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Sorcs are no longer OP
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Jameliel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »As usual, this is a PvP centered complaint and nerf. My mag sorc is PvE oriented, does not and never did use rune cage, and could not care less [snip]
That player killed me, nerf him, or
I can't kill that player, nerf him.
Same old story. [snip]
I'm a PvPer and couldn't agree more.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:15PM2 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭webrgesner wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »5 second stun is the problem. Also unblockable/Undodgable.
The only way people are going to stop complaining about sorc and make them FAIR is by putting stun back on the frag and removing undodgeable/blockable stun by them
As i Said, if they remove the unblockable/Undodgable part, they need to change the whole skill. Because there would be no point to use that instead reach ( even without master destro staff )
Thats why they should bring back stun on frags. And i main a magsorc and i use streak for stun when 1vxing.
I personally feel rune cage is cheap and OP.
just stop with the " Cheap ", What do you compare this skill with to say that it is cheap ? Fossilize ? Because i asked to a guild mate ( Magicka DK pvp ) his Fossilize cost 2 125 magicka while rune cage cost 2 945 magicka.
if they bring back stun on frags it won't solve the issue about rune cage. they can't destroy a morph and buff another skill, they will never solve the class balance issue by doing that.0 -
Zoal_AUG✭✭✭Well to be honest the real emphasis is not on rune cage itself its rather on a class that has access to an unavoidable dmg that explodes twice over time and only way to get rid of it is purge which not everyone has access to, then an unavoidable execute that sticks on the player for 4 seconds without requiering any special effort from the sorc at last phase and pair all this with for example meteor which also sticks to the target and on top of that an unblockable undodgable unavoidable cc...this is where the problem lies.
Im not defending anything here but you need to know what youre talking about so I'll explain a few things.
Curse exploding ''twice over time'' is irrelevant because no good sorc would wait for the second explosion which takes 8.5 seconds.
Mage's Fury isnt unavoidable (isnt suppose to be at least) you can dodge the initial attack and the execute debuff when they fix it.
Meteor doesnt stick to its target but stays on the ground.
Dont try to nerf 4 skills because 1 skill is overperforming. The real problem lies in spreading false information and easily believing it because it fits your bias
U also need to know what you are talking about but for that before you need to read what other ppl say and understand it.
Not just assume that jsut becuz there is 1 aspect overperforming now everyone wants to overnerf everything. Keep your curse and meteor as it is I dont give a damn you wont win fight with it against someone who knows what he is doing as long as you cannot time all of them together with an unavoidable cc.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unblockable/Undodgable I can live with.
Damage was fine the way it was.
Not 5s though.
Not 40m though.
Change to:
3s
14m
That's all I have for input.4 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Unblockable/Undodgable I can live with.
Damage was fine the way it was.
Not 5s though.
Not 40m though.
Change to:
3s
14m
That's all I have for input.
Ranged class is ranged.
If they nerf gap closers to 5m (melee class is melee) then Ok.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Hahahaha! Love it! Can we have someone that actually plays the game be in charge of class balance? What's next? Shortening the stun duration? LolEdited by Strider__Roshin on July 10, 2018 1:23AM2 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Unblockable/Undodgable I can live with.
Damage was fine the way it was.
Not 5s though.
Not 40m though.
Change to:
3s
14m
That's all I have for input.
Ranged class is ranged.
If they nerf gap closers to 5m (melee class is melee) then Ok.
Okay 20m then. Ranged stays...ranged.0 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who cares? Still the same old boring skills from 5 years ago finding new ways to complain about them.
Edited by Caligamy_ESO on July 10, 2018 1:14AMlove is love1 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandonv516 wrote: »Unblockable/Undodgable I can live with.
Damage was fine the way it was.
Not 5s though.
Not 40m though.
Change to:
3s
14m
That's all I have for input.
Ranged class is ranged.
If they nerf gap closers to 5m (melee class is melee) then Ok.
If that's your logic then I want ranged attacks to behave like ranged attacks, no homing on targets, you actually have to aim, and predict enemy movement with projectiles since you can spam them from safety, and I should be able to sidestep them if I see them coming instead of dodgerolling or relying on evasion mechanics, quick tap of the WASD and their null.
How bout dat?
You up for it? Doubtful.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stop with the stupid range strawman arguments, kids.
