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5 day early access is a BONUS

  • SilentVigil
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    Valn wrote: »
    we paid for the game. the 5 days was not free. it was what we got extra for prepaying.


    exactly...extra..therefore it was a bonus.

    the early access is purely for marketing, to get people to pre order the game. There won't be a 5 day early access bonus tomorrow because it's already happened!

    We paid extra for something -not just a pre-order the game. It included various items including early access. It wasn't for free.

    Getting a pet for participating in Beta would be what your thinking of. That would be a free bonus.

    In your view then paying extra for early (quick) delivery for Pizza and then the delivery man showing up (not early) and saying sorry that was just a bonus that you would have gotten for free.
  • ArcheKnight
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    Everybody needs to stop looking at these companies like they are providing something out of the kindness of their hearts and only require money to continue. The company doesn't care about you, nor does it care about what you want. The early access was an incentive to invest in the game before launch.

    The words "bonus" and "extra" are not synonymous with free. They mean you get something that others who might buy it later, won't get, or won't get for the same price. It might mean a discount, but you are most definitely still paying for it. NOTHING is free. The servers are not running on magical love dust during early access and the employees are not working purely out of love of the customer base to make them happy. Incentives are not free, just stuff you get with the original package for the same price, it is just the original package is discounted to allow for an equal price afterwards.
  • Valn
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    Valn wrote: »
    we paid for the game. the 5 days was not free. it was what we got extra for prepaying.


    exactly...extra..therefore it was a bonus.

    the early access is purely for marketing, to get people to pre order the game. There won't be a 5 day early access bonus tomorrow because it's already happened!

    We paid extra for something -not just a pre-order the game. It included various items including early access. It wasn't for free.

    Getting a pet for participating in Beta would be what your thinking of. That would be a free bonus.

    In your view then paying extra for early (quick) delivery for Pizza and then the delivery man showing up (not early) and saying sorry that was just a bonus that you would have gotten for free.

    Oh really? What exactly did you pay extra for? And how much was this extra cost?
  • zamiel
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    Valn wrote: »
    Actually, I'm right.

    The pre-order bonus items were stuff given to you if you pre ordered the game. The act of pre ordering the game gave you these unique items, the same as being given free coupons if you buy 10 or more rolls of toilet paper. Can you get these items in game if you buy the game say next week? No, because they aren't included with the game.

    Actually you are wrong.
    Those items included a 5 days early access as well.
    All these were offered to make you pay in advance - helping the short term cashflow of the company and providing them assets to use until they have to start to provide services. Paying in advance is not a neutral stance, it's clearly beneficial to the receiver.

    Yet they failed to deliver one part of the product - the 5 days early access. Again, you would be right only about 5 days early access being a bonus if people buying it would have to pay at the last available moment at 4/4/14.
    Edited by zamiel on April 3, 2014 6:41PM
  • Affrayer
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    Let's all take a second to laugh at ourselves here
    FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS
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  • RamzaBehoulve
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    Valn wrote: »
    we paid for the game. the 5 days was not free. it was what we got extra for prepaying.

    exactly...extra..therefore it was a bonus.

    the early access is purely for marketing, to get people to pre order the game. There won't be a 5 day early access bonus tomorrow because it's already happened!

    You can slice it however you want, in Europe, that is not a bonus, nor an extra. It's called a purchase incentive and is an entire part of the deal.
  • zamiel
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    Affrayer wrote: »
    Let's all take a second to laugh at ourselves here
    FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS
    It's not a first world problem. It doesn't matter that you didn't receive a game or medical care, the correct and expected behaviour is the same in both cases.
  • Valn
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    zamiel wrote: »
    Valn wrote: »
    Actually, I'm right.

    The pre-order bonus items were stuff given to you if you pre ordered the game. The act of pre ordering the game gave you these unique items, the same as being given free coupons if you buy 10 or more rolls of toilet paper. Can you get these items in game if you buy the game say next week? No, because they aren't included with the game.

    Actually you are wrong.
    Those items included a 5 days early access as well.
    All these were offered to make you pay in advance - helping the short term cashflow of the company and providing them assets to use until they have to start to provide services. Paying in advance is not a neutral stance, it's clearly beneficial to the receiver.

    Yet they failed to deliver one part of the product - the 5 days early access.


    Obviously the free 5 day early access and other pre order bonuses were just incentives to make people pre purchase the game. They were not included in the price. They were free bonuses to get people to pre order the game.

    How exactly have they failed in delivering the 5 days early access free bonus? I know some people have had problems connecting, some haven't been able to play at all, but they won't get compensation, because those pre -order bonuses were free.
    Edited by Valn on April 3, 2014 6:43PM
  • Valn
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    double post
    Edited by Valn on April 3, 2014 6:43PM
  • Jake71887
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    zamiel wrote: »
    It's not a first world problem.

    No, it really is.

  • zamiel
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    Valn wrote: »
    Actually you're wrong there.

    Obviously the free 5 day early access and other pre order bonuses were just incentives to make people pre purchase the game. They were not included in the price. They were free bonuses to get people to pre order the game.

    How exactly have they failed in delivering the 5 days early access free bonus? I know some people have had problems connecting, some haven't been able to play at all, but they won't get compensation, because those pre -order bonuses were free.
    You're still wrong.
    Sales incentives are properly legistated in EU - they are part of the deal and must be delivered in the way promised.

