You will play and pay Zenimax Online Studios every month and like it. As a paying customer you will sadly complain on the forums for another 4 years until ZOS is done giving DLCs and they shut the servers down a year later.

You have 5 years left and over 5000$ to give on eso. But at least you where heard lol

Dont make me wait, I aint gonna live forever.

Impressive how many people do not grab the concept that bugfixing and developing new content are two totally different things. There are very different teams doing that stuff. And you can´t just make Team A do the job of Team B.

Do you guys work? Don´t you have specialized teams and departments? Does your accountant also work at the reception? And does your security guard also fix your malfunctioning hardware? Does your purchasing department handle customer feedback and troubleshooting? I guess not. Different departments.

Gina does not fix code for Cyrodiil. The Loremaster will not adjust damage modifiers for skills. The lead game developer will not design the new dungeon motifs. Because they do not have the individual skills to do that.

Shutting down development of new DLCs will force a bunch of people to sit around and do nothing because they simply can´t do anything else.

So stop these pointless threads.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »

Impressive how many people do not grab the concept that bugfixing and developing new content are two totally different things. There are very different teams doing that stuff. And you can´t just make Team A do the job of Team B.

Do you guys work? Don´t you have specialized teams and departments? Does your accountant also work at the reception? And does your security guard also fix your malfunctioning hardware? Does your purchasing department handle customer feedback and troubleshooting? I guess not. Different departments.

So stop these pointless threads.

Developing is a way of testing bugs?

Developing means creating the setting, the lore, the characters, the music, the mechanics. Sure, having the mechanics play out in the way they are intended is part of that (looking at you vSP), but the "fixing" people are usually talking about refers to Cyrodiil performance and glitches. This is something entirely different. Once the DLC is live it is no longer development. It is bugfixing. However Bugs that occur in PTS phase are absolutely part of the development process, I agree on that.

To give an analogy:
If your car does weird noises, you do not call they guys who designed the car, but a mechanic. The noise might be a design flaw, still the fixing has to be done by a mechanic.

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Square Enix brought down FF14 to fix it and had a lot of success doing so.

FFXIV hadn't been running for 4 years when they brought it down. It was newly launched and everyone was of the view that it simply didn't meet acceptable standards at launch.

One of the problems with this sort of discussion is that it's very difficult to get an accurate view of the extent of the problems people are experiencing with ESO. Clearly there are more people than ever playing the game, you don't need to rely on statements of ZOS to believe that, just look at the number of people in the game and the daily stats on Steam.

Personally I have no problems and have never seen anyone vanish or go link-dead around me, and I do a lot of cooperative play at dolmens and world bosses etc. Nobody there seems to be struggling with performance. I don't PvP and that's the main area where people complain about performance, yet for everyone who complains that PvP is unplayable there are at least as many people debating the finer points of PvP balancing or talking about campaign queues so it clearly isn't unplayable for everyone.

Given the number of people playing the game, my hunch is that if the problems were as widespread as some would claim then there would be a lot more players complaining about it than there are. I don't question for a moment that some players are really struggling with the game, and for those who do have problems it's clearly a major issue, but I don't in all honesty believe it's a universal issue. Console performance has seemingly never been as good as PC performance, and PvP has been more problematic than PvE. More recently Steam has clearly had issues, yet every time I check the Steam stats something like 20,000 people have logged in daily which is pretty much double the number a year or so ago. For many people there aren't the problems that we see being reported here by a comparatively small number of players. I hope it gets fixed for them, and quickly, I can't emphasise that enough, but where is the evidence that it's on the sort of scale that the question behind this topic would suggest?

Tandor wrote: »

Given the number of people playing the game, my hunch is that if the problems were as widespread as some would claim then there would be a lot more players complaining about it than there are. I don't question for a moment that some players are really struggling with the game, and for those who do have problems it's clearly a major issue, but I don't in all honesty believe it's a universal issue. Console performance has seemingly never been as good as PC performance, and PvP has been more problematic than PvE. More recently Steam has clearly had issues, yet every time I check the Steam stats something like 20,000 people have logged in daily which is pretty much double the number a year or so ago. For many people there aren't the problems that we see being reported here by a comparatively small number of players. I hope it gets fixed for them, and quickly, I can't emphasise that enough, but where is the evidence that it's on the sort of scale that the question behind this topic would suggest?