Sorc is designed to be a ranged nuker, what do you expect? How about you melee folks get the range on gapclosers nerfed so you actually have to keep close-ranged?
Seriously, when a sword can lunge 25 metres across Cyrodiil, you shouldn't complain about a 40 meter staff stun.
You mean the gap closers that don’t work on anyone anymore ?
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »As usual, this is a PvP centered complaint and nerf. My mag sorc is PvE oriented, does not and never did use rune cage, and could not care less [snip]
That player killed me, nerf him, or
I can't kill that player, nerf him.
Same old story. [snip]
You’d be crying about pve if everything was able to do unavoidable stun followed by insta death
PvE is by far easier
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:17PM1 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭What about the pitful 10 m scattershot and its morphs in bow skill line?Edited by JobooAGS on July 10, 2018 3:25AM5 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Sorcs haven't been OP in forever. They could take every skill from a sorc except Streak, and posts like this would still litter the forums.
Forever since when? You mean before ic when they had 40k shields or when the shields lasted 20 secs?2 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭I use defensive rune so for me is the same. I would only like to see more love to sorcerers in other things... like sets or skills that could be improved.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stop with the stupid range strawman arguments, kids.
Sorc is designed to be a ranged nuker, what do you expect? How about you melee folks get the range on gapclosers nerfed so you actually have to keep close-ranged?
Seriously, when a sword can lunge 25 metres across Cyrodiil, you shouldn't complain about a 40 meter staff stun.
You mean the gap closers that don’t work on anyone anymore ?
Oh, please. They work just fine.
Shall I tell you stories about Streak?3 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »I’m not even a ‘good’ sorc—I just do him once a day for the BG reward and the writs. But man, I routinely end up with 10+ to 0 kill ratios just from shield stacking, endless fury and rune cage spam (and heavy attacking with Sload’s, if we’re being honest.) It really is a faceroll class.
Well at least you're not a shield stacking pet sorc using sload's + knightslayer + iceheart + oblivion and disease glyphs spamming rune cage and fury. Phew, you almost made me worried there!2 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stop with the stupid range strawman arguments, kids.
Sorc is designed to be a ranged nuker, what do you expect? How about you melee folks get the range on gapclosers nerfed so you actually have to keep close-ranged?
Seriously, when a sword can lunge 25 metres across Cyrodiil, you shouldn't complain about a 40 meter staff stun.
You forgot the part where it doesn't require a staff to use and a stam sorc can use it. In fact,rune cage is infinitely better on a stam sorc built for movement speed if they know how to use it. Guaranteed you won't touch them if they run out of range from all of your skills. Haven't encountered one yet? You will soon enough...1 -
Zodiac_✭✭✭Yeah....sorcs arent op....thats why pvp population is 50% sorcs 40 % stam nb 10% rest
It is like that cause people try to support the weakest class in game
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »Wolfenbelle wrote: »As usual, this is a PvP centered complaint and nerf. My mag sorc is PvE oriented, does not and never did use rune cage, and could not care less [snip]
That player killed me, nerf him, or
I can't kill that player, nerf him.
Same old story. [snip]
I pve a lot too, but some things are pretty strong and broken when it comes to pvp. Imagine have not enough stam to break free or the break free is buggy [snip], and you have to sit there for 5 seconds while the sorc throws everything they and their grandma in that time. Nerfing rune cage won't affect you in any way, shape, or form, [snip]
You've just described what people have been saying about Fear for YEARS. Nightblades haven't had their overpowered, buggy, nearly unbreakable CC nerfed in all this time, so why should Sorcs get yet another nerf after a just few weeks?
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:18PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I thought this was a necro thread at first sorcs haven't been anywhere near OP since 2.2 and the current patch were finally more than shield stacking destructive reach spamming targets the only problem with Rune Cage was the stun duration not the damage lol sigh... Once again ZOS u disappoint.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
Roll a mag sorc... I guarantee you're going to get gap-closed constantly.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE5 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Olen_Mikko wrote: »They got their precious rune cage nerfed. 20 % less damage.
THIS was the nerf everyone wanted, right?
I mean, people died because rune cage did so huge damage, right?
Thank god zos hates Sorcs so bad.
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Was mercilessly farming a pack of yellows with my buddy last night on a sorc duo. In one instance, about 8 of em mounted up to chase us between two keeps- so sure of themselves. Went from chasing us down on mounts, to approaching the fight, to getting comprehensively packed up in a matter of a minute and half.
