Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@ZarkingFrued , ironically, he's saying that the one selling the Crowns is Paying2Win...ZarkingFrued wrote: »S1ipperyJim wrote: »Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.
It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.
Can you elaborate on how cosmetics are P2W?
Take a minute to wrap your head around that one.
(Purchased gear, purchased mats, hell, even purchased carries are not going to magically make you awesome at this game.)
smh
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Uh.... if anything, being able to buy Crown items for gold makes the game LESS "pay 2 win". Because someone who didn't pay $, can get the things in the cash shop.
P2W is when the game has stuff that 1) you can ONLY get by dropping cash, which 2) gives you an otherwise-unobtainable advantage over non-$ players.
Open-world/Free-for-all/take your victim's gear PvP MMOs where you can get "insurance" against getting your stuff stolen, but only with $. Games where to be competitive you need your gear upgraded to "+15", but the only way to do that is with piles of $upgrade $consumables. Games where they just straight out sell stronger gear in the cash shop.
ESO is none of these things. And again, opening up crown items to be obtained by anyone for gold takes it further away from that.
98% of the stuff on the crown store you cannot obtain in game, it is many of those things
*** snipped *** Please explain what advantage I've gained because my character is riding a black lion senche instead of a horse you could only buy with gold in the game. *** end snip ***
I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »I actually like this...I wish they would let us buy ESO+ packs with crowns so we can trade and use those packs or sell em via guild store...much like Aion has/had...
S1ipperyJim wrote: »Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.
However ZOS have spinelessly decided to remain silent when asked to confirm that this is against the TOS or not, despite multiple requests for a statement from them, including @ messages to Gina Bruno etc on these forums.
It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.
that's not true. they gave the okay. you must have missed it. they also said to take screenshots of the contracts in case of scams because then Customer Service might be able to help, which i thought seemed generous and like a lot to take on. someone will have the link soon, i'm sure.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Uh.... if anything, being able to buy Crown items for gold makes the game LESS "pay 2 win". Because someone who didn't pay $, can get the things in the cash shop.
P2W is when the game has stuff that 1) you can ONLY get by dropping cash, which 2) gives you an otherwise-unobtainable advantage over non-$ players.
Open-world/Free-for-all/take your victim's gear PvP MMOs where you can get "insurance" against getting your stuff stolen, but only with $. Games where to be competitive you need your gear upgraded to "+15", but the only way to do that is with piles of $upgrade $consumables. Games where they just straight out sell stronger gear in the cash shop.
ESO is none of these things. And again, opening up crown items to be obtained by anyone for gold takes it further away from that.
98% of the stuff on the crown store you cannot obtain in game, it is many of those things
You can't get the stuff in game. Please explain what advantage I've gained because my character is riding a black lion senche instead of a horse you could only buy with gold in the game. Before they started the "get a horse at level 10" system. Pay to win is buying items that give you an advantage you can't get any other way. Don't say riding lessons; those you can get in game with gold and time. What do I win if, temporarily, my mount is faster than yours? My character is wearing the Thane costume from the crown store. What kind of advantage does it give me? I'm planning on getting stuff from the upcoming crown store, if the mounts and pets I want to buy aren't in the rng/gamble boxes. Will any of them give my character the overwhelming advantage I need to make Emperor? Or make my character uber leet enough to breeze through Maelstrom Area and get the weapons I want?
And you know, no matter how much gold I could accumulate by spending RL money for crowns and gifting for gold, all the gold in the game will still NOT give me/my character the skills/abilities to be emperor or make the leaderboards.
Chicharron wrote: »S1ipperyJim wrote: »Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.
However ZOS have spinelessly decided to remain silent when asked to confirm that this is against the TOS or not, despite multiple requests for a statement from them, including @ messages to Gina Bruno etc on these forums.
It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.
that's not true. they gave the okay. you must have missed it. they also said to take screenshots of the contracts in case of scams because then Customer Service might be able to help, which i thought seemed generous and like a lot to take on. someone will have the link soon, i'm sure.
It's half true.
A player tried to scam me for 500k gold in my alternate account. Luckily record the whole process report the player speak to support and this they said.
I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.