It's not as bad as everybody makes it out to be, I'm playing on Ps4 btw

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Square Enix brought down FF14 to fix it and had a lot of success doing so.

Wasn't it called like FF11 online or something before it was shut down, yeah I was wondering how FF10 SP game went to FF12 without a SP inbetween lol

No. It needs to do both simultaneously... just like any other game with a large development staff.

Xerikten wrote: »

first this games issues per some players are not much different than those in other mmos. ie graphics lag. if on a computer YOU can solve this yourself.

second finding and correcting such are not as easy as many of you arm chair programmers think.

third just perhaps you should make a list of these "problems" in detail and prioritize them. just because there have been other ambiguous threads about game issues doesn't mean the exact problem has been presented. like omg I get lag when 50 of us are together pvping. well ya you should if your graphics is turned all the way up.

my solution is the ability to turn off/down others spell effects. the options should be. your own, others in your group, and etc. also just perhaps you just might want to turn down and shut off some of your high end graphics. that really worked over the years in raiding. like you really need to see flowers half a zone away

I'm not an armchair programmer. I'm an actual programmer working with data busses on a military contract...

You are mixing up lag and frame rate issues. Obviously if there's a *** of things happening on screen you can expect a frame rate drop, but this even happens in purely offline single player games if the graphics requirements are intense enough or your rig is crap enough, but in ESO you get frame rate drops just by standing around in town while looking at a wall. (fps)

Lag generally refers to the time from when you command and action to the time the action is witnessed on screen. This is measured roughly by ping.

They migrated away from a trusted client model which put extra strain on the server Instead of incorporating a client side memory validation/checksum anti-cheat detection systems. Did you know the server population caps in cyrodiil used to be MUCH higher and yet the lag was MUCH better. You could function decently while there were 3 pop capped factions chasing down a scroll or sieging one keep, but now if there is a faction v faction fight anywhere in cyrodiil you just exist in a constant state of unresponsive gameplay and disconnects.

And for the people that think end game players have an endless list of complaints that can never be satisfied... wrong. Our biggest and most universally agreed upon issue has always been the game performance.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Time for ESO2, just use all the same landscape data and models and code it better from the ground up to use that data.

I wish they would, but instead, what I think will happen is that ZOS Engine 2.0 will be used in ZOS Game 2. New games are expensive. New Engines are expensive. I am not sure that ESO is making enough money to pay for all that, pay for ongoing ESO maintenance, and pay to upgrade itself to Engine 2.0.

Yes...are they going to no...

Tandor wrote: »

Different teams do different things, and different players have different problems or none.

Agreed, though budgets may be shared.

I feel like the OP is suggesting that they do less of what the game is good at and more of what the game doesn't do so well.

Grabmoore wrote: »

No. Your fix is already there. Switch to PC.

ZOS don't have the man power needed to push fixes as fast as you would like to. They do something, but each change is slow. That's just how it is. How would you expect them to fix the game without anyone spending money?

ROFL.

PC is no guarantee of ing anything. Some on PC "without steam accounts" are still having major "can't even log in or play" issues.

They need to fix game and launcher, performance and stability issues across the board.

Mettaricana wrote: »

Or they can actually do fixes during maintenance and release weekly fixes and tweaks to keep things running smoothly rather than wait 3 months... just sayimg fixing it as it comes up is probly alot better then waiting til subs go on decline to do anything...

With a typical game company I would agree, however, ZoS has been doing the exact thing you mentioned since they released the game and the issues people are now having is the culmination of all those "let's just tweak it further" patches as opposed to any "REAL FIXES".

No, but not because i disagree with the sentiment, that's just not how the development cycle works.

Soella wrote: »

As software developer, I am pretty sure different people are working on performance issues and new content. It require absolutely different skill set.

I understand that but the person working on motif x or DLC y could be shifted to work on the game state. Or at the very least those dollars, the cost, the resource be shifted. I know designers are not QA, but the money spent on that resource could be shifted.

New content creates money which they can use to repair (parts) of the game.

Does a store close because they have a broken window? hell no.

Shutting down everything to fix bugs is like stopping mail delivery or stopping fixing of potholes until ISIS is defeated. Terrorism is a serious problem and needs to be a priority, but you do not shut down the business of day-to-day operations to fight it. Putting mailmen and road crews to work on fighting terrorism will likely just make things worse. Completely wrong skill set.

And people who say "move the budget around"? So you fire all the mailmen and road crews and hire more people to fight ISIS? What happens when you finish up fighting ISIS and want to deliver mail and fix the roads again? The people who did that were not going to just sit at home, making no salary, waiting to get called back. They went to get new jobs. Now all your hundreds of man years of experience in designing ESO zones and dungeons and Trials and whatnot is lost and you need to start over from scratch.

Or maybe ESO is the opposite? Maybe fighting ISIS is the quarterly DLC and people want to stop that and concentrate on better mail service and fixing the roads? Again, though, you are taking resources away from something that really does need to have attention and it is something of a waste to have Delta Force fixing potholes or Navy Seals delivering your bank statement.

Increase the budget to bring on new developers to work on bug fixes? Money is always going to be tight in an MMO that does not have both a required subscription and a sizable subscriber base. And people seem to think ZOS is making boatloads of money on the crown store. But the crown store is there to make up for the non-required subscription. I guarantee you that for every whale who spends $500/month in crown store, there are probably 100 players who do not subscribe and spend zero on the crown store. In the end, I would be shocked if ZOS is averaging the $15/month from every player that would be needed to turn a nice profit. I definitely don't think the game is losing money. But ZOS are not swimming in money the way people seem to think they are.

People screamed and moaned when the subscription was required. Then people screamed and moaned about the cash shop. Then people screamed and moaned about the gamble boxes. It seems like there is no way for ZOS to have a steady revenue stream that does not result in forum outrage. $15/month is $180/year. Even if every player bought every DLC and every Chapter, that is still way short of the $180/year from every player that is seen as the industry standard, ideal MMO revenue model.

I would guess that the main source of income to pay for maintenance and quality of life issues is the big bursts of revenue they get every quarter with release of new content. Stopping new content to address bugs is basically asking ZOS to make a major monetary investment in game while cutting off where they get most of their money from!

ZOS is in a tough position. Since there is no subscription required, they need to release content at a pretty aggressive pace to keep money coming in. If they stop releasing content, people will stop logging in. Fewer people logging in makes it harder to do group content - everything from World Bosses to dungeons to Trials to Battlegrounds. Which makes even more people stop logging in. And people who are not logged in do not buy anything from Crown Store. It becomes a spiral of lost revenue.

ESO's business model simply cannot withstand the loss of revenue that would come from suspending new content releases. But this is the business model that the player base insisted on!

They can do both.

Remember that there are many members of a dev team who wouldn't have a job if they just fixed bugs.