We joked around about how they were all gonna log off and go straight to the forums. But it wasn’t really a joke. I can’t imagine how bad some of these [snip] and sacks of QQ must get destroyed in cyrodiil. Not cus sorc is op, but just cus they are baddies like the ones from last night.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:20PM1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Was mercilessly farming a pack of yellows with my buddy last night on a sorc duo. In one instance, about 8 of em mounted up to chase us between two keeps- so sure of themselves. Went from chasing us down on mounts, to approaching the fight, to getting comprehensively packed up in a matter of a minute and half.
We joked around about how they were all gonna log off and go straight to the forums. But it wasn’t really a joke. I can’t imagine how bad some of these [snip] and sacks of QQ must get destroyed in cyrodiil. Not cus sorc is op, but just cus they are baddies like the ones from last night.
The TL:DR version of this is that sorcs are never OP. [snip]
[edited for baiting & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:21PM5 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
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The TL:DR version of this is that sorcs are never OP. [snip]
Sorcs were op years ago when magicka dawnbreaker and proxy det was a thing. Haven’t been since then. But let the forum bads tell it and sorcs are [snip] every single patch.
Literally the only thing overtuned with sorcs is rune cage. But so long as these whining types are getting farmed by sorcs, they will always respawn on the forums and have something to cry about. Regardless the state of the class.
[edited for profanity bypass & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:21PM4 -
ragingruby1991✭✭✭davidj8291 wrote: »Olen_Mikko wrote: »They got their precious rune cage nerfed. 20 % less damage.
THIS was the nerf everyone wanted, right?
I mean, people died because rune cage did so huge damage, right?
Thank god zos hates Sorcs so bad.
Lol. Rune Cage didn’t make them OP. And they know that. But hey, it’s something right
-30k worth of stacked shields in Cyrodiil, one that burst heals.
-Unblockable/reflectable Magicka rotation (curse, force pulse, wrath)
-Rune Cage is still broken as it is a defensive stun. Only class with a defensive stun.
-Healing while doing damage.
-Insane mobility with streak (shouldn’t be able to do it while immobilized.
-Did I mention the 30k worth of shields in Cyrodiil?
Sorcs are still OP and always will be. Half of the Sorcs in the game would be absolute trash on another class. Sorcs I struggle with in Cyrodiil get completely stomped if they show up on anything else.
Sorcs are broken and are going to be for a long time.
Woah calm down there bud. You’re throwing way too many logical facts around. All the sorcerer mains that claim that sorcs are the worst pvp class in the game might get upset and streak away from the truth.
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gnarlyvandal✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »Wolfenbelle wrote: »As usual, this is a PvP centered complaint and nerf. My mag sorc is PvE oriented, does not and never did use rune cage, and could not care less [snip]
That player killed me, nerf him, or
I can't kill that player, nerf him.
Same old story. [snip]
I pve a lot too, but some things are pretty strong and broken when it comes to pvp. Imagine have not enough stam to break free or the break free is buggy [snip], and you have to sit there for 5 seconds while the sorc throws everything they and their grandma in that time. Nerfing rune cage won't affect you in any way, shape, or form, [snip]
Well, if you’re a dk the reflects will kill the sorc.
If you’re a nb you can stealth without ever being seen and can gank kill in 2 seconds, so the stun isn’t the biggest issue.
Don’t know a huge deal about templars or wardens.
Know what other stuns I’ve been caught in that are also incredibly buggy? The psijic aoe and dk talons, the latter also do same-ish damage as rune cage, affects multiple targets and applies minor maim. A longer range single target stun that applies no debuffs is a genuinely reasonable alternative.
I’ve been so bored by magsorc that I levelled mageblade and magknight and haven’t really touched my sorc since except for occasional battlegrounds and the odd daily dungeon. - reason being as nb I can stay invisible and choose who to kill as and when I feel like it and as dk there are a lot more dots combining with greater defensive passives meaning you can jump into the fight and be pretty tanky still (whilst applying that aoe damaging minor maim stun)
Shield stacking is costly and whilst it’s happening I’m not outputting any damage. Also, every class can shield stack 2 shields..
Honestly do non-sorcs always cry ‘nerf sorc’ just so their own class won’t be looked at? It’s getting ridiculous that some people still think sorcs are op.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 2, 2025 1:23PM3