Common Courtesy

SocialAssassin

Lol! I am sure this going to be a most interesting discussion

Today I wanted to talk to you about a little thing called common courtesy. I know there are a lot of people that play this game. And that means a lot of overcrowding in this game. And I know some gamers out there are Self-entitled, to say the least. So have the decency when playing ESO to stay out others people ways when doing quests. Especially when trying to see story content. I personally hate when some random player is just standing there and either loitering or "blocking traffic" yes you're allowed to stand anywhere you, please. But seriously do it elsewhere. It's like when you're trying to watch TV and someone walks right in front of you. It's annoying, to say the least. I thank you

VaranisArano

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

redspecter23

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

Death to all Flappy Flaps! Especially when they hang out in multiples near crafting stations and writ turnin locations.

Merenwen_812

Unsummon pets add on has become my best friend. I am one that likes to unsummon my pets in town or when urn farming. I know others pets getting in the way irritates me so dismissing them is top priority to me, and this add on is a godsend (and sad it isn't naturally in game).

forwardbias83

Should make it so that the pets go into a vanish type mode when not in combat, even for the player that has the pet if they choose to through a toggle to hide their own pet. And an indication that the pet is active even if you don't see it by illuminating the skill on the hot bar. Have it light up, say green, indicating that the pet is summoned and active, you just don't see it as you are not in combat.

RubyWarfare

Hmmm...I am very, very good at complaining. So here are a bunch of things I personally find rude, not necessarily in any particular order:

1: Not dismissing your flappy twilights when dealing with crafting or the bank.
2: Mudballing strangers outside of the event that demands mudballing. The same goes for spamming any other sort of emote on others like that bird thing. I forget what the bird one is called.
3: Gloating in any form is rude, but most especially teabagging. This is beyond rude.
4: Dueling in the middle of town, especially right next to a wayshrine.
5: Sweeping in and stealing a chest when someone is struggling to open it.
6: Telling someone they suck as a player and tossing "L2P" letters at them instead of offering constructive criticism as to how one could improve.
7: Kicking someone from a party before giving them a chance.

I probably could go on and on and on. I am easily annoyed and whiny, but this should do for now.

SocialAssassin

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

They can simply Unsummon it. Do they really need it activated in town? When I am in town I dismiss my flappy twilight It's pretty simple as that.

Sylvermynx

SocialAssassin wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

They can simply Unsummon it. Do they really need it activated in town? When I am in town I dismiss my flappy. It's pretty simple as that.

This. I have a Sorc. She dismisses her summon when she's headed for town. It's SO annoying to have twilights in your face at the wayshrine, the bank, the crafting stations.... Pretty much the first thing I noticed about this game's players.... SO annoying. So are the ones who pack the bank in Vivec while mounted.

SocialAssassin

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

They can simply Unsummon it. Do they really need it activated in town? When I am in town I dismiss my flappy. It's pretty simple as that.

This. I have a Sorc. She dismisses her summon when she's headed for town. It's SO annoying to have twilights in your face at the wayshrine, the bank, the crafting stations.... Pretty much the first thing I noticed about this game's players.... SO annoying. So are the ones who pack the bank in Vivec while mounted.

I wish ESO would make towns "dead zones" so to speak. Where you can't summon, duel, etc.. basically you walk into a town and your twilight gets automatically dismissed. "sigh" that would be so nice

Sylvermynx

SocialAssassin wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

They can simply Unsummon it. Do they really need it activated in town? When I am in town I dismiss my flappy. It's pretty simple as that.

This. I have a Sorc. She dismisses her summon when she's headed for town. It's SO annoying to have twilights in your face at the wayshrine, the bank, the crafting stations.... Pretty much the first thing I noticed about this game's players.... SO annoying. So are the ones who pack the bank in Vivec while mounted.

I wish ESO would make towns "dead zones" so to speak. Where you can't summon, duel, etc.. basically you walk into a town and your twilight gets automatically dismissed. "sigh" that would be so nice

Yes. It would. The biggest issue I have is that for some reason the "viable click zone" for things like bankers, crafting stations etc. seems to be pretty small, and sometimes even moving into first-person (I HATE first-person) doesn't help....

