Light attack spamming!

karekiz wrote: »

OP

Pugs for what?

Normal? Vet? DLC?

If normal, then slot a taunt. You don't really need a "tank" for normal <and most people that DO go in with taunts leveling up often have level 1 training gear so they are basically wearing bare gear>.

Vet it can be an issue.

DLC they should know better.

cp 750, vet dungs.
I am doing some dailies and achievements in summerset, and I usually take random veteran or something that pops up in between. Nothing I really need so I don't bother too much about it if the group isn't optimal. I thought first I was just unlucky, but it's actually scary how many players who bought accounts recently. They have exactly zero clue whats going on, not even one clue. And it's not one time only, this have been going on for days.

Like I said, I don't really need the dungeons, but it's still a problem for the game. And I'm not trolling when I say I rather want some npc next to me than these recently cp capped pugs.

You don't need a tank with a taunt in a normal dungeon if all the group members have self-heals, know the mechanics, and aren't going to freak out if they draw aggro. Stack and Burn can be really effective, assuming everyone knows what to do.

However, when you figure out how to bribe Group Finder to alwaysput your fake tank with no taunt in a random group with 3 self-sufficient, self-healing, knowledgable DDs and a healer who aren't going to freak out when they get aggro, let me know.

In the meantime, when the normal dungeon takes longer than it needs to because one or more of our healer or our DDs can't stack and burn an untaunted boss who's aggroing on them or resetting, I'm going to be unhappy with you, because I know full well you aren't doing your job and therefore are making our jobs much harder than it needed to be. (And yes, I have dealt with fake tanks blaming their group members for struggling with boss aggro when the fake tank wasn't taunting at all. Those players are just jerks.)

Getting grouped up with 2 damage dealers under 200 champion points in a vet DLC dungeon.

Ramber wrote: »

you just need a guild with people to help with grouping, You can message me in game if u like

Ah thanks m8, I have a lot of friends and guilds np, just 2 am in the morning no one is online and I am a bit bored, nothing really an issue for me personal, but I don't like that my favorite game is so bad in cooperation.

You do know that all NPCs have injured their arm and cannot fight? If not you haven't done enough quests.

disintegr8 wrote: »

Get a grip @VaranisArano and stop using dungeon finder.

Normal dungeons might take longer because someone may never have done it before. If you play fake tank and get 3 level 15's who have never done it before and don't even know what buffs and debuffs are, do you blame them for it taking too long?
I suppose you will say they shouldn't be using dungeon finder but they have as much right to use it as anyone else. If anything, it's people like you who should not be using dungeon finder.

@disintegr8

I'm not sure you understood my point. I'm trying to point out that a fake tank only works well under certain limited circumstances and does not work well for ALL groups in the groupfinder, especially those with new players.

I've got no problems with new people using group finder. Uh, that's what its there for. Having new players how are learning mechanics and trying out there roles is just fine by me. A new player who doesn't know their role or mechanics can be taught, and they often listen a lot better than the people to queue up for a role they aren't willing to fill.

My problem is with fake tanks who don't bother to taunt the boss. Those are the players that make it much harder on new players who often don't have the skills to deal with the dungeon when they don't have an actual tank. I've seen that happen multiple times - where new players struggled because the fake tank wasn't taunting. And yes, I've seen fake tanks blame those players for it taking longer despite it being the fake tanks fault that the boss aggroed on that new player who didn't know what to do. In those cases, the dungeon was harder than it needed to be because of the Fake Tank, not the new player.

So, seriously, it sounds like you've got a problem with fake tanks who blame new players? Great, so do I.

Edited because I'm not sure what I originally wrote was very clear, sorry: The only people I really dislike meeting in groupfinder are the ones who queue up for roles they don't intend to fill, such as a tank who refuses to taunt in a group that needs a tank or a healer who refuses to heal even when the group needs it. New players are fun, I can deal with bad players, but people who deliberately choose not to do their jobs and make the group's experience worse for it annoy me.

If that means I shouldn't be using GroupFinder, so be it. Personally, I'm going to keep using it because the good runs usually outweigh the bad.

