Missing skill point on old characters

ZeroXFF · July 2018

There is no "general" representative and a fitting feedback thread, so I'll do it like this, and hopefully this finally gets addressed.

Since Morrowind there is a skill point that is unobtainable by characters made prior to its release (and presumably also by characters that were made on accounts that don't have Vvardenfell or Summerset unlocked). While the gameplay effects are relatively small, it is a bug and should be addressed, especially considering that it interferes with certain playstyles (completionists and builds requiring a lot of skill points like crafters who also play as more than one role in group content). Please ask the dev team to resolve the issue, for example by allowing people to complete an additional or even all tutorials, because this is after all content that people payed for.

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Aliyavana · July 2018

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404450/major-oversight-summerset-tutorial-missable-skillpoint-feedback/p1 They knew about this and I even made a post before the beta started. Posts such as these will be attacked by the "omg its only 1 skillpoint stop complaining because its nothing" crowd. As a completionist I don't plan to restart my character with 27k achievement points and saying to get over it isn't a great solution.

ZeroXFF · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404450/major-oversight-summerset-tutorial-missable-skillpoint-feedback/p1 They knew about this and I even made a post before the beta started

That they did. However with the representative program we see feedback threads asking for "top two pain points", and unrelated to any class or role specific mechanic, for me this is one of them. There are plenty of things that they know but don't do anything about, and the representatives are supposed to tell them what to start with. So hence this thread.

Huyen · July 2018

Once again: there are no missing skillpoints. All the tutorials award 3 if you skip them, even the one before morrowind did. So stop complaining. Its not like you really need them, or that they are gamebreaking....

Aliyavana · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

Once again: there are no missing skillpoints. All the tutorials award 3 if you skip them, even the one before morrowind did. So stop complaining. Its not like you really need them, or that they are gamebreaking....

No, if you created your character before morrowind or summerset you are missing a tutorial skillpoint from a chapter. a character that was created after owning summerset or morrowind can do their tutorial's skillpoint, then get the original tutorial skillpoint from the base game. And you don't say what we need or don't need. As a completionist, I need all the skillpoints in the game.

OrdoHermetica · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

Once again: there are no missing skillpoints. All the tutorials award 3 if you skip them, even the one before morrowind did. So stop complaining. Its not like you really need them, or that they are gamebreaking....

Except that Morrowind or Summerset characters can get the base game tutorial skillpoint - everyone can go through Soul Shriven in Cold Harbour - while the reverse is not true. I don't personally care about a single skillpoint, but what you're saying is simply false.

Aliyavana · July 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Once again: there are no missing skillpoints. All the tutorials award 3 if you skip them, even the one before morrowind did. So stop complaining. Its not like you really need them, or that they are gamebreaking....

Except that Morrowind or Summerset characters can get the base game tutorial skillpoint - everyone can go through Soul Shriven in Cold Harbour - while the reverse is not true. I don't personally care about a single skillpoint, but what you're saying is simply false.

this is more reasonable, you stated that you don't care about one skillpoint unlike the other poster who wanted to decide for me what I do and don't need

Huyen · July 2018

Once again, there is no extra skillpoint! I've been playing since beta and I have never completed a tutorial with one extra skillpoint. This thread pops up every few weeks, and everytime people want stuff that doesnt exist *sigh*

Aliyavana · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

Once again, there is no extra skillpoint! I've been playing since beta and I have never completed a tutorial with one extra skillpoint. This thread pops up every few weeks, and everytime people want stuff that doesnt exist *sigh*

We just explained to you how a skillpoint is missing, did you miss that?

Huyen · July 2018

I got both a summerset character an morrowind character and they both didnt get am extra skillpoint. Explain that smartass! You are just making me mad with your ignorance here. Its like you are so bent on your own beliefs you fail to see whats really going on...I pity the fool that thinks there is an extra skillpoint.

N00BxV1 · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

I got both a summerset character an morrowind character and they both didnt get am extra skillpoint. Explain that smartass! You are just making me mad with your ignorance here. Its like you are so bent on your own beliefs you fail to see whats really going on...I pity the fool that thinks there is an extra skillpoint.

- Base tutorial - Soul Shriven in Coldharbour.
- Morrowind tutorial - Broken Bonds.
- Summerset tutorial - The Mind Trap.