    Did you have 5 days early access? Because I didn't. I miss at least 23 hours of time of it.

  • Jadeviper1974
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    Valn wrote: »
    Grageeky wrote: »
    Valn wrote: »
    DIGITAL PRE-PURCHASE BONUSES + EXPLORER'S PACK
    5 DAYS EARLY GAME
    ACCESS
    Note the word BONUS.

    For pre ordering the game (buying the game before release day) you were given a BONUS of 5 days early access, not included in the price. It's just a little BONUS for pre-ordering the game.

    Stop complaining about something you got for free (5 days early access).

    You are wrong in both your argument and in telling people what to do.

    Actually, I'm right.

    The pre-order bonus items were stuff given to you if you pre ordered the game. The act of pre ordering the game gave you these unique items, the same as being given free coupons if you buy 10 or more rolls of toilet paper. Can you get these items in game if you buy the game say next week? No, because they aren't included with the game.

    Yes, just like you can't get 5 days of early access if you buy the game next week. The simple fact of the matter is that they promised something in exchange for getting your money ahead of time, and then did not provide what they had promised. There is no getting around it, there is no explaining it away.
    What is written above are my honest opinions. If you agree then; "Great!" If you disagree; "Great!" I really couldn't care less either way.
  • Valn
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    Valn wrote: »
    we paid for the game. the 5 days was not free. it was what we got extra for prepaying.

    exactly...extra..therefore it was a bonus.

    the early access is purely for marketing, to get people to pre order the game. There won't be a 5 day early access bonus tomorrow because it's already happened!

    You can slice it however you want, in Europe, that is not a bonus, nor an extra. It's called a purchase incentive and is an entire part of the deal.

    Purchase incentive yes.

    Zenimax: If you pre order the game you get free 5 days access and these items.
    Customer: 5 days early access and free items if I pre order? I will pre order the game!

    The 5 days early access and pets are not part of the final product. They are free bonuses.
  • Rammanjeff
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    Valn wrote: »
    DIGITAL PRE-PURCHASE BONUSES + EXPLORER'S PACK
    5 DAYS EARLY GAME
    ACCESS
    Note the word BONUS.

    For pre ordering the game (buying the game before release day) you were given a BONUS of 5 days early access, not included in the price. It's just a little BONUS for pre-ordering the game.

    Stop complaining about something you got for free (5 days early access).


    Riiiiiggghhhtttt! How many people bought the imperial edition for the pet, armor upgrade, and treasure maps? The early access was the marketing tool behind paying the extra money!

    Get over your BONUS envy!
    It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. ~ Thomas Sowell
  • Tavore1138
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    Actually not free - comes, if nothing else, at the cost of lost interest on the money that was sitting in their account instead of mine.

    Also if you feel that promises that aren't specifically paid for in currency are worthless I feel sorry for any man/woman you choose to marry.
  • zamiel
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    Valn wrote: »
    Purchase incentive yes.

    Zenimax: If you pre order the game you get free 5 days access and these items.
    Customer: 5 days early access and free items if I pre order? I will pre order the game!

    The 5 days early access and pets are not part of the final product. They are free bonuses.
    Still wrong.

    Your conclusion is not in any relation whatsoever of your Zenimax statement. You are right Zenimax did offer me items AND 5 days of early access AND the game if I pay in advance.

    I did my part and paid in advance. They didn't deliver one of the offered items though. Just like buying a computer without a cable. No matter how small, they did break the agreement.
  • Xnemesis
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    What a bunch of babies how about they did no patching during your "5 day early access" and said *** it? Then you would be crying about bugs galore whaaaaa I'm stuck and cant move on with my quests!!! Get over yourself you pay roughly 50 cents a day to play so they owe you all roughly 50 cents total for the 5 day access downtime. They are going to *** in some ones cherrios regardless of what they did so TBH I'm glad they decided to patch as they find problems or bugs, because it makes for a better experience overall. Regardless of what you think you are entitled too your whining does nothing. Now go to the corner and dry your eyes children.
  • Crixxz
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    They Patched the game yesterday at 10:30pm BST, and they take it down again today in prime time for 3-4 hours. Maybe they don't realize what time it is when they take servers down..

    Early access is not beta, people paid for it, and you can't just shut down servers every day for bugfixing or patching.. I'm really disappointed.
    Edited by Crixxz on April 3, 2014 6:52PM
  • Heishi
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    Yes you get 5 day early access, but people overlook the fact that such access is provided on an as is basis. What really gets me is people who claim they paid extra for the early access. If you use the Zeni store, my understanding is you got the 5 day access regardless of which version. From retail stores it was 3 day access unless you got the imperial edition.

    Soo... the imperial edition from retail merits the same bonus as the standard from the Zeni store. Which means people who bought the imperial edition, were buying it for the access to the imperial race, the imperial horse, and the ability to convert armor to imperial style NOT the 5 day access.

    Although I wonder if the people in EU complaining it breaks EU laws would be happy if they just shut that server down and made them play and order the game from US servers like some games do.