Yet over 2/3 of people have voted to fix the game. If it is indeed a 'comparatively small number of players' that has issues how do you explain the poll result? I guess it's the standard 'only those who have problems come to the forums' one. If there's one issue even bigger than the game itself it might just be people who don't want to see the scale of the problem and happily jump to say 'it is fine because it is for me'.

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Given the number of people playing the game, my hunch is that if the problems were as widespread as some would claim then there would be a lot more players complaining about it than there are. I don't question for a moment that some players are really struggling with the game, and for those who do have problems it's clearly a major issue, but I don't in all honesty believe it's a universal issue. Console performance has seemingly never been as good as PC performance, and PvP has been more problematic than PvE. More recently Steam has clearly had issues, yet every time I check the Steam stats something like 20,000 people have logged in daily which is pretty much double the number a year or so ago. For many people there aren't the problems that we see being reported here by a comparatively small number of players. I hope it gets fixed for them, and quickly, I can't emphasise that enough, but where is the evidence that it's on the sort of scale that the question behind this topic would suggest?

Yet over 2/3 of people have voted to fix the game. If it is indeed a 'comparatively small number of players' that has issues how do you explain the poll result? I guess it's the standard 'only those who have problems come to the forums' one. If there's one issue even bigger than the game itself it might just be people who don't want to see the scale of the problem and happily jump to say 'it is fine because it is for me'.

That represents 150 players, which is precisely my point as it's a comparatively small number in relation to the overall playerbase. I have acknowledged the problems some are having, and have said I cannot emphasise enough the need for those problems to be fixed and fixed quickly, so I'm not remotely saying that the game is fine because I don't have any problems. However, given the numbers playing the game the fact that 150 players voted to fix the game isn't evidence that the problems are as widespread as some claim, although my main point remains that it is actually very difficult to get a clear idea just how widespread the issues are, hence my question as to where is the evidence that would support a suggestion like the one in this topic.

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'd be willing to spend more money more often if they were willing to fix things faster..

Not me.

I figure that ESO has been bringing in more revenue than ZOS wants to spend on the game. I also expect that, as time marches forward, they will want to spend less on ESO, not more. Right now, I have to consider that the financial role of ESO includes providing operating cash for the studio so they can develop the next game.

I really don't feel like paying more to fund development of ZOS Game 2. Especially when they won't tell us what that is until they are well along the path and getting close to ready to deliver.

Tandor wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Square Enix brought down FF14 to fix it and had a lot of success doing so.

FFXIV hadn't been running for 4 years when they brought it down. It was newly launched and everyone was of the view that it simply didn't meet acceptable standards at launch.

Yeah, this is why I really don't like to get into the "Game A did this, ESO should do it, too"... Just because something worked for another game does not mean it is appropriate for every game. If shutting down the game for months was the silver bullet to success, we'd have a lot of games on a hiatus right now.

Tandor wrote: »

Personally I have no problems and have never seen anyone vanish or go link-dead around me, and I do a lot of cooperative play at dolmens and world bosses etc. Nobody there seems to be struggling with performance. I don't PvP and that's the main area where people complain about performance, yet for everyone who complains that PvP is unplayable there are at least as many people debating the finer points of PvP balancing or talking about campaign queues so it clearly isn't unplayable for everyone.

This is why I think that ZOS is done with major PVP/Cyrodiil performance work. Aside from the recent Summerset illness that we have, which I am sure will be largely fixed over the course of the next few patches and Update 19, I suspect that things have improved as far as ZOS thinks they can go.

Again, this is aside from the recent "Summerset-itis" that is going around. That, I expect they are working on.

What I expect we will see from ZOS regarding the underlying Cyrodiil issues will be tweaks, not overhauls. That isn't to say that they won't make major changes next time they are reworking that part of the game. It can be better, and they know it. Doing that is something they will do when they have the time. ZOS Game 2 will probably get those changes. Whether ESO gets those changes really depends on how much it costs to refactor ESO and how much of that they can recover.

