1514 · July 2018

LuxanQualta wrote: »

The July Showcase said:

"The Ilambris Arms Pack provides an Outfit look for weapons in the style of the Ilambris twins from the Crypt of Hearts dungeon. These weapon styles are the first in ESO to have persistent particle effects, and can be applied to any weapon at an Outfit Station. The pack contains one Outfit Change Token and the following weapon Outfit styles: Ilambris Battle Axe, Ilambris Bow, Ilambris Shield, Ilambris Staff, and Ilambris Sword."

Persistent is the key word. It does not equate to temporarily or only in certain situations. It means that the flame stays on to me. So when I found that this was only a temporary effect when the weapon is unsheathed, I was very disappointed. So much so, I don't know whether I will bother with getting the head/shoulders. I could understand the flame going out when stealthed, but not when just standing, walking, running, or riding. This just is really a disappointment.

In the future it would be nice if y'all could make a full disclosure of what the effects are and do. You shouldn't have to go play on PTS or search the web to find out before buying. It should clearly state what you are buying in the announcement and in the crown store.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is this a bug or just false/deceptive marketing? Hard to tell these days.

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

Damn.

Thanks for posting this, I guess I'm not gonna buy this set.

Carbonised · July 2018

Having a persistent flame glow on your weapons was half the fun of these items, just like the crown store advert says.

If this is working as intended I'm going to request a refund too, as well as passing on any of the future monster set packs.

@ZOS_GinaBruno what gives, aren't the weapons supposed to glow when not drawn as well, like the advert says? For normal weapon enchants you don't seem to have trouble making them glowing persistently, even when the community wants to get rid of that effect.

luen79rwb17_ESO · July 2018

Wow so much for persistence

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Having a persistent flame glow on your weapons was half the fun of these items, just like the crown store advert says.

If this is working as intended I'm going to request a refund too, as well as passing on any of the future monster set packs.

@ZOS_GinaBruno what gives, aren't the weapons supposed to glow when not drawn as well, like the advert says? For normal weapon enchants you don't seem to have trouble making them glowing persistently, even when the community wants to get rid of that effect.

Agreed. The weapon models are nothing special, its the flame effect that makes them interesting.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2018

Waiting for official response...

Acrolas · July 2018

LuxanQualta wrote: »

In the future it would be nice if y'all could make a full disclosure of what the effects are and do. You shouldn't have to go play on PTS or search the web to find out before buying. It should clearly state what you are buying in the announcement and in the crown store.

But did anyone ask for clarification before today? It's hard to take outrage seriously when people refuse to speak up under normal circumstances.

It's one thing to debate with evidence, and then it's another thing altogether to engage in this “Gotcha!” culture nonsense. The former is about persuasion. The latter is nothing more than pretending to be superior.

phermitgb · July 2018

I think you (and ZOS) may have misinterpreted the use of the word "persistent"

I dunno about special cases, but most particle effects on UNSHEATHED weapons are temporary - when you draw your flaming enchanted sword, it bursts into flames, burns for several seconds, then dies down to a normal sword. Many of the weapons also burst into their respective magical whatever when they actually activate their effect, stay burning for a little while, then die down to normal as above.

I think it's quite possible that when ZOS used the word *persistent*, they expected that it meant that the magical flame effect would be on as long as the weapon was drawn (whereas now, it's only temporary when the weapon is drawn) - technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed, which is why they probably felt that the word persistent would common-sensically apply to the only time when weapons have ever had a particle effect : namely, when they're drawn

of course, over the years, I've discovered that one person's common sense is another person's abject insanity, which is why I wish people would stop using the term "common sense".

just one possibility...

casparian · July 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

LuxanQualta wrote: »

In the future it would be nice if y'all could make a full disclosure of what the effects are and do. You shouldn't have to go play on PTS or search the web to find out before buying. It should clearly state what you are buying in the announcement and in the crown store.

But did anyone ask for clarification before today? It's hard to take outrage seriously when people refuse to speak up under normal circumstances.