    As a final thought, I mentioned this in another thread, It's 4/4 in Australia where the new day begins, they could be going off that time since the estimated time they gave for bringing the server back up would be around 8 or 9 am their time
    And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.
  • Jake71887
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    This entire thread boils down to pretty much this:

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  • digitalthermitepreub18_ESO
    Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it is what it is - early access was riddled with issues and downtime. As a developer who has worked in the industry, I was first in line to counter criticism during beta, but once early access started, things should be a bit more accountable.

    In truth, I do not have a problem with the ups and downs, I just expect a little more recognition from the developers/producers for those who did purchase for early access - it is simply good business. How they handle this may very well provide foresight into how future such issues are handled. I do not expect things to run smoothly, I just hope they are professional about how they handle it.
  • MercyKilling
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    Hey, I got three days early access for my five. I pity those who got three days shortened to one.
    I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
    1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
    2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
    3) Difficulty slider.
    4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
    Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.
  • Valn
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    Valn wrote: »
    Grageeky wrote: »
    Valn wrote: »
    DIGITAL PRE-PURCHASE BONUSES + EXPLORER'S PACK
    5 DAYS EARLY GAME
    ACCESS
    Note the word BONUS.

    For pre ordering the game (buying the game before release day) you were given a BONUS of 5 days early access, not included in the price. It's just a little BONUS for pre-ordering the game.

    Stop complaining about something you got for free (5 days early access).

    You are wrong in both your argument and in telling people what to do.

    Actually, I'm right.

    The pre-order bonus items were stuff given to you if you pre ordered the game. The act of pre ordering the game gave you these unique items, the same as being given free coupons if you buy 10 or more rolls of toilet paper. Can you get these items in game if you buy the game say next week? No, because they aren't included with the game.

    Yes, just like you can't get 5 days of early access if you buy the game next week. The simple fact of the matter is that they promised something in exchange for getting your money ahead of time, and then did not provide what they had promised. There is no getting around it, there is no explaining it away.
    zamiel wrote: »
    Valn wrote: »
    Purchase incentive yes.

    Zenimax: If you pre order the game you get free 5 days access and these items.
    Customer: 5 days early access and free items if I pre order? I will pre order the game!

    The 5 days early access and pets are not part of the final product. They are free bonuses.
    Still wrong.

    Your conclusion is not in any relation whatsoever of your Zenimax statement. You are right Zenimax did offer me items AND 5 days of early access AND the game if I pay in advance.

    I did my part and paid in advance. They didn't deliver one of the offered items though. Just like buying a computer without a cable. No matter how small, they did break the agreement.

    But the 5 days early access and items are not part of the final product. The game isnt even officially released yet.

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    Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax’s control (“Downloadable Content”). Downloadable Content includes, but is not limited to, licensed rights granted, awarded, and/or provided to You to access and/or use online or off-line elements or features of certain Services as well as Game updates, unlockable content, digital and/or virtual assets, rights of use tied to unlock keys or codes, serial codes and/or online authentication of any kind, in-game achievements, virtual or fictional currency, video trailers, Game screenshots, and/or Game-related wallpapers. Downloadable Content may be free, redeemable, and/or purchased. Downloadable Content may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of the Services and Downloadable Content is permitted. Except as granted in a Game’s EULA, ZeniMax hereby grants to You a limited, non-exclusive, personal, non-transferable license to use, view and display Your Downloadable Content.

    Once You have redeemed Your Downloadable Content, that Content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Content or for cash, other goods or services unless approved by ZeniMax or required by applicable law; for example, if ZeniMax downloaded the wrong Content to You, You may be entitled to a refund. Unless otherwise specified by ZeniMax in writing and unless otherwise prohibited by applicable law, Downloadable Content expires upon the earlier of (a) the closure of an Account, or (b) the later of one hundred and eighty (180) days past (i) the most recent Account login by You or (ii) the end of Your subscription for the applicable Service if such subscription is not renewed.

    You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game(s)) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game(s). Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s), in-Game items or currency for “real” money, or exchange those items or currency for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the “real world” will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.

    You acknowledge and agree that all virtual items represent a limited license right for Your personal, private, non-commercial, non-transferable, and limited use governed by the Terms of Service and are not redeemable for any sum of money or monetary value from ZeniMax at any time. ZeniMax reserves the right to refuse Your request(s) to acquire Downloadable Content, and reserves the right to limit or block any request to acquire Downloadable Content for any or no reason.

    This Section 2 shall survive the termination of this Agreement.
    3. Limited License to Use

    Subject to the terms of this Agreement and Your compliance with all of its terms and conditions, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services as set forth in this Agreement.

    You may not (a) distribute, publicly perform or display, sell, transmit, publish, edit, reproduce, sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer any Game, Software, and/or Content, including without limitation any access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; (c) create any derivative works based upon any Services; (d) otherwise use any Services except as expressly provided in this Agreement; (e) copy or download any Software or Content unless the Content is Downloadable Content or You are otherwise expressly authorized to do so in writing by ZeniMax; and/or (f) remove, obscure, or alter copyright, patent, trademark, or other proprietary rights notices affixed to any Services. Any commercial use is prohibited absent written permission by an authorized representative of ZeniMax.