Waffennacht wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Get a grip @VaranisArano and stop using dungeon finder.

Normal dungeons might take longer because someone may never have done it before. If you play fake tank and get 3 level 15's who have never done it before and don't even know what buffs and debuffs are, do you blame them for it taking too long?
I suppose you will say they shouldn't be using dungeon finder but they have as much right to use it as anyone else. If anything, it's people like you who should not be using dungeon finder.

Well noobs shouldn't be queing for their non-role

OP stated he hates fake tanks. Which I agree.

Noobs are bad, like a bad healer or a 5k dps.

Fakes just que as something else

Almost all PuG non-dlc tanks are actually dps

I also would rather a NPC tank over a fake tank that is a bad dps.

I also only get angry with fakes that do it on dungeons that requires a real role.

Otherwise I'll just solo it and the other 3 can be along for the ride

Personally, I'd far rather have a noob than a fake tank or a fake healer. Heck, I'd rather have a full group of noobs doing about 5k DPS each. (Been there, done that, tanking normal Fungal Grotto II was so much fun back when it was one of the first dungeons to unlock. ZOS has definitely improved the dungeon unlocking system over time. But that group of newbies listened when I explained boss mechanics and we completed FGII, slowly, but we did it.)

The thing about new players is that even if they don't know the dungeon or their role, they generally listen. If they struggled with a mechanic, I can see that and they listen when I explain the mechanic. If they aren't taunting, they listen when I explain the available taunts. If they are taunting when they aren't the tank, they listen when I explain why they have boss aggro. If they want advice on DPS, they listen (I'll ask if they want advice, but I won't force it on them if they don't).

New Players may not do amazing in normal dungeons, but normal dungeons are exactly where they belong, learning and improving. Generally speaking, the new players I've run with make for fun, usually surprising smooth runs.

When you do pickup sports, you meet people on the entire ability-to-play spectrum. And the nega-spectrum, which is like the regular spectrum except the worst players think they're the absolute best and are also the loudest and most obnoxious.

I will never, ever expect it to be any different in a video game. Just keep your expectations super-low and work with what you're given. There's always next time.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

I generally kick fake tanks, or I leave the group. Even in normals. Even though I can easily solo them.

Why? Because I'm not supporting that crap. Do your role or gtfo.

Only exception is if we queue up together that way on purpose, or if we're all high CP and having no problems.

I don't care if you're a 750 DPS wrecking everything in sight, if the lowbies in our random group are getting smacked around by the bosses, I will kick you. And then I'll throw on Inner Fire and tank/heal the rest so they can learn the dungeon. I will not support the self-centered, entitled mentality of fake tanks who think the convenience of a faster queue justifies ruining the dungeon for others. You may think it's "easy" (for you) and you don't "need" a tank, but lowbies do.

Yup. I just bailed on a normal ICP because I wasn't in there 30 seconds and some Dipsy DPS starts spamming resto staff heals when I'm the only qued healer in the group. First strike! I don't like DLC dungeons. Second strike. Do yer job. You don't get three strikes in 30 seconds.

For the record, I'd pay to be able to choose not to que for DLC's when doing random's because I just want a fast run and transmute crystal. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah, the fake role queuers are getting worse lately

I always perform the role I queue for. If I cant on the toon I queued in with, I swap to a built tank/healer even if I dont get the reward bonus because it's not fair to the rest of the group.

I hate fake tanks more than anything in the world (fake healer I can tolerate cause I can look out for myself)

Had a Fake Sorc Tank in vSpindleclutch 2 that was just awful. No real tanking done at all, he even died to the 1st mini boss in 1 hit (That stupid easy Zombie boss with his adds). Ended up tanking the majority of it myself on my Stamblade and while everything was dying quickly enough that it wasn't much of an issue, I'd have greatly appreciated everything NOT moving out of my Endless Hail/Caltrops.

Then, they had the NERVE to ask for my Blood Spawn Helmet at the end to which I replied, " I don't reward fakes", promptly left the group and deconned the Helmet. No regret whatsoever.