Group Finder: You can now queue up as one role only
jaschacasadiob16_ESO
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According to the patch notes, you will be able to queue up only as one role, not all of them. Developers comment stated this is to solve the unrest in the community caused by people queueing up as something they are not.
How does tis solve the problem of someone queueing up as tank/healer, anyway?
How does tis solve the problem of someone queueing up as tank/healer, anyway?
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't solve the issue because you just can't check automatically if a player is willing to perform the role. It makes identifying the ones who don't easier though - no more "accidental" queuing because you need to deliberately select it.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.7 -
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✭✭✭✭It solves nothing, I will still queue as healer to get faster into dungeon
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timb16_ESO85✭✭✭✭jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »
How does tis solve the problem of someone queueing up as tank/healer, anyway?
It doesn't resolve it. It just hides the fact that the game offers no good way to switch between dps/tank/heal on short notice (between finder popup and teleport) by requiring you to only pick one role and stick with it. People will still queue as fake tank or healer because "who needs healz, just DPS everything".9 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont see the solution either.
And im sure some of us Qed as 2 and could do 2 in the normal content..."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
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✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Need a minimum health or magic requirement to queue as a tank or healer.
That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.PC - EU:
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Okay, fine. Only a health requirement for the tank role then.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Need a minimum health or magic requirement to queue as a tank or healer.
That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.5 -
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This, I was in one dungeon recently there we was two healers, me and another, he had marked both healer and DD and probably queued as both, he was put in front of queue again and entered as DD. He switched gear so not fake and run was smooth, but it was no reason for him to double queue, he could just queue as healer and he would heal the next group.It doesn't solve the issue because you just can't check automatically if a player is willing to perform the role. It makes identifying the ones who don't easier though - no more "accidental" queuing because you need to deliberately select it.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Seri✭✭✭✭
Health requirement of how much though? My magplar (healer main) is perfectly capable of (and has successfully) healed and tanked all of the vet base dungeons just by changing gear, and is self sufficient enough (when tanking) to not require much attention from the healer either, with a lazy 22k health.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Okay, fine. Only a health requirement for the tank role then.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Need a minimum health or magic requirement to queue as a tank or healer.
That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.EP CP160+ Templar, Sorc, NB
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mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭At least there will be i lil less of mess. Yesterday my PUG has 3 healers, two tanks and two dd.Edited by mocap on July 11, 2018 12:15PM3 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭I really don't see the point. Fake tanks will still queue as tanks for insta-pop queues regardless... Multi-role choice was useful on normals when you're templar/warden because it's easy to heal by just swapping a skill or two.Edited by Nevasca on July 11, 2018 12:44PM3 -
ceil420✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »I dont see the solution either.
And im sure some of us Qed as 2 and could do 2 in the normal content...
Indeed. Even I have a character that can go through normal content as either DPS or Heals.
This change is such bs, and neither of the official reasons given are accurate. Restricting people to queue as one role will slow down group forming, not speed it up. And people will still tick Tank or Heals alone if they're not getting a fast enough pop when queued as DPS. Sure, they might get kicked if they can't actually fulfill that role, but then they might not - particularly in normal content where groups may not need a dedicated Tank or Healer anyway, so the abuse of the system will continue.
This does nothing but hurt those of us that actually are flexible in the roles we can play, and are having our own options artificially limited so ZoS can say they're doing something about a really minor issue.
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Health requirement of how much though? My magplar (healer main) is perfectly capable of (and has successfully) healed and tanked all of the vet base dungeons just by changing gear, and is self sufficient enough (when tanking) to not require much attention from the healer either, with a lazy 22k health.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Okay, fine. Only a health requirement for the tank role then.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Need a minimum health or magic requirement to queue as a tank or healer.
That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.
Yup my nightblade does all 3 roles, even when tanking I rarely go above 30k health.@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't see it solving the issue completely but I'm fine with it as a first step and as a way to add some accountability to players. You know exactly what role you'll be playing when you get in. I think some fake tanks and healers held out hope they would get in as dps when queueing as all 3. This combined with the ability to be pulled through many situations anyway led to a sort of safety blanket for fake role queuers. This change removes some of that safety blanket but it's not enough to completely put an end to the issue.6 -
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I queue as tank even if i'm dps, but i slot a taunt, i taunt and pack everything, I don't die and it's faster, I will never understand why some groups don't like that.3 -
ceil420✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I don't see it solving the issue completely but I'm fine with it as a first step and as a way to add some accountability to players. You know exactly what role you'll be playing when you get in. I think some fake tanks and healers held out hope they would get in as dps when queueing as all 3. This combined with the ability to be pulled through many situations anyway led to a sort of safety blanket for fake role queuers. This change removes some of that safety blanket but it's not enough to completely put an end to the issue.