    ZeniMax actively enforces its intellectual property rights to the fullest extent of the law. If You are found to engage or facilitate the engagement of infringing and/or illegal activity, including, but not limited to, making unauthorized copies and/or distributing Services, ZeniMax may in its sole discretion restrict, suspend, or terminate Your Account or Your access to some or any Services, and/or pursue further legal action against You. Please note that these activities may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offenses and ZeniMax reserves the right to take such action as appropriate in the circumstances. You agree to reimburse ZeniMax for any liabilities, damages, losses, costs and expenses incurred by or suffered by ZeniMax arising from or related to any attempted or actual unauthorized or illegal conduct by You, or through the use of Your Account as more particularly described in Section 13.

    ZeniMax reserves title to the Services and all rights to any Services not specifically granted under this Agreement, including without limitation all rights of reproduction, modification, distribution, display, disassembly and decompilation and all copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret, and other proprietary rights and interests. Your use of Services is subject to the intellectual property rights of ZeniMax and except for the express licenses granted in the first paragraph of this Section 3, ZeniMax does not grant You any licenses or rights to patents or other intellectual property. Content, Software and Games are licensed, not sold, to You.

    All Services and all intellectual property rights in the Services are owned by ZeniMax or its licensors and are protected by United States and international copyright, trade dress, patent, and trademark laws, international conventions, and other laws protecting intellectual property and related proprietary rights.

    With the exception of the first paragraph of this Section 3, this Section 3 shall survive the termination of this Agreement.
    4. Beta Tests

    In its sole discretion, ZeniMax may contact You to review and evaluate, or playtest, one or more Games, aspects of Games, or online features prior to commercial release for the purpose of identifying program errors and obtaining feedback. You will be asked to provide to ZeniMax certain feedback and suggestions regarding Your evaluation of the Game(s) or feature(s). Your participation is subject to these Terms of Service and other applicable Supplemental Terms, such as a non-disclosure agreement.

    By accepting our invitation and playtesting the Game and/or features, You also agree that to the extent permitted by law: (i) playing an unreleased Game is at Your own risk and You understand that the Game(s) and/or Game(s) features may include known or unknown bugs, (ii) any value or status indicators that You achieve through any playtest may be erased at any time, including, but not limited to, upon commercial release; and (iii) ZeniMax has no obligation to make these Game(s) or features available, or available without charge or to fix errors or bugs identified by You.

    Beta Test accounts are non-transferable under any circumstances.
    5. Paid Services

    Some Services require payment of a fee. You must have an Account and pay the applicable fees to participate in those Services. For information about subscription and other fees for particular Services, visit Your particular Service’s product page or Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

    FEES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ARE NOT REFUNDABLE IN WHOLE OR IN PART.

    ZeniMax reserves the right to change the fees or billing methods at any time upon notice to You through Your Account. If You pay a periodic (e.g., monthly) subscription for a Service, ZeniMax will provide You with at least thirty (30) days advance notice of any such changes. Your continued use of the Service thirty (30) days or more after ZeniMax provides such notice of the changes means that You accept such changes. If any change is unacceptable to You, You may cancel Your subscription at any time, but ZeniMax will not refund any fees or prorate fees for any subscription. Depending on the country where You reside, including if You live in the EEA, Norway, Switzerland or Australia, the law may require different provisions to apply which will be specified when You subscribe and/or in the specific notice provided to You.

    If Your use of the Services is subject to applicable governmental charges (including but not limited to sales tax, value added tax (VAT), goods and service tax (GST) or other taxes), then You will pay for those charges. Your total price may include such charges or such governmental charges may be separately identified from Your Paid Service(s) fees as shown during the payment process. Failure to invoice You for any such charges does not relieve You of the liability to pay such charges.

    As the Account holder, You are responsible for all charges incurred on Your Account, including, but not limited to, applicable taxes, and all purchases made by You or anyone that uses Your Account, including, but not limited to, Your family or friends.

    Payment Options for Your Services.
    Subscribers in North America, South America, or Asia (excluding India). If You reside in North America, South America, or Asia (excluding India), You must pay fees using the payment methods made available by ZeniMax for the particular Service (the “Payment Methods”) and You agree to the terms and conditions applicable to each Payment Method You choose. Payment Methods may vary by Service and the terms of Your subscription will be in Your Account details. When You provide credit card or other Payment Method information to Bethesda, You represent to Bethesda that You are the authorized user of the credit card or other Payment Method. You must provide current, complete, and accurate information for Your billing account. You must promptly update all information to keep Your billing account current, complete, and accurate (such as a change in billing address, credit card number, or credit card expiration date), and You must promptly notify Bethesda if Your credit card or other Payment Method is canceled (for example, for loss, theft, or expiration). Changes to Your Payment Method information can be made by contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

    You may choose automatic renewal of Your subscription. If You choose this option, You have agreed to permit Bethesda to automatically charge Your credit card, bank card, debit card or other Payment Method associated with Your Account for an automatic renewal of Your current subscription preferences to the applicable Service. You may cancel at any time by revising Your selection in Your Accounts page, or contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com. In order to sign up for automatic renewal, You must keep a valid credit card number or other Payment Method number or information associated with Your Account. Your subscription will automatically renew on the expiration date of the then-current subscription term that You previously subscribed to, at a fee no greater than Bethesda’s then-current price at the time of renewal, excluding any promotional and discount pricing, unless You cancel Your subscription. If You have subscribed for an automatic subscription renewal, You agree that Bethesda may continue charging You on an automatic recurring basis for Your current subscription preferences unless You cancel Your subscription at least thirty (30) days prior to the expiration of the subscription. If You have subscribed for an automatic subscription renewal but do not have a valid credit card and/or other valid Payment Method information on file and Your subscription expires, You will not be able to resume Game play or any paid Services usage without updating Your Payment Method information. Bethesda reserves the right to utilize third party credit card updating services to obtain current expiration dates on credit cards provided by You to Bethesda. Customers who use a third party Payment Method may incur additional payment processing fees charged by such third party to its customers, and may not be able to automatically renew subscriptions.