Asardes wrote: »

2 years ago they stopped releasing DLCs for 2 quarters just to overhaul the game and add a series of QoL changes. The problem now is that they keep releasing DLCs every quarter that do have certain bugs (which is expected and acceptable for a few weeks) but at the same time they make changes to the base game that are at best annoying and at worst game breaking, and you can consider ourselves lucky if they fix it till the next DLC drops and they break even more stuff.

Back in 2015, they stopped PC/Mac development for 2 quarters because they had delayed the launch of consoles by a year and need to focus limited staff on getting that out the door. That was a risky move, and they probably took a lot of heat for that. I would not be surprised to hear that they held discussions about whether to cancel the Console version of the game. This family of game studios will kill a game, even after it has been announced, if things turn bad during development. I have to consider that ESO Console was at that sort of a decision point.

Tandor wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Square Enix brought down FF14 to fix it and had a lot of success doing so.

FFXIV hadn't been running for 4 years when they brought it down. It was newly launched and everyone was of the view that it simply didn't meet acceptable standards at launch.

One of the problems with this sort of discussion is that it's very difficult to get an accurate view of the extent of the problems people are experiencing with ESO. Clearly there are more people than ever playing the game, you don't need to rely on statements of ZOS to believe that, just look at the number of people in the game and the daily stats on Steam.

Personally I have no problems and have never seen anyone vanish or go link-dead around me, and I do a lot of cooperative play at dolmens and world bosses etc. Nobody there seems to be struggling with performance. I don't PvP and that's the main area where people complain about performance, yet for everyone who complains that PvP is unplayable there are at least as many people debating the finer points of PvP balancing or talking about campaign queues so it clearly isn't unplayable for everyone.

Given the number of people playing the game, my hunch is that if the problems were as widespread as some would claim then there would be a lot more players complaining about it than there are. I don't question for a moment that some players are really struggling with the game, and for those who do have problems it's clearly a major issue, but I don't in all honesty believe it's a universal issue. Console performance has seemingly never been as good as PC performance, and PvP has been more problematic than PvE. More recently Steam has clearly had issues, yet every time I check the Steam stats something like 20,000 people have logged in daily which is pretty much double the number a year or so ago. For many people there aren't the problems that we see being reported here by a comparatively small number of players. I hope it gets fixed for them, and quickly, I can't emphasise that enough, but where is the evidence that it's on the sort of scale that the question behind this topic would suggest?

I think most of the issues are suffered by console users and as a console user I can confirm the issue is pretty bad. If I need gear, I typically solo normal dungeons and the lag is unreal (I have a fiber connection). PvP is absolutely unplayable right now.

I'd be much more inclined to continue enjoying this game if the stability and performance were dramaticly increased rather than bring in new buggy content.

Ragebull wrote: »

They should, but what makes you think they would have any interest in going above and beyond to fix the game by postponing new content when they prefer to do the bare minimum and ignore it? I mean we have years of experience with them now, how anybody could give them the BOTD and think this is even a possibility is crazy lol

I think this is the best point I've read, honestly. We've put up with a lot of these issues (lag in cyrodiil) since the game came out and we're still around. What incentive (from their point of view) is there in spending money to fix something if we're going to continue playing it either way.

This is a paradox for vets, you all have to understand this. This isn't nothing new, to the day 1 players like myself. Understanding trends and patterns, does not take a genuis to figure out what's going on.

We leave and come back, play a week or so and see that it's more bròken now than when we left. Rather its performance - class imbalance scaling - doesn't matter we all figured it out after morrowwind. Some after Tamrial one and some after IC, what I'm saying is.

This is an incognito p2w game now, the game is designed this way. While the illusion of leaderboards keep the rpg players happy, the super competitive have known this. And while some may argue that it's not I urge them to understand the difference between a game of chance/RNG vs a game of skill/talent.

So us vets will continue to come back every now and then to ESO. Ufortunality we regretfully warn you that it will only get worse.