Yeah, you can work out roles with the group when you get in the zone - but if I main a Heals but I can still hold my own as a DPS, why are you taking that choice away from me?
I think a better solution would be to have requirements in place for ticking Tank or Heals (such as having spent skill points in taunting/protection or healing abilities, etc). Absolutely no reason to restrict players from having the option to queue as more than one role when they've got characters that can legitimately do more.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I hope you guys like Vigor because that's all you're going to get from this "healer"
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dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭It won't solve anything because people are still pretty selfish.
DDs joining as Healers should at least equip a Resto staff back bar.
DDs joining as Tanks should at least equip a Shield and a Taunt and not stand in sh*t.
That isnt too much to ask.
For 90% of the dungeon you can go full Damage destruction derby. But there are some Bosses that are just easier when held in place, with some healing springs to help things along.
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I don't see it solving the issue completely but I'm fine with it as a first step and as a way to add some accountability to players. You know exactly what role you'll be playing when you get in. I think some fake tanks and healers held out hope they would get in as dps when queueing as all 3. This combined with the ability to be pulled through many situations anyway led to a sort of safety blanket for fake role queuers. This change removes some of that safety blanket but it's not enough to completely put an end to the issue.
Yeah, you can work out roles with the group when you get in the zone - but if I main a Heals but I can still hold my own as a DPS, why are you taking that choice away from me?
I think a better solution would be to have requirements in place for ticking Tank or Heals (such as having spent skill points in taunting/protection or healing abilities, etc). Absolutely no reason to restrict players from having the option to queue as more than one role when they've got characters that can legitimately do more.
I think a good second step to the process would be to add a queue "progress bar" for each of the three roles. For instance, the dps queue might be at 2 bars. healer queue at 1 bar and tank queue empty. If you can legit queue as all three roles, then you don't have to choose all three. You know that if you queue as tank, you will get in immediately. You kinda know this already, but there is no visual indicator. If this information is known and displayed to a player that can fill more than one role, he can simply choose the one with the shortest queue, which is the entire reason one would queue multiple roles to begin with anyway.Edited by redspecter23 on July 11, 2018 1:07PM1 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Wait what? So I can't queue as healer/dps or even all three at the same time?
If so that seems very counterproductive. I've been queuing as healer/dps the past couple days and for whatever reason kept getting in as a DPS...which is fine by me, but this feels like it'll unnecessarily extend queue times.3 -
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Health requirement of how much though? My magplar (healer main) is perfectly capable of (and has successfully) healed and tanked all of the vet base dungeons just by changing gear, and is self sufficient enough (when tanking) to not require much attention from the healer either, with a lazy 22k health.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Okay, fine. Only a health requirement for the tank role then.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Need a minimum health or magic requirement to queue as a tank or healer.
That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.
Valid point. I’ve tanked vFL and vSP successfully on my 15k health sorc with no healer support. Stats are not always tied to ability to perform a role.
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remilafo✭✭✭✭It's a bad idea..
I often queue as all three well because i can actually do all three and have various gear sets for that purpose.
Tanks may be more rare.
Most if not all Mag DD also have a heal spec.
Most if not all Stam DD have a tank spec...
forcing one role is a dumb idea.2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's a bad idea..
I often queue as all three well because i can actually do all three and have various gear sets for that purpose.
Tanks may be more rare.
Most if not all Mag DD also have a heal spec.
Most if not all Stam DD have a tank spec...
forcing one role is a dumb idea.
I think it’s a great idea. Choose your single role and queue.
When you multiqueue, do people wait around for you to swap your gear and skills?
I’ve seen far too many multiqueue people that can’t really do any of the three roles chosen.5 -
remilafo✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »It's a bad idea..
I often queue as all three well because i can actually do all three and have various gear sets for that purpose.
Tanks may be more rare.
Most if not all Mag DD also have a heal spec.
Most if not all Stam DD have a tank spec...
forcing one role is a dumb idea.
I think it’s a great idea. Choose your single role and queue.
When you multiqueue, do people wait around for you to swap your gear and skills?
I’ve seen far too many multiqueue people that can’t really do any of the three roles chosen.
With the right addon swapping roles\gear\action bars happens in one click. Maybe that point has validity on console but not for pc.
As for performance of players well that is case by case isnt it. Im sure there are some bad everything out there but there are also people who can solo vet dungeons. Im one of them.
Restricting role selection at minimum will increase queue time, thats just math. Not opinion.3 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭It solves nothing, I will still queue as healer to get faster into dungeon
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!10 -
ceil420✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!16