    All Other Subscribers of All Territories Not Specified Above. If You reside outside North America, South America, or Asia (excluding India), You must pay fees using the payment methods made available by ZeniMax for the particular Service (the “Payment Methods”) and You agree to the terms and conditions applicable to each Payment Method You choose. Payment Methods may vary by Service and the terms of Your subscription will be in Your Account details. When You provide credit card or other Payment Method information to ZEL, You represent to ZEL that You are the authorized user of the credit card or other Payment Method. You must provide current, complete, and accurate information for Your billing account. You must promptly update all information to keep Your billing account current, complete, and accurate (such as a change in billing address, credit card number, or credit card expiration date), and You must promptly notify ZEL if Your credit card or other Payment Method is canceled (for example, for loss, theft, or expiration). Changes to Your Payment Method information can be made by contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

    You may choose automatic renewal of Your subscription. If You choose this option, You have agreed to permit ZEL to automatically charge Your credit card or other Payment Method associated with Your Account for an automatic renewal of Your current subscription preferences to the applicable Service. You may cancel at any time by revising Your selection in Your Accounts page, or contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com. In order to sign up for automatic renewal, You must keep a valid credit card number or other Payment Method number or information associated with Your Account. Your subscription will automatically renew on the expiration date of the then-current subscription term You previously subscribed to at a fee no greater than ZEL’s then-current price at the time of renewal, excluding any promotional and discount pricing, unless You cancel Your subscription. If You have subscribed for an automatic subscription renewal, You agree that ZEL may continue charging You on an automatic recurring basis for Your current subscription preferences unless You cancel Your subscription at least thirty (30) days prior to the expiration of the subscription. If You have subscribed for an automatic subscription renewal but do not have a valid credit card and/or other valid Payment Method information on file and Your subscription expires, You will not be able to resume Game play or any paid Services usage without updating Your Payment Method information. ZEL reserves the right to utilize third party credit card updating services to obtain current expiration dates on credit cards provided by You to ZEL. Customers who use a third party Payment Method may incur additional payment processing fees charged by such third party to its customers, and may not be able to automatically renew subscriptions.

    Digital Merchandise and Merchandise Purchases.

    In addition to the above, the following terms apply to pricing of and payment for any digital goods and in-game consumables (“booster packs”, free-to-play games, digital goods outside of any Game (such as a wallpaper, or a character outfit), and digital downloads of other products) (collectively, “Merchandise”). Unless otherwise noted, any Merchandise You purchase is automatically downloaded and will be applied to Your Account or Game(s) upon purchase. The prices for Merchandise displayed for such items are subject to change at any time without notice.

    Early Game(s) Access/Trial Subscriptions.

    For some Services, ZeniMax may offer You early access to a Game and/or a trial subscription. Such Services may require You to sign up for an Account and/or a subscription under the terms described above. If You accept a free trial subscription for a Game that requires a subscription, and the trial period expires, You will not be able to resume Game play or any paid Services usage without updating Your information and/or purchasing the paid subscription Services. ZeniMax is under no obligation to notify You in advance of the free trial subscription expiring and You will be responsible for all charges incurred. Trial subscriptions are not transferable.
    6. Availability of Services and Content; Game Maintenance, Patches, Updates; Termination of Services

    ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or geographic locations, at any given time, or that it will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law, ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You. ZeniMax also reserves the right to refuse Your request(s) to acquire Content, and to limit or block any request to acquire Content, including, but not limited to, Downloadable Content, for any reason.

    ZeniMax may patch, update, or modify at any time with or without notice to You. Notwithstanding the foregoing, ZeniMax has no obligation to make available any patches, updates or modifications or correct any errors or defects in the Services. ZeniMax makes no guarantees about the persistence or availability of any user names or other personas at any time and assumes no liability for lost or deleted Account data. Except as prohibited by applicable law, You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, User-Generated Content and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion.

    Except as prohibited by applicable law, ZeniMax may restrict, suspend, or terminate Your access to some or any Services at any time. Should ZeniMax make a material change to the Services, it will provide You notice within the time period specified when You joined the particular Service, or if no time period for notice of material changes was specified, then within thirty (30) days of the date such notice is either (at ZeniMax’s discretion) provided to You via email or is posted on the applicable product or ZeniMax Service or on Your “My Account” section.

    In response to a violation of these Terms of Service, ZeniMax may issue You a warning, suspend or restrict certain features of Your Account (including, but not limited to, user names), selectively modify or remove or revoke Downloadable Content at an Account and/or device level, immediately terminate any and all Accounts that You have established and/or temporarily or permanently ban Your Account, device, and/or machine from accessing all or certain Services.

