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Common Courtesy
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SocialAssassin wrote: »I personally hate when some random player is just standing there and either loitering or "blocking traffic" yes you're allowed to stand anywhere you, please. But seriously do it elsewhere. It's like when you're trying to watch TV and someone walks right in front of you. It's annoying, to say the least. I thank you
Is this really a concern when players dont have collision?
It isnt, but some people actually believe they're above others who paid for and play this game.1 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭It's an MMO you have to get to used to other people doing things that are pet peeves to you, sorry.Edited by GarnetFire17 on July 18, 2018 11:31PM0 -
Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Androconium wrote: »
You do spell courtesy with a U in the UK. Just like armour, endeavour, glamour for example. Americans drop the U for some reason or other.
Also most of these things are essentially pet peeves, and not common courtesy at all.
I'm American and I spell "courtesy" the way I just did because that is how it is in the dictionary and how it looks and sounds right to me. If anything, it would be more logical to drop the "o" based on how it sounds.
We also spell "glamour" the same, but "armor" and "endeavor" look and sound better without the "u", which just seems like "high-falutin' holier-than-thou BS" because of the "u", and in those is completely silent in how we say it. It's like "Coldharbour" always looks funny to me, especially when the NPCs in games shorten it to just "the harbor".Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on July 19, 2018 4:28AM0 -
Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Wait for the best part.
You're playing a quest, and you have to gather some resources off the ground.
Then out of no where, some random player streaks in from out of no where , literally, and steals the resource you have to pick up that's right in front of you and you can't stop them because it's in PvE zones, they take it because they too are also doing the same quest.
How's that for common courtesy?
FANTASTIC right!!!!?
How did they get their first? Sounds like you were the one trying to steal their resource. Where do you think they came from? Where is this "out of nowhere" you speak of, because they did the same thing you did.
People need to get over themselves. Sometimes you will be farther from a resource and someone will get it before you. Deal with it. Stop telling others to be courteous while at the same time talking like a resource they were closer to belongs to you.
They are talking about quest items, not crafting nodes. Learn to read.
This "quest item pvp" is absolutely stupid and easily fixed. Hell, they have several quests where it is fixed so everybody can access the item without fighting other players for it, but this is not universal and it should be universal to all quests.
New quests where players have to fight for objectives are unforgivable.
Don't be obtuse. It doesn't matter if it is a quest item or resource. Courtesy was not an issue there. Everyone is trying to get the objects. Stop thinking you have some right to the item and people need to defer to you.
"Pot, meet kettle."
1) Everyone has a right to and NEEDS quest items. They are the most important items in the game as progression just stops without them, so the point is valid.
2) You assumed the original person you quoted meant "crafting nodes" when they obviously posted "playing a quest, and you have to gather some resources off the ground" which is obviously the quest item required.
I guarantee you that every other game I have ever played that is newer than the year 2001, does not make players fight for quest items. Every player gets the quest item they need without having to "wait their turn" or "pvp for it".
The only 2 mmo games I have played that have quest item pvp are Tibia, which fixed those issues eventually and is ancient in MMO terms since it started in the late 90s, and this backwards game called Elder Scrolls Online, as far as quest coding is concerned.
It's absolutely idiotic that an MMO which is designed to encourage cooperation among players to satisfy that "MMO reason for existence" is actively causing competitive anti-social behavior in areas outside of PVP.1 -
vometia✭✭✭
"Better" is a rather subjective opinion: to me, the words just look jarring without the "u", and the pronunciation of English is so divorced from the spelling anyway, as well as varying from region to region. You could just as well say that the "r"s should be dropped for much the same reason, but "habo" just looks odd, as well as still not being very close to the actual pronunciation.Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »We also spell "glamour" the same, but "armor" and "endeavor" look and sound better without the "u", which just seems like "high-falutin' holier-than-thou BS" because of the "u", and in those is completely silent in how we say it. It's like "Coldharbour" always looks funny to me, especially when the NPCs in games shorten it to just "the harbor".
Of course the subject of different pronunciations leads to the inevitable "I don't have an accent, everybody else does!" that you tend to get. I think one of the most bizarre examples of which was someone apparently trying to assert that mid-west Americans speak English with an English accent and the English speak English with a foreign accent, though it took quite a while to figure out what the blazes he was on about.Edited by vometia on July 19, 2018 5:23AM0 -
Altaire✭✭✭If the programmers can make transparent mounts and mobs. Why don't they do the same w/ pets and save us a bunch of grief from those flappy pets that hang in front of bankers.
I wouldn't mind at all if my combat pets where a lot smaller and see thru.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bjsaustrwb17_ESO wrote: »Wait, people have a problem with other people using mounts in town?