SocialAssassin

RubyWarfare wrote: »

Hmmm...I am very, very good at complaining. So here are a bunch of things I personally find rude, not necessarily in any particular order:

1: Not dismissing your flappy twilights when dealing with crafting or the bank.
2: Mudballing strangers outside of the event that demands mudballing. The same goes for spamming any other sort of emote on others like that bird thing. I forget what the bird one is called.
3: Gloating in any form is rude, but most especially teabagging. This is beyond rude.
4: Dueling in the middle of town, especially right next to a wayshrine.
5: Sweeping in and stealing a chest when someone is struggling to open it.
6: Telling someone they suck as a player and tossing "L2P" letters at them instead of offering constructive criticism as to how one could improve.
7: Kicking someone from a party before giving them a chance.

I probably could go on and on and on. I am easily annoyed and whiny, but this should do for now.

I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

redspecter23

VaranisArano wrote: »

I get mildly annoyed by flappy sorc twilights being in my face. But there's not something the sorc can control easily,

Death to all Flappy Flaps! Especially when they hang out in multiples near crafting stations and writ turnin locations.

SocialAssassin wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

Hmmm...I am very, very good at complaining. So here are a bunch of things I personally find rude, not necessarily in any particular order:

1: Not dismissing your flappy twilights when dealing with crafting or the bank.
2: Mudballing strangers outside of the event that demands mudballing. The same goes for spamming any other sort of emote on others like that bird thing. I forget what the bird one is called.
3: Gloating in any form is rude, but most especially teabagging. This is beyond rude.
4: Dueling in the middle of town, especially right next to a wayshrine.
5: Sweeping in and stealing a chest when someone is struggling to open it.
6: Telling someone they suck as a player and tossing "L2P" letters at them instead of offering constructive criticism as to how one could improve.
7: Kicking someone from a party before giving them a chance.

I probably could go on and on and on. I am easily annoyed and whiny, but this should do for now.

I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Back when the game was new, pets has collision turned on. You can't believe how horrible that was when a sorc decided they needed to stand in a doorway. If they ever decided to collectively get together, they could have seriously trolled some people.

RubyWarfare

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Ah yes, the door thing! There might actually be a chance they ARE pretending to be guards or something due to RP, but the chance of that is very, very slim. You made me remember some buffoon who was blocking the entrance to the kitchen in Craglorn by summoning their merchant assistant and parking her right there. Alas, the merchant is NOT intangible, and this person took sadistic delight in ignoring people's pleas to move her. Fortunately I discovered that I could dodge roll right past her and get into the room, but it was quite annoying. So yes, I could imagine if they weren't, and it makes me grateful that they aren't.

SocialAssassin

RubyWarfare wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Ah yes, the door thing! There might actually be a chance they ARE pretending to be guards or something due to RP, but the chance of that is very, very slim. You made me remember some buffoon who was blocking the entrance to the kitchen in Craglorn by summoning their merchant assistant and parking her right there. Alas, the merchant is NOT intangible, and this person took sadistic delight in ignoring people's pleas to move her. Fortunately I discovered that I could dodge roll right past her and get into the room, but it was quite annoying. So yes, I could imagine if they weren't, and it makes me grateful that they aren't.

Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

redspecter23

SocialAssassin wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Ah yes, the door thing! There might actually be a chance they ARE pretending to be guards or something due to RP, but the chance of that is very, very slim. You made me remember some buffoon who was blocking the entrance to the kitchen in Craglorn by summoning their merchant assistant and parking her right there. Alas, the merchant is NOT intangible, and this person took sadistic delight in ignoring people's pleas to move her. Fortunately I discovered that I could dodge roll right past her and get into the room, but it was quite annoying. So yes, I could imagine if they weren't, and it makes me grateful that they aren't.

Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

My assumption would be that they are just afk and that's where they chose to stop. The reason I don't see it as trolling in many cases is that the number of people they would actually be trolling with this behavior is likely very small as I'd imagine the vast majority of players just ignore someone standing in a doorway and keep walking through. I'm not saying it's not possible they are trolling, it's just that there are much better ways to do that if that is the intention.

