Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.

Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.

I don't say this out of disrespect toward you, but if you're going to base this reply on the number of whatever's you got on the post.... you better be glad there's no "disagree" or "downvote" option in these forums... I don't see you favoring well in that system.

The posts speaking out against me count as downvotes. There are clearly more down votes than there are agrees. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I do have people that agree with me.

This would eradicate the idea that I am just some tone deaf person that everyone detests on the forums as some have said. It also destroys the argument in its entirety.

I don't believe it would matter if there were zero people agreeing with you. You've showed your persistence, and I'm sure nothing would or should stop you from speaking your mind. But you're also not going to prove or disprove any opinions that you're tone deaf, nor would you be anywhere close to eradicating such opinions.

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.

So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.

Congratulations, at least 14 people agree with you.

Unfortunately, this does nothing to convince me of the benefits of "realistic" weapon swapping over the current system of fluid weapon swapping that we have, or why we should change ESO's weapon swapping system to emulate some of the clunkiest parts of Skyrim's. I still disagree with your idea and touting your "agrees" and other reactions is not convincing me otherwise.

Maybe we can stick to the topic instead of talking about the people you think are baiting you?

You would greatly enjoy me not being able to defend myself. Perhaps you report the threads when I do.

Knowledge, defend yourself if you want. But inevitably the mods come through and clean up the back and forth, and I'd rather this thread didn't get that treatment because it stayed out of the back and forth, hence my suggestion that it stay on topic. I generally find it better to mount a strong defense of my ideas when people argue with me, seeking to convince them of the benefits of the changes I want to see, rather than argue that people agree with me. That's all well and good, but usually I'm seeking to convince the people who disagree with me, and that requires supporting my ideas with specific ways the change I propose would benefit the game and addressing the ways people against it point out that it could be detrimental. I think you'd have a stronger argument if you chose to keep the thread on topic and response to the sensible criticisms rather than the bait.

I intend this as helpful advice, hopefully it comes across as such.

Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.

Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.

I don't say this out of disrespect toward you, but if you're going to base this reply on the number of whatever's you got on the post.... you better be glad there's no "disagree" or "downvote" option in these forums... I don't see you favoring well in that system.

The posts speaking out against me count as downvotes. There are clearly more down votes than there are agrees. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I do have people that agree with me.

This would eradicate the idea that I am just some tone deaf person that everyone detests on the forums as some have said. It also destroys the argument in its entirety.

I don't believe it would matter if there were zero people agreeing with you. You've showed your persistence, and I'm sure nothing would or should stop you from speaking your mind. But you're also not going to prove or disprove any opinions that you're tone deaf, nor would you be anywhere close to eradicating such opinions.

Okay, lets take this a step further because you're beginning to walk the line of deeply offensive statements that are likely not acceptable in most places.

I will now ask you what you mean by "tone deaf".

Are you saying I am mentally disabled?

Are you saying I am handicap in some capacity?

Please do not be afraid to adequately describe your opinion.

Your use of "tone deaf" is obviously not the literal definition which would be: "(of a person) unable to perceive differences of musical pitch accurately.

Clearly we're not speaking about music at this time so I am wondering what you mean? Is this your clever way of telling me I am handicap indirectly?

What? No way man, I'm sorry if it came off like that. I was literally just quoting the term you've used multiple times in responses. I have no idea if it means something more offensive. I definitely didn't mean to be deeply offensive, I was just trying to argue your point with logic. The only offensive things I said were just directly quoted from what you said. Again, I'm really sorry I said something that was taken that offensively.

Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.

Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.

I don't say this out of disrespect toward you, but if you're going to base this reply on the number of whatever's you got on the post.... you better be glad there's no "disagree" or "downvote" option in these forums... I don't see you favoring well in that system.

The posts speaking out against me count as downvotes. There are clearly more down votes than there are agrees. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I do have people that agree with me.

This would eradicate the idea that I am just some tone deaf person that everyone detests on the forums as some have said. It also destroys the argument in its entirety.

I don't believe it would matter if there were zero people agreeing with you. You've showed your persistence, and I'm sure nothing would or should stop you from speaking your mind. But you're also not going to prove or disprove any opinions that you're tone deaf, nor would you be anywhere close to eradicating such opinions.

Okay, lets take this a step further because you're beginning to walk the line of deeply offensive statements that are likely not acceptable in most places.

I will now ask you what you mean by "tone deaf".

Are you saying I am mentally disabled?

Are you saying I am handicap in some capacity?

Please do not be afraid to adequately describe your opinion.