    ZeniMax may terminate Your access to the Services (i) for violation of these Terms of Service, (ii) if ZeniMax, in its sole discretion, deems that Your information is untrue, inaccurate, not complete or incomplete; (iii) Your use of such Services infringes on or is suspected to infringe on another’s rights or any intellectual property; (iv) that You or Your Account reflects inappropriate content and/or violates these Terms of Service. Any and all Content (including, but not limited to, Software, Content, and Downloadable Content) will be considered forfeit immediately in the event of any cancellation, closure, or termination of Your Account by ZeniMax.

    If ZeniMax terminates an Account, it may terminate other Accounts that share the same characteristics, such as the name on the account, email address, mailing address, Internet Protocol address, or credit card number or other Payment Method. ZeniMax reserves the right to use any means necessary and permitted under applicable law to identify and terminate Accounts.

    You acknowledge that in such circumstances, ZeniMax is not required to provide You notice before taking action to restrict, suspend or terminate Your access to or use of Services, and/or Your Account. If ZeniMax terminates Your Account, You may not use any Service again without ZeniMax's express written permission. ZeniMax reserves the right to refuse to keep Accounts for, and provide Services to, any individual. You may not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by ZeniMax to use Your Account.

    If Your Account, or a particular subscription for a Service associated with Your Account, is terminated or suspended and/or if any Downloadable Content is selectively removed, revoked or garnished from Your Account and/or if Your device is temporarily or permanently banned from accessing some or all of the Services, no refund will be granted, no Downloadable Content will be credited to You or converted to cash or other forms of reimbursement, and You will have no further access to Your Account or Downloadable Content associated with Your Account or the particular Service except where any action has been taken against Your Account or device in error. If You believe that any action has been taken against Your Account or device in error, please contact Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.
    7. Your Right to Cancel Your Account

    You have the right to cancel Your Account or a particular subscription to a Service at any time. Additional cancellation terms in respect of a particular subscription may be specified when You subscribe, in Your Account information, or in notices for subscription renewals.

    Contact ZeniMax's Customer Service at support.bethsoft.com to cancel Your Account or subscription to a Service.

    ZeniMax reserves the right to collect fees, applicable governmental charges (including sales tax, value added tax (VAT), goods and service tax (GST) and other taxes), or costs incurred before You cancel Your Account or a subscription to a Service. You are also responsible for any amounts owed to third-party vendors or content providers before Your cancellation. Any delinquent or unpaid fees and other unresolved issues must be settled before You establish a new Account.
    8. Rules of Conduct

    Except as prohibited by applicable law, ZeniMax has the right, in its sole discretion, to modify, restrict, suspend, or terminate Your access to the Services. As noted above, this could result because (i) Your information is untrue, inaccurate, not complete or incomplete; (ii) Your activities infringe on or are suspected to infringe on another’s rights or any intellectual property; (iii) ZeniMax in its sole discretion determined that You or Your Account reflects inappropriate content; or (iv) You or activities taken under or with Your Account violate the Terms of Service. Other Supplemental Terms pertaining to Your Service and/or Game, such as a Code of Conduct, provide guidance on behavior that ZeniMax deems to be inappropriate and specify restrictions on Your Account, Your use of the Game, or Your participation in the Services.

    You agree not to use any Service to:

    Take any action or upload, post, transmit, promote, or distribute any illegal content, including, but not limited to, User Generated Content;
    Take any action or upload, post, transmit, promote, or distribute any content that infringes or violates any third party rights;
    Engage in, take any action associated with, or participate in any type of child solicitation, grooming behavior, pedophilia, or predatory behavior in any form.
    Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc.;
    Take any action or upload, post, transmit, distribute, or communicate Your or any person’s real-world personal information;
    Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, ZeniMax, ZeniMax’s partners’ or affiliates’ employees, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent Your affiliation with a person or entity;
    Take any action, organize, transmit any content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;
    Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
    Take any action or upload, post, transmit, promote, or distribute any content that may contain a Trojan horse, virus, worm, spyware, time bombs, cancelbots, corrupted data or other computer programs that You do not own or have permission to freely distribute that may damage, interfere with, intercept, expropriate or disrupt the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), personal information, or confidential or proprietary information;
    Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within a Service, vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text], commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements, posting advertising or promotional messaging, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities.
    Attempt to get a password, Account information, or other private information from anyone else. As a reminder, ZeniMax employees will never ask You to reveal Your password.

    ZeniMax may report certain incidents to law enforcement and other authorities, including, but not limited to, disclosing Account information, in the good faith belief that it is required to do so by law, or that doing so is reasonably necessary to comply with legal processes; when it deems it necessary or appropriate to disclose certain information to law enforcement and other authorities, such as to investigate actual or suspected fraud or violations of law, breaches of security, or breaches of these Terms of Service and/or Supplementary Terms; to respond to any claims; or, to protect the rights, property, or personal safety of ZeniMax, our customers, or the public.