A ) All characters have access to the base game tutorial. (+1 skill point)
B ) Characters created pre-morrowind are unable to do either chapter tutorial. (+0 skill point)
C ) Characters created during morrowind can do its tutorial but not summerset's. (+1 skill point)
D ) Characters created during summerset can do its tutorial but not morrowind's. (+1 skill point)

- Pre-morrowind character skill points from tutorials: A + B = 1
- Morrowind character skill points from tutorials: A + C = 2
- Summerset character skill points from tutorials: A + D = 2

If we were wrong about the skill points, then wouldn't a dev have chimed in and corrected us after over a year of bitching about it? lul

This is from the addon "Urich's Skill Point Finder". The character was created in 2014 and has done everything except pvp rank, 4 shards in enemy bases and imperial city quest. "Morrowind Character" and "Summerset Character" are skill points from those tutorials which this character is unable to get either of.

OrdoHermetica · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

I got both a summerset character an morrowind character and they both didnt get am extra skillpoint. Explain that smartass! You are just making me mad with your ignorance here. Its like you are so bent on your own beliefs you fail to see whats really going on...I pity the fool that thinks there is an extra skillpoint.

...so, you get a Skillpoint from the Summerset tutorial, and you get a Skillpoint from the Morrowind tutorial, and you get a Skillpoint from the base game tutorial, Soul Shriven in Cold Harbor.

Here's the thing: if you start with just the base game, you can never do either the Summerset or Morrowind tutorial. You literally cannot get that Skillpoint. Ever. However, if you start in Summerset or Morrowind, you CAN get the Skillpoint from the base game tutorial.

It's basic math. Characters created without Summerset or Morrowind have access to a single Skillpoint from the base game tutorial. Characters created with Summerset or Morrowind have access to two - the Summerset or Morrowind tutorial AND the base game tutorial.

Huyen · July 2018

There is an skyshard in the basegame tutorial, not an skillpoint...

OrdoHermetica · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

There is an skyshard in the basegame tutorial, not an skillpoint...

You are mistaken. A Skillpoint is also awarded upon completion, though yes, you also get a Skyshard. (The quest is linked above.)

EDIT: Video evidence if you'd like to see it:

https://youtu.be/SaUn8exeW_s?t=17m7s

Award is at 17:07 if the link doesn't take you there automatically.

Qyrk · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

There is an skyshard in the basegame tutorial, not an skillpoint...

Half-WRONG. You get a skyshard AND a skill point on base game tutorial. Get YOUR facts straight.

G1Countdown · July 2018

I don't see why they don't make a quest available to those affected to go through the missing story/content and make that skill point available.

Like they did with the

main quest for those who got Morrowind. You go into a house. Get bonked on the head. Slapped on a table and then knifed....

Aarlur · July 2018

The pre-morrowind characters can have a firemoth island quest, which is not availavable for those who done the tutorial (in this one you have to back and rescue the prisoners), but I dont know if its give a skillpoint or not.

NightbladeMechanics · July 2018

Hmmmm I see. I didn't know about this before. It's certainly peculiar, and I understand your frustration. I'll pass this thread and the one linked in the comments to the team. Thanks!

Everstorm · July 2018

Aarlur wrote: »

The pre-morrowind characters can have a firemoth island quest, which is not availavable for those who done the tutorial (in this one you have to back and rescue the prisoners), but I dont know if its give a skillpoint or not.

Pretty sure it does.

Elsonso · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

There is an skyshard in the basegame tutorial, not an skillpoint...

Wailing Prison does give 1 Skill Point, upon completion, whether or not the character has completed a Chapter tutorial. This is granted after talking to The Prophet after escaping through the anchor.

ZeroXFF · July 2018

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Hmmmm I see. I didn't know about this before. It's certainly peculiar, and I understand your frustration. I'll pass this thread and the one linked in the comments to the team. Thanks!

Thank you!

Ydrisselle · July 2018

Huyen wrote: »

I got both a summerset character an morrowind character and they both didnt get am extra skillpoint. Explain that smartass! You are just making me mad with your ignorance here. Its like you are so bent on your own beliefs you fail to see whats really going on...I pity the fool that thinks there is an extra skillpoint.

You are wrong, as it was stated before. A character created in the vanilla ESO can't complete the Morrowind or the Summerset tutorial, although both give a skill point. Every character can complete the base game tutorial in Coldharbour, for a skill point. So for example my main toon, which I started after the release but before Morrowind, can't do either the Morrowind or the Summerset tutorial, therefore she will never get the skillpoint for those quests.

Aliyavana · July 2018

Aarlur wrote: »

The pre-morrowind characters can have a firemoth island quest, which is not availavable for those who done the tutorial (in this one you have to back and rescue the prisoners), but I dont know if its give a skillpoint or not.

It doesn't. Only the tutorial version does

Aliyavana · July 2018

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Hmmmm I see. I didn't know about this before. It's certainly peculiar, and I understand your frustration. I'll pass this thread and the one linked in the comments to the team. Thanks!

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