Your use of "tone deaf" is obviously not the literal definition which would be: "(of a person) unable to perceive differences of musical pitch accurately.

Clearly we're not speaking about music at this time so I am wondering what you mean? Is this your clever way of telling me I am handicap indirectly?

What? No way man, I'm sorry if it came off like that. I was literally just quoting the term you've used multiple times in responses. I have no idea if it means something more offensive. I definitely didn't mean to be deeply offensive, I was just trying to argue your point with logic. The only offensive things I said were just directly quoted from what you said. Again, I'm really sorry I said something that was taken that offensively.

But you stated " But you're also not going to prove or disprove any opinions that you're tone deaf, nor would you be anywhere close to eradicating such opinions. "

So, what do you mean by tone deaf?

I thought the term meant distasteful or that someone didn't agree with your opinion. I'd like to emphasize again that I didn't have a clue what anyone intended by it. I just used the term because you used it in the post I was replying to. Very sorry again if the term was offensive.

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

On PC Skyrim, I could assign hotkeys to the Favorites menu and swap weapons or spells with the press of a single button.

Same for Morrowind. Same for Oblivion.

What's that about not being able to swap weapons in previous Elder Scrolls games?

Consoles.

How is that a response to the claim that this was already part of elder scrolls games?

Just respond, "oh yeah, I forgot about that."

I think there are more important matters that need to be adressed regarding the combat system.
Like..

Get rid of this stupid soft-lock and give us proper action-based combat.
It's not like this is impossible. Has been done before... even before ESO came out or was even announced. (e.g. Tera)

I want my sword to actually have to hit the target in order to make damage.
Not just "be close enough and look in the general direction"

And while i realize that this is no easy task so far into the games lifespan, it's not like ZeniMax hasn't redone some system of the games in the past already.

Staves are the only weapons that are actually fun atm. imo. (Lightning Staff ftw.)
Yes they still lock-on to the target.. but at least the magic actually hits the target.

Anyway.. don't wanna go too much into detail. Time is precious.
But i'm sure you know what i mean.

Last night, I fought a HUGE flying demon in a location on another plane of existence. And then, I completed a storyline by dying, helping three ghosts, and then coming back to life so they could have their vengeance. Afterwards, a living god wished me well and sent me on my way to other locations needing my assistance.

I am constantly in AWE when it comes to the realism this game has to offer. I mean, how do they do it?

Knowledge wrote: »

NyPetiwowp wrote: »

l2P, Console peasant

How does me playing on console make me a peasant?

It's an old joke from Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw. (You can probably dig him up on Wikipedia now.) The dichotomy was Glorious PC Master Race/Filthy Console Peasants. However, timing was kinda relevant, because this dates back to when major publishers (particularly EA and Activision) were completely abandoning porting games to PC, so the joke was darkly ironic.

Now, a decade later, it's often played straight with most of the subtlety scraped, or delivered as actual fact, rather than as a bit of humor.

Knowledge wrote: »

Aiko wrote: »

I think there are more important matters that need to be adressed regarding the combat system.
Like..

Get rid of this stupid soft-lock and give us proper action-based combat.
It's not like this is impossible. Has been done before... even before ESO came out or was even announced. (e.g. Tera)

I want my sword to actually have to hit the target in order to make damage.
Not just "be close enough and look in the general direction"

And while i realize that this is no easy task so far into the games lifespan, it's not like ZeniMax hasn't redone some system of the games in the past already.

Staves are the only weapons that are actually fun atm. imo. (Lightning Staff ftw.)
Yes they still lock-on to the target.. but at least the magic actually hits the target.

Anyway.. don't wanna go too much into detail. Time is precious.
But i'm sure you know what i mean.

I agree with this.

It will screw up the game's balance because Bosmers will be OP. No one will make big or fat characters, everyone will go for the smallest thinnest Bosmer possible.

But hey, you agree.

"Weapon swap was clunky in previous games, make it more clunky here too"

Logic... TBH, it wasn't hard in the other games. Learn to hotkey favorite items. Click of one of 8 buttons and you swap...

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Aiko wrote: »

I think there are more important matters that need to be adressed regarding the combat system.
Like..

Get rid of this stupid soft-lock and give us proper action-based combat.
It's not like this is impossible. Has been done before... even before ESO came out or was even announced. (e.g. Tera)

I want my sword to actually have to hit the target in order to make damage.
Not just "be close enough and look in the general direction"

And while i realize that this is no easy task so far into the games lifespan, it's not like