    Unless otherwise specified, there is no requirement or expectation that ZeniMax will monitor or record any online activity on the Services. ZeniMax reserves the right, but is under no obligation to monitor communications within, through or across the Services, such as in-Game or on forums. ZeniMax also reserves the right to access and/or record any online activity on the Services, and You give ZeniMax Your express consent to access and record Your activities. This includes, but is not limited to, Your consent to access, record, and turn over any online activity where ZeniMax believes that disclosure is necessary to comply with the law, to combat fraud and/or comply with a judicial proceeding, court order, or legal process served on ZeniMax or to comply with an order from a government entity or other competent authority, or when ZeniMax has reason to believe that a disclosure is necessary to address potential or actual injury or interference with ZeniMax’s, Your, or another user’s rights, property, or operations, or to protect others who may be harmed or may suffer loss or damage.

    You agree that in its sole discretion and without notice, ZeniMax may remove content from any Service, take whatever steps it deems necessary to abridge or prevent behavior of any sort in Services, including, but not limited to, in any Game(s). ZeniMax has no liability for Your or any third party's violation of this Agreement.

    If You encounter another user who is violating a code of conduct, please report this activity to ZeniMax by contacting ZeniMax Customer Service at support.bethsoft.com. If You are in-Game, You can report an issue using an in-Game help feature where applicable or You may contact Customer Service directly at help@zenimax.com.
    9. Your Use of the Services

    You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

    You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

    You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

    You acknowledge that You do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for certain Content (such as Game(s)), except as authorized in writing by an authorized ZeniMax representative. You may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement and the EULA.

    Please note that a violation of these terms of service may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offenses and ZeniMax reserves the right to take such action as zenimax in its sole discretion deems appropriate in the circumstances.

    ZeniMax in its sole discretion may implement various forms of filtering, blocking, or monitoring of IP addresses, MAC addresses or proxies used to use, play or access the Services, including without limitation blocking or filtering measures that restrict Your ability to use, play or access the Services. ZeniMax in its sole discretion may restrict access or certain features or Services to any person, territories or geographic areas.
    10. Third Party Sites and Products

    Services may be linked to unaffiliated third-party websites or applications, such as social networking, blogging and other third-party websites (collectively, “Third Party Sites”). Some of these third-party websites permit You to log in using their existing account and credentials. Certain Services may allow You to interact and/or conduct transactions with such Third-Party Sites, and, if applicable, allow You to configure Your privacy settings in Your Third-Party Site account to permit Your activities in connection with the Services to be shared with Your contacts in Your Third-Party Site account. In certain situations, You may be transferred to a Third Party Site through a link but it may appear that You are still using the Services. These Third Party Sites might require You to comply with the terms and conditions, user’s guides and privacy policies of such Third Party Sites.

    Some of these web sites may charge separate fees, which are not included in any subscription or other fees that You may pay under these Terms of Service. Any separate charges or obligations that You incur in Your dealings with third parties and Third Party Sites are Your responsibility and may subject You to additional or different terms and restrictions. You are always responsible for any internet service provider, telephone, wireless and other connection fees that You may incur when using any Services.

    ZeniMax provides access to the Third Party Sites to You as a convenience, and ZeniMax does not verify, make any representations or warranties or take responsibility for any such Third Party Sites. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU AGREE THAT ZENIMAX SHALL NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BE RESPONSIBLE OR LIABLE, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, FOR ANY GOODS, SERVICES, INFORMATION, RESOURCES AND/OR CONTENT AVAILABLE ON OR THROUGH ANY THIRD PARTY SITES AND/OR THIRD-PARTY DEALINGS OR COMMUNICATIONS, OR FOR ANY HARM RELATED THERETO, OR FOR ANY DAMAGES OR LOSS CAUSED OR ALLEGED TO BE CAUSED BY OR IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR USE OR RELIANCE ON THE CONTENT OR BUSINESS PRACTICES OF ANY THIRD PARTY. ZENIMAX DOES NOT ENDORSE, WARRANT OR GUARANTEE ANY THIRD PARTY SITES OR ANY GOODS, SERVICES, INFORMATION, RESOURCES AND/OR CONTENT OFFERED BY THIRD PARTIES THROUGH ZENIMAX OR ANY THIRD PARTY SITES AND WILL NOT BE A PARTY TO OR IN ANY WAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING ANY TRANSACTION BETWEEN YOU AND ANY PROVIDERS OF THIRD PARTY SITES OR GOODS, SERVICES, INFORMATION, RESOURCES AND/OR CONTENT OF THIRD-PARTIES.

    This Section 10 shall survive the termination of this Agreement.
    11. Disclaimer of Warranty

    TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR GUARANTEES TO YOU REGARDING ANY SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE. EACH SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS.

    IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE, YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO THE SERVICE. AS NOTED IN THIS AGREEMENT, WHEN YOU CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR SUBSCRIPTION TO A SERVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE FEES FOR THAT SERVICE UNLESS APPLICABLE LAW REQUIRES A REFUND BE GIVEN.

    IN SOME COUNTRIES, CERTAIN WARRANTIES MAY AUTOMATICALLY ARISE OR APPLY UNLESS THESE WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED. ZENIMAX AND ITS LICENSORS DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE ALL SUCH WARRANTIES EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, IF AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD-PARTY RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO ALL SERVICES AND ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES THAT ARISE FROM COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE.