SocialAssassin

redspecter23 wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Ah yes, the door thing! There might actually be a chance they ARE pretending to be guards or something due to RP, but the chance of that is very, very slim. You made me remember some buffoon who was blocking the entrance to the kitchen in Craglorn by summoning their merchant assistant and parking her right there. Alas, the merchant is NOT intangible, and this person took sadistic delight in ignoring people's pleas to move her. Fortunately I discovered that I could dodge roll right past her and get into the room, but it was quite annoying. So yes, I could imagine if they weren't, and it makes me grateful that they aren't.

Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

My assumption would be that they are just afk and that's where they chose to stop. The reason I don't see it as trolling in many cases is that the number of people they would actually be trolling with this behavior is likely very small as I'd imagine the vast majority of players just ignore someone standing in a doorway and keep walking through. I'm not saying it's not possible they are trolling, it's just that there are much better ways to do that if that is the intention.

Fair enough but It's still annoying. And besides, they can AFK anywhere why in front of doors? I personally don't so why do they specifically choose that?

Kikke

People stands in doors because why not? if you move from A too B, and you suddenly get called on, you will leave your character a place between A and B, it's not like you're going out of your way too place the character somewhere else before you go, right?

RubyWarfare

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

It is possible it is trolling, but as others have said it is more likely just people going afk and not taking the time to move their character to a better location.

Sylvermynx

kikkehs wrote: »

People stands in doors because why not? if you move from A too B, and you suddenly get called on, you will leave your character a place between A and B, it's not like you're going out of your way too place the character somewhere else before you go, right?

? I move my girls somewhere if I have to do something IRL - like OUT the door of the bank into the open space.... Yep. Common courtesy.

Minyassa

SocialAssassin wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Ah yes, the door thing! There might actually be a chance they ARE pretending to be guards or something due to RP, but the chance of that is very, very slim. You made me remember some buffoon who was blocking the entrance to the kitchen in Craglorn by summoning their merchant assistant and parking her right there. Alas, the merchant is NOT intangible, and this person took sadistic delight in ignoring people's pleas to move her. Fortunately I discovered that I could dodge roll right past her and get into the room, but it was quite annoying. So yes, I could imagine if they weren't, and it makes me grateful that they aren't.

Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

My assumption would be that they are just afk and that's where they chose to stop. The reason I don't see it as trolling in many cases is that the number of people they would actually be trolling with this behavior is likely very small as I'd imagine the vast majority of players just ignore someone standing in a doorway and keep walking through. I'm not saying it's not possible they are trolling, it's just that there are much better ways to do that if that is the intention.

Fair enough but It's still annoying. And besides, they can AFK anywhere why in front of doors? I personally don't so why do they specifically choose that?

I occasionally go afk for a bio or a bottle of water while I'm in a load screen, if I'm somewhere that's going to be safe, and never thought about whether it was in a doorway because no collision. It's never occurred to me that it might look forbidding. Huh.

SocialAssassin

RubyWarfare wrote: »

SocialAssassin wrote: »

[quote="Okay so why do you think they stand in front of doorways? I personally see it as trolling. How do you see it?

It is possible it is trolling, but as others have said it is more likely just people going afk and not taking the time to move their character to a better location.

Okay so there basically being lazy but again I take the time. Common Courtesy

Ostacia

^same....if I'm going through a door, sometimes it lags and I go get a coffee.

SocialAssassin

Wintergreen wrote: »

^same....if I'm going through a door, sometimes it lags and I go get a coffee.

Fair enough

Kikke

now this thread has gone into you're opinions about what people should do, and not a topic about COMMON courtesy.

Cya.

Donari

Minyassa wrote: »

I occasionally go afk for a bio or a bottle of water while I'm in a load screen, if I'm somewhere that's going to be safe, and never thought about whether it was in a doorway because no collision. It's never occurred to me that it might look forbidding. Huh.

This. Load screens are super long here, so I will pop out of the room to do something like bio, stretch, feed the cats. That doesn't mean I'll be in front of the door for fifteen minutes, but I could definitely be standing there at the moment someone comes up to go through and they won't know how short a time I've been there.

