It interferes with targetting with a mouse too, it's more of a hitbox overlapping thing

Well it's not that reliable. Sometimes it proc twice in 6 seconds and other times it doesn't proc for 12. Although I agree that balancing around that kind of randomness is questionable, it's not really 100% uptime. Especially in open world when the sorcs that do use this set tend to be chased by zergs so you out Streak it and still end with a net loss.

BTW, most sorcs run it because the only other monster set that synergizes with the class is infernal guardian. Shadowrend works too but only for niche duel builds. The reason why other classes don't run it is because all of them synergize better with Blood Spawn.

It's really strong but also really easy to counter since most melee characters are always in range and most range mag builds run clench.

Instead of a traditional cooldown, they could just make it so that bashing the EG prevents it from returning resources for 6 seconds.

Twohothardware wrote: »

Engine Guardian may only have a 10% chance to proc the dwemer automation but those who know realize that on classes like Magicka Sorceror where you're constantly refreshing shields this thing has a almost permanent uptime as long as you have good sustain. You can bash it, which sometimes doesn't work, but the moment one goes down another one is back up.

When it procs it restores up to 15,106 Health, Stamina, or Magicka over 6.5 seconds. That's more than Argonian with Resourceful passive using Tri Stat Pots. On top of that it functions as a proc pet allowing you to LoS with it and cause several of your attackers skills to target it instead.

Every single Sorc uses it on PS4 and for good reason with the near 100% uptime and resources it returns. The LoS thing may be more of an issue with console because it's harder to target with controller than a mouse.

Engine Guardian needs a cooldown so that when one is up there's not another one getting ready to proc the moment it gets bashed or runs out.

This set is designed beautifully. It isn't overpowered while at the same time being useful. It has more counter-play than most sets/mechanics in this game will ever have.

If you bash it, you effectively nullify your opponents monster set bonus giving you a big advantage. You can also heavy attack the summoned dwemer for resources (can't regen from heavies on a blocking target) or execute it for various stat buffs (2H regen, Killer's Blade regen, ect), turning their own tool against them.

Additionally, a user only has a 1 in 3 chance of getting whichever resource they need in a given moment.

Lastly, and this may be a platform thing, EG is a common set on PC NA, but nowhere near "ever single Sorc" uses it. Let's focus our attention on nerfing things that are actually over-powered instead of fun, working as intended sets with plenty of counterplay.

Really? We are calling Engine Guardian OP now?

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lastly, and this may be a platform thing, EG is a common set on PC NA, but nowhere near "ever single Sorc" uses it. Let's focus our attention on nerfing things that are actually over-powered instead of fun, working as intended sets with plenty of counterplay.

Like I said, it may be a platform thing where targeting is easier on PC due to a mouse so it's not as easy to LoS with it. On PS4 pretty much every Sorc that knows runs it.

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have a cooldown when it is bashed and interuppted.

Been a loooooong time since someone advocated a nerf for that set.

It's fine.

Twohothardware wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lastly, and this may be a platform thing, EG is a common set on PC NA, but nowhere near "ever single Sorc" uses it. Let's focus our attention on nerfing things that are actually over-powered instead of fun, working as intended sets with plenty of counterplay.

Like I said, it may be a platform thing where targeting is easier on PC due to a mouse so it's not as easy to LoS with it. On PS4 pretty much every Sorc that knows runs it.

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have a cooldown when it is bashed and interuppted.

Right, but because of the other reasons listed above there's also no reason why it should have a cooldown. A CD would push the set from "somewhat common" to extinct.

A set that allows you to negate the bonuses it grants with cleave, or a simple bash could be strong, but it simply isn't overpowered.

Gprime31 wrote: »

Nerf mighty chudan!!!! Seeing as how we’re are talking nonsense anyway lol

Yeah cause you can LoS the hell out of people with Mighty Chudan lol.