Why?
Pace, rhythm, immersion, that sort of things.
It would feel much more like medieval fantasy towns if everyone was walking. Having everyone run hastily like they were escaping their mother-in-law running after them isn't pleasant. It gives the feeling of "hurry ! hurry ! clock's ticking !" ...
That being said, I understand that immersion in an MMO has limits and those seeking a true immersion tailored to their taste should actually play single player games.
At least the impact of "rapid maneuver" has been restricted to group members. It was awful when other players could control my own character and make him unsheathe and run !Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on July 19, 2018 6:43AM1 -
I guess...Last thing I think of when I waystone in to 20 people dueling, playing music over chat and telling your mamma jokes is whether moving beyond walking speed would break someones immersion. I'm generally in a rush to get what I want done, done and get away from all the peoples.1 -
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✭✭adriant1978 wrote: »SocialAssassin wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »TIL, you can unsummon your twilights/clannfears... I'm at CP 196, and I've been dying to unsummon them since I first got the abilities
I thought they had to die in combat to get rid of them.
Apologies to everyone at every bank/crafting station/doorway/anywhere in the universe, but especially Daggerfall.
I swear, this game is clear as mud sometimes!
If you're a clueless n00b like me, here's how you do it:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269803/is-there-a-way-to-unsummon-your-familiar
You can Unsummon them. All you have to do is swap them out in your inventory bar for another ability. And congrats! You have unsummoned. Sure you have to go an extra step but it's still possible.
If you're on PC you can also use my add-on made for this purpose:
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1314-PetDismiss.html
I eyeballed that-- looks like a great idea for most people
I'm too lame, though. I already can't remember 3/4 of all the key bindings in this game.0 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Wait for the best part.
You're playing a quest, and you have to gather some resources off the ground.
Then out of no where, some random player streaks in from out of no where , literally, and steals the resource you have to pick up that's right in front of you and you can't stop them because it's in PvE zones, they take it because they too are also doing the same quest.
How's that for common courtesy?
FANTASTIC right!!!!?
How did they get their first? Sounds like you were the one trying to steal their resource. Where do you think they came from? Where is this "out of nowhere" you speak of, because they did the same thing you did.
People need to get over themselves. Sometimes you will be farther from a resource and someone will get it before you. Deal with it. Stop telling others to be courteous while at the same time talking like a resource they were closer to belongs to you.
They are talking about quest items, not crafting nodes. Learn to read.
This "quest item pvp" is absolutely stupid and easily fixed. Hell, they have several quests where it is fixed so everybody can access the item without fighting other players for it, but this is not universal and it should be universal to all quests.
New quests where players have to fight for objectives are unforgivable.
Don't be obtuse. It doesn't matter if it is a quest item or resource. Courtesy was not an issue there. Everyone is trying to get the objects. Stop thinking you have some right to the item and people need to defer to you.
"Pot, meet kettle."
1) Everyone has a right to and NEEDS quest items. They are the most important items in the game as progression just stops without them, so the point is valid.
2) You assumed the original person you quoted meant "crafting nodes" when they obviously posted "playing a quest, and you have to gather some resources off the ground" which is obviously the quest item required.
I guarantee you that every other game I have ever played that is newer than the year 2001, does not make players fight for quest items. Every player gets the quest item they need without having to "wait their turn" or "pvp for it".
The only 2 mmo games I have played that have quest item pvp are Tibia, which fixed those issues eventually and is ancient in MMO terms since it started in the late 90s, and this backwards game called Elder Scrolls Online, as far as quest coding is concerned.
It's absolutely idiotic that an MMO which is designed to encourage cooperation among players to satisfy that "MMO reason for existence" is actively causing competitive anti-social behavior in areas outside of PVP.
Guess you've never played SWTOR
At least the quest item respawns are semi-fast here. It's still ridiculous they're not a permanent spawn for anyone doing the quest, though.
Dear Daggerfall peeps,
Please stop talking politics. Please. Seriously, just stop.0 -
Altaire✭✭✭Wow did this get off topic. few ideas on how to fix, but lot of complainer.
and bickering, is that a word?0 -
menathradiel✭✭✭✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »Androconium wrote: »
You do spell courtesy with a U in the UK. Just like armour, endeavour, glamour for example. Americans drop the U for some reason or other.
Also most of these things are essentially pet peeves, and not common courtesy at all.
I'm American and I spell "courtesy" the way I just did because that is how it is in the dictionary and how it looks and sounds right to me. If anything, it would be more logical to drop the "o" based on how it sounds.