    IF YOU ARE RESIDENT IN THE EEA, NORWAY, SWITZERLAND OR AUSTRALIA, THERE ARE CERTAIN GUARANTEES, WARRANTIES TERMS AND CONDITIONS, IMPOSED BY LAW RELATING TO THE SUPPLY OF GOODS OR SERVICES UNDER THIS AGREEMENT WHICH THE LAW EXPRESSLY PROVIDES MAY NOT BE EXCLUDED, RESTRICTED OR MODIFIED, INCLUDING THE CONSUMER GUARANTEES UNDER APPLICABLE CONSUMER LAW ("STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS"). THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION 11 ONLY APPLY TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE NOT CONTRARY TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS.

    NO WARRANTY IS GIVEN ABOUT THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF THE SERVICES. ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME LIABILITY FOR ANY INABILITY BY YOU TO ACCESS OR USE ANY SERVICES. ZENIMAX DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS OR USE SERVICES AT TIMES OR LOCATIONS OF YOUR CHOOSING, OR THAT ZENIMAX WILL HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY FOR SERVICES AS A WHOLE OR IN ANY SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

    IN STATES OR JURISDICTIONS THAT PROHIBIT THE DISCLAIMER OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES, ZENIMAX SHALL DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE WARRANTIES TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW AND THE DURATION OF ANY SUCH WARRANTY THAT MAY NOT BE DISCLAIMED SHALL BE FOR THE SHORTEST DURATION PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.

    THIS SECTION 11 SHALL SURVIVE THE TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT.
    12. Limitation of Liability; Limited Remedies

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  • seaker6969b14_ESO
    Valn wrote: »
    DIGITAL PRE-PURCHASE BONUSES + EXPLORER'S PACK
    5 DAYS EARLY GAME
    ACCESS
    Note the word BONUS.

    For pre ordering the game (buying the game before release day) you were given a BONUS of 5 days early access, not included in the price. It's just a little BONUS for pre-ordering the game.

    Stop complaining about something you got for free (5 days early access).

    so your saying it is ok to lie to the people that your trying to sell to!!!!
  • zeeaccount
    zeeaccount
    Soul Shriven
    I personally think we've been duped into doing Beta testing for them. Early access to me means you have full access not a partial service. We parted with our money early on the basis that we would get this bonus of early access. If not we would have waited until launch day and kept the money in the bank.

    They have benefited greatly out of this deal, not only have they had the money earlier (improving cash flow), then have had confirmed orders (keep the share holder happy), but they also had a better idea of number on launch day. So to say that they were giving it out of the kindness of there heart is rubbish.

    Tonight's outage seems to have been the plan. We should have been told about it.

    If they want to keep the player on side they are going to need to be open and honest with us. Even if it means admitting that they made a mistake.

    So far I would rate it:-

    Game play 5/5
    Tech Support 1/5
    Reliability 2/5

    they really need to up there game if you want to keep there player base.




  • Valn
    Valn
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    Crixxz wrote: »
    Early access is not beta, people paid for it, and you can't just shut down servers every day for bugfixing or patching.. I'm really disappointed.

    Nope, WRONGGGGGGGGGGG

    People paid for the game. Nobody paid for the early access because they're a bonus. :)

    Also, you do realize this game got put online like 4 days ago? Of course they have to patch it
  • DEATHSHEAD288b14_ESO
    notice the early access part? you lose. end discussion.
  • seaker6969b14_ESO
    Affrayer wrote: »
    Let's all take a second to laugh at ourselves here
    FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS
    but it is a lie
    it looks like that is all ZOS can do is lie
  • Jadeviper1974
    Jadeviper1974
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    Valn wrote: »
    zamiel wrote: »
    Valn wrote: »
    Actually, I'm right.

    The pre-order bonus items were stuff given to you if you pre ordered the game. The act of pre ordering the game gave you these unique items, the same as being given free coupons if you buy 10 or more rolls of toilet paper. Can you get these items in game if you buy the game say next week? No, because they aren't included with the game.

    Actually you are wrong.
    Those items included a 5 days early access as well.
    All these were offered to make you pay in advance - helping the short term cashflow of the company and providing them assets to use until they have to start to provide services. Paying in advance is not a neutral stance, it's clearly beneficial to the receiver.

    Yet they failed to deliver one part of the product - the 5 days early access.


    Obviously the free 5 day early access and other pre order bonuses were just incentives to make people pre purchase the game. They were not included in the price. They were free bonuses to get people to pre order the game.

    How exactly have they failed in delivering the 5 days early access free bonus? I know some people have had problems connecting, some haven't been able to play at all, but they won't get compensation, because those pre -order bonuses were free.

    Ok, now lets play with "incentives". So you go to a place to buy a car because they promise you a $1200 cash incentive, if you purchase today. So you go buy a car and then ask for your $1200, but then they tell you that it's not going to be $1200 its only going to be $900 incentive, after the fact. So that is fine with you since it was only an "incentive" or do you expect the $1200 that you were promised for "buying today"?

    Oh, and if you say you would be ok with the $900, I am gonna go ahead and call you a liar in advance so I don't have to waste my time posting it later, just in case.
    What is written above are my honest opinions. If you agree then; "Great!" If you disagree; "Great!" I really couldn't care less either way.
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