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Killing a sorc isn't so bad but i do think its BS that they have the best execute in the game. The hardest part about finishing a kill is getting off that execute before they heal out of execute range. Mages Wrath/endless fury takes one of the most important factors of a fight completely out of the equation.

Which brings us to several questions.

A ) Who should have the best execute? Or should all executes function in the exact same way? Wouldn't that be boring? Also then every pre-applied execute must be reworked. Just as a reminder, I can start jesus beaming someone and hope their health drops low enough while I channel. Also Poison Injection is a pre-applied execute DoT. "It's nowhere near as effective" you might say, but the mechanics are still similar, and that is what you're talking about, the mechanic.

B ) People lost many, many tears when ZOS decided to rip apart a well functioning, unique class mechanic from Dragonknights when they made whip dodgeable (stun-> break free, subsequent root lured people to dodge out of roots instead of blocking undodgeable whips), remember? Point is, unique mechanics and a well synergyzing class kit is important for every class.

C ) Many stam builds revert to dodge healing when they drop near or below execute range. A PI already applied or an undodgeable AoE execute also takes skill out of the equation. Doesn't it?

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Changes from patch to patch.

That’s why I usually have 4 different PvP characters, you never know what the next meta will be.

StamWarden, StamBlade, MagSorc, and MagBlade,

I can say with absolute certainty that regardless of the patch Stamblades are everywhere

right now stamblades arent nearly as popular as they were the patch before

honestly I'm seeing very few good stamblades anymore. Most are stamblades in bgs are snipe spammers

Wasn't it always like this? Okay, more stamblades than currently but most of them were snipers from the back, at least in Cyro.

Please dont try to act as if Mages Wrath and PI are the same... One is much better than the other and one everyone has access to. PI is a dot execute and much easier to deal with. Also trying to say radiant is as good as mages wrath is honestly a joke that isn't very funny.

Im not saying clases should be homogenized and made to be the same but mages wrath/endless fury helps to make sorcs the easiest class to play in PvP (stam sorc even easisr to play) and i dislike it. Im not even saying it should be nerfed or changed, it just rubs me the wrong way. Just hope all you sorcs out there realize you have it on easy street especially for BGs. I discovered that after using my own for a bit...

Good way to talk past my points. You say the mechanic of pre-applied executes is what makes sorcs so strong, but continue to ignore that it isn't even the only execute that can be applied before the threshold. I even mentioned what you said in my own comment ("not as effective") but this is surely only about mechanics, isn't it?

And what I don't get is, you say mag sorc is so easy to play because of that mechanic, yet so deem stam sorcs as even easier, who have no access to said execute. So what makes them even easier? Implosion?

As far as Battlegrounds go... I assume you're talking about kill stealing... I see it more of an scoring issue, but whatever, yep, change a well synergyzing class mechanic because of lazy scoring systems.

I'm talking past your points because they are bad points. PI is a dot It does not deal an immediate large chunk of damage as soon as you get into execute range.

Radiant destruction is a channeling execute so you can do literally nothing else while the execute is on while a sorc can continue to cast other abilities and shied and heal and still attack while executing. I rarely even see magplars use this in PvP because of how restrictive it is on movement and because it is a channel.

Stamsorcs are even easier because all they have to do is pop hurricane, dawnbrearker and spin to win with their aoe undodgeable execute and implosion to boot. Maybe throw in a twin slashes for good measure. Its the easiest rotation in the game for PvP. Add in that many stamsorcs are slotting runecage and its honestly a joke.

I never even said i want it to be changed. I specifically said im not calling for a nerf. I just want PvP sorcs to realize they are playing the class with the least amount of skill required to play it. I kill them sometimes and they kill me sometimes. It's just that one of us actually has to try. I'm fine with that. Makes the kill that much sweeter.

Guess that still came across wrong. I agree with you that neither PI nor RD are on the same effective level as Wrath. But it seemed you dislike the whole idea of delayed executes. I just wanted to remind that there are a few instances and that the mechanic itself isn't entirely unique. Is it annoying? Sure it can be, especially when focused and outnumbered. But mechanic wise is doesn't change the fact that PI damage boosts as soon as your health dips low, even when pre-applied (sort of the point of and DoT, isn't it?) or get RD up with a timed Purifying Light. But yes, Wrath is still stronger.

You said you wouldn't change it, me neither. I wouldn't even know how to change it without making it sorc's impale. But that isn't our issue.

I see where you're coming from with stam sorcs. But mind that they could do that for ages and nobody ever said "stam sorcs are so easy in PvP". Don't even know where the hype comes from now. Neither Implosion nor Hurricane got buffed, and the rest isn't even class specific. So must be Rune Cage that caused the shift, I guess? But the cage dmg on a stamsorc should be really low.

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Cant beat 'em? join 'em

KraziJoe wrote: »

It's about time they started buffing up us Health Sorcs!!!
WHY NO LOVE FOR HEALTH SORCS!?!?!?