We also spell "glamour" the same, but "armor" and "endeavor" look and sound better without the "u", which just seems like "high-falutin' holier-than-thou BS" because of the "u", and in those is completely silent in how we say it. It's like "Coldharbour" always looks funny to me, especially when the NPCs in games shorten it to just "the harbor".
Generally when seeking the difference between US and UK spelling, if there is a dropped "u" it is at the end of the word: behaviour/behavior; colour/color; neighbour/neighbor. I am hard pressed to think of an instance when the dropped u is at the beginning of the word, in fact I can't think of any where that is the case.Tank Girl0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SocialAssassin wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,
They can simply Unsummon it. Do they really need it activated in town? When I am in town I dismiss my flappy twilight It's pretty simple as that.
Same with my warden bear - I do not have him out most of the time, just when i think that I might not be able to handle a situation with my bow/blade and cliff racers. That bear is just annoying to me and other in a village and even in the wilderness the bear has a tendency to run into any trap nearby, instead to stay out of it, until I'ld get involved - but no, that bear triggers the trap and then I will be harassed by those NPCs as well and have to bail out my bear on top of it.0 -
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✭What I see happening a lot is that players will finish a quest or turn in a writ or something like that and then dive directly into their inventory or character sheet to deal with whatever they got. That alone isn't really a big deal, it's when that player is on a mount and/or has pets summoned that causes issues.
It's thoughtlessness like this that leads to the wasting of other players time, hence this discussion. The courteous and simple solution would be to move away from those direct areas of interaction before dealing with your personal stuffs. No add-ons needed, just move your ass out of the way, it takes less than a second.
Do you stand at the counter of McD.'s and stuff your fat lazy face with cheeseburger while people behind you are trying to order??? No, because you'd get your ass kicked.
Just because it's virtual space, doesn't make it any less of a shared space.0 -
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Fixed it for you.What I see happening a lot is that players will finish a quest or turn in a writ or something like that and then dive directly into their inventory or character sheet to deal with whatever they got. That alone isn't really a big deal, it's when that player is on a mount and/or has pets summoned that causes issues.
It's thoughtlessness excessive sensitivity like this that leads to the wasting of other players time, hence this discussion. The courteous and simple solution would be to move away from those direct areas of interaction before dealing with your personal stuffs. No add-ons needed, just move your ass out of the way, it takes less than a second.
Do you stand at the counter of McD.'s and stuff your fat lazy face with cheeseburger while people behind you are trying to order??? No, because you'd get your ass kicked.
Just because it's virtual space, doesn't make it any less of a shared space.
Some of you need to seriously harden up. How do you manage to walk out the door into the wide open world, really?
No interactions are blocked - ever. Your UI from said interactions (including questgivers, as above), render at the top most level of your screen - (translation: It's impossible for something to ever be in front of your camera in that instance.)
Distractions (flappy wings, someone with inventory open, a pet, naked dancers) may render in the background (which is also blurred, to help soften the impact of such things).
In regard to your IRL reference, I've had plenty of people move forward merely half a car length in the drive through, presumably to verify their order. It is worth losing my *** mind over it each time, explaining the courtesy ass kicking I was trying to provide? Hardly.
Do WTF you've gotta do, go to another instance to do it, come back later to do it, or just move on.
Most of this is so flippin' minor in the grand scheme of things, if it affects your gameplay that drastically, you should probably just stop now and stick to single player.
FFS.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS1 -
vometia✭✭✭
I'll usually manoeuvre my character out of the way automatically, it's not something I'd need to think about. Of course having said that I'll now forget to do so in an incredibly conspicuous manner and everyone will say "Vom is such an arse".It's thoughtlessness like this that leads to the wasting of other players time, hence this discussion. The courteous and simple solution would be to move away from those direct areas of interaction before dealing with your personal stuffs. No add-ons needed, just move your ass out of the way, it takes less than a second.
Do you stand at the counter of McD.'s and stuff your fat lazy face with cheeseburger while people behind you are trying to order??? No, because you'd get your ass kicked.
I have seen people do that sort of thing IRL too. Unfortunately they don't get their arse kicked so people just get silently annoyed while trying to work around the culprit who's variously chomping and dribbling whilst obliviously standing in everyone's way.
I suspect if that's what they wanted to say, that's what they would've said. I mean you get some people accusing others of "entitlement" simply because they get irked at a repeated failure of others to say please and thank you. Though I guess the response to that is that word doesn't seem to mean what they think it means: I think it's not unreasonable that people might expect a reasonable basic standard of conduct. An exaggerated sense of entitlement seems to describe those who think they aren't obliged to oblige.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Fixed it for you.
Some of you need to seriously harden up. [...]0