Sylvermynx

Eh, since I've already seen that load screens are.... um.... LONG - I move my girls somewhere out of the way BEFORE going to do whatever.

That's the courteous thing to do. I don't ever want to be in the way of anything. And it certainly isn't a huge issue.

Celeste411

If I’m just standing in front of the door it means I’ve been stuck in an ‘unusually’ long load screen and have gone off to cook an eight course meal or scrub the entire roof with a toothbrush

jainiadral

TIL, you can unsummon your twilights/clannfears... I'm at CP 196, and I've been dying to unsummon them since I first got the abilities I thought they had to die in combat to get rid of them.

Apologies to everyone at every bank/crafting station/doorway/anywhere in the universe, but especially Daggerfall.

I swear, this game is clear as mud sometimes!

If you're a clueless n00b like me, here's how you do it:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269803/is-there-a-way-to-unsummon-your-familiar

DaveMoeDee

SocialAssassin wrote: »

RubyWarfare wrote: »

Hmmm...I am very, very good at complaining. So here are a bunch of things I personally find rude, not necessarily in any particular order:

1: Not dismissing your flappy twilights when dealing with crafting or the bank.
2: Mudballing strangers outside of the event that demands mudballing. The same goes for spamming any other sort of emote on others like that bird thing. I forget what the bird one is called.
3: Gloating in any form is rude, but most especially teabagging. This is beyond rude.
4: Dueling in the middle of town, especially right next to a wayshrine.
5: Sweeping in and stealing a chest when someone is struggling to open it.
6: Telling someone they suck as a player and tossing "L2P" letters at them instead of offering constructive criticism as to how one could improve.
7: Kicking someone from a party before giving them a chance.

I probably could go on and on and on. I am easily annoyed and whiny, but this should do for now.

I agree with everything on your list 100% but what I hate more than anything is when people stand in front of doors and stuff. Are they pretending that they are guards or something? And you know it absolutely intentional so it's a good thing that players are intangible. Could you imagine if they weren't

Why does it matter where players stand? The key to interact with people is different from the key to use the door.

Sylvermynx

No worries. Sometimes, you know, being new is really great, because you go read EVERYTHING you can find about the game. I've done that with every game I've ever played (eh - lots easier now with google for sure!) since the very first one: Stonegate - back when I was on a Xerox dos machine, and anything about the machine or games etc tended to be sent by mail (er - um - postal service as in snail mail) on mimeographed pages - nope, not kidding.... first computer in 1984, first CRPG in early 1985.

Believe me when I say: 1 - I am forever grateful for my early machines and experiences; 2 - I will forever wish that computers had been available the way they are now when I was in my 20s; 3 - I'm VERY happy with the state of digitally available information today.

Yep. My only real regret is that I was years too early to truly buy into the digital age. Eh, it's one of those things that's happened over and over throughout my life: I'm either way too early with ideas - or way too late.

jainiadral

Sylvermynx wrote: »

No worries. Sometimes, you know, being new is really great, because you go read EVERYTHING you can find about the game. I've done that with every game I've ever played (eh - lots easier now with google for sure!) since the very first one: Stonegate - back when I was on a Xerox dos machine, and anything about the machine or games etc tended to be sent by mail (er - um - postal service as in snail mail) on mimeographed pages - nope, not kidding.... first computer in 1984, first CRPG in early 1985.

Believe me when I say: 1 - I am forever grateful for my early machines and experiences; 2 - I will forever wish that computers had been available the way they are now when I was in my 20s; 3 - I'm VERY happy with the state of digitally available information today.

Yep. My only real regret is that I was years too early to truly buy into the digital age. Eh, it's one of those things that's happened over and over throughout my life: I'm either way too early with ideas - or way too late.

Thanks I'm totally feeling like a dork, though. Still, learning this has been awesome! I'm imagining how much better every single NPC conversation I'll have from now on will be now that their heads won't be clipped by the twilight's wings and tail-- or the clannfear's head.

One of these days I'll understand what's interactive on these menus and what isn't... Eventually. Guess I'm now spending my first twenty minutes today logged in mousing over every single part of every menu just to see what I'm missing Probably 90% of the game...