It's one thing to debate with evidence, and then it's another thing altogether to engage in this “Gotcha!” culture nonsense. The former is about persuasion. The latter is nothing more than pretending to be superior.

I don't know what a "Gotcha!" culture is, but I think all of just read "persistent" to mean "always there", which is what the word means. There wasn't anything to suggest that there was any reason to ask for clarification. What would we have asked? "Gina, when the marketing team says persistent, do you think they might actually means sometimes? Could you check into that for us?"

Carbonised · July 2018

phermitgb wrote: »

technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed

Every NPC has glowing staves even when sheathed, so no, bad explanation.

Also, there is really only one definition of the word persistent. If something goes on and off it is PER DEFINITION not persistent .. That's the literal meaning of the word, you know.

Edit: And yes, MoL weapons as well.

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

phermitgb wrote: »

technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed, which is why they probably felt that the word persistent would common-sensically apply to the only time when weapons have ever had a particle effect : namely, when they're drawn

vMoL sets glow all the time, even if sheathed or if you replace the model with outfit style.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2018

phermitgb wrote: »

I think you (and ZOS) may have misinterpreted the use of the word "persistent"

I dunno about special cases, but most particle effects on UNSHEATHED weapons are temporary - when you draw your flaming enchanted sword, it bursts into flames, burns for several seconds, then dies down to a normal sword. Many of the weapons also burst into their respective magical whatever when they actually activate their effect, stay burning for a little while, then die down to normal as above.

I think it's quite possible that when ZOS used the word *persistent*, they expected that it meant that the magical flame effect would be on as long as the weapon was drawn (whereas now, it's only temporary when the weapon is drawn) - technically, as far as I know, NO weapon has had an active particle effect while sheathed, which is why they probably felt that the word persistent would common-sensically apply to the only time when weapons have ever had a particle effect : namely, when they're drawn

of course, over the years, I've discovered that one person's common sense is another person's abject insanity, which is why I wish people would stop using the term "common sense".

just one possibility...

Moondancer and several others are 'persistent' when sheathed.

Moloch1514 · July 2018

Shouldn't be surprised since they managed to even mess up the announcement in-game (was saying COH2 to get motif). SMH

Icy_Waffles · July 2018

I understand the particles disappear when sheathed, but when drawn are they constant or just for a few seconds like enchants?

Carbonised · July 2018

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I understand the particles disappear when sheathed, but when drawn are they constant or just for a few seconds like enchants?

Constant from when you draw it until you sheathe it.

Also, whether draw on sheathed, it does hide the ugly and persistent weapon enchant effect glow on your weapons. So I guess it's a 2,500 Crown solution to getting rid of permanent enchant glow

Mureel · July 2018

greenmachine wrote: »

Whew, almost spent real money on that, close one. Thank you, OverDream!

Fix yo stuff ZoS!

THIS! I nearly logged in just to buy it!

Thank you OP for warning!

Mureel · July 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I understand the particles disappear when sheathed, but when drawn are they constant or just for a few seconds like enchants?

Constant from when you draw it until you sheathe it.

Also, whether draw on sheathed, it does hide the ugly and persistent weapon enchant effect glow on your weapons. So I guess it's a 2,500 Crown solution to getting rid of permanent enchant glow

I actually like the enchant glow!

Acrolas · July 2018

casparian wrote: »

I don't know what a "Gotcha!" culture is, but I think all of just read "persistent" to mean "always there", which is what the word means. There wasn't anything to suggest that there was any reason to ask for clarification. What would we have asked? "Gina, when the marketing team says persistent, do you think they might actually means sometimes? Could you check into that for us?"

I take persistent as a synonym of 'extended' or 'longer than usual'. As in a persistent cough or a persistent telemarketer. There's no perpetuality inferred from either.

I agree that it may have been better to actually describe the effect rather than let one word do all the heavy lifting, but 'persistent' and 'perpetual' are two different things.