The_Outsider wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lastly, and this may be a platform thing, EG is a common set on PC NA, but nowhere near "ever single Sorc" uses it. Let's focus our attention on nerfing things that are actually over-powered instead of fun, working as intended sets with plenty of counterplay.

Like I said, it may be a platform thing where targeting is easier on PC due to a mouse so it's not as easy to LoS with it. On PS4 pretty much every Sorc that knows runs it.

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have a cooldown when it is bashed and interuppted.

Right, but because of the other reasons listed above there's also no reason why it should have a cooldown. A CD would push the set from "somewhat common" to extinct.

A set that allows you to negate the bonuses it grants with cleave, or a simple bash could be strong, but it simply isn't overpowered.

The issue on console isn't being able to negate the resources, It's being Line of Sighted by it. Targeting is harder with a controller than a mouse and you get an adept Sorc that's learned how to keep the automation positioned in front of him instead of behind and it's Shuffle on steroids.

IAVITNI wrote: »

I think this is more of a LoS issue, at least on console. For example, even target locking won't help with LoS. Tbh I don't even know of a single player that actively uses target lock because of how useless it is. I don't even think it does anything but highlight a player.

If they'd make it to where you can use the target highlight command and your attacks then ignore the dwemer automation the Sorc is jumping circles around I'd not complain.

Twohothardware wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Really? We are calling Engine Guardian OP now?

On one class, MagSorc, that is balanced for high sustain and shield stacking which procs it fast as it runs out? Yes.

Adding a cooldown won't affect other classes that aren't spamming skills enough to proc it as often.

Now that rune cage is no longer the center of attention because care bears are getting it nerfed left and right, they need something else to focus on and include magsorc in it so it gets more attention

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If you're a PVPer, it's been like this for years and it's not an issue.
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It actually got a pretty important PvP-related nerf ALREADY, when you couldn't repent the corpses anymore. Gave templars a consistent use for repentance in 1v1s.

You should revisit math class. I think you've missed a day or two?

It's 10%.

It's 10% on any class. It doesn't somehow work better on one than another.

Sometimes it will proc twice in 5 casts. Sometimes it won't proc once in 50.

It's also random which return you get. If you get a returned stat you don't need, it's basically done nothing.

If it gets interrupted (which any PvPer worth their salt will do almost out of instinct), is does nothing.

And LoS, seriously? Are you seeing this strictly on wood elves? Have you never heard of jump?

This is a L2P issue.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You should revisit math class. I think you've missed a day or two?

It's 10%.

It's 10% on any class. It doesn't somehow work better on one than another.

Sometimes it will proc twice in 5 casts. Sometimes it won't proc once in 50.

It's also random which return you get. If you get a returned stat you don't need, it's basically done nothing.

If it gets interrupted (which any PvPer worth their salt will do almost out of instinct), is does nothing.

And LoS, seriously? Are you seeing this strictly on wood elves? Have you never heard of jump?

This is a L2P issue.

It absolutely works better on one class than another. All classes do not have the sustain that MagSorc does to repeatedly refresh 2-3 shields every couple of seconds on top of their skills they're using to attack.

The proc is often enough that there's little to no downtime if you know how to resource manage and which skills to spam more than others to keep it proc'ing.

It doesn't matter if the resource return is random. The amount of resources you get is a lot if it's not instantly interrupted, 2,324 health, magicka, or stamina per second. If you proc stamina and are full stamina you can sprint for free or use Dark Conversion to get more magicka. If your full magicka and proc the magicka dwemer you can cast multiple skills for free, and if you proc health it's an additional HoT that mitigates damage you're taking.

Constantly using stamina to bash and interrupt something that's respawning as fast as you bash it while at the same time getting Haunting Curse -> Mages Wrath -> Meteor -> Rune Caged is easier said than done if it's a higher skilled Sorc doing a lot of damage. You need all of your skills to hit to get through their shields and the proc pet causes targeting issues on console.

LoS'ing in a game has nothing to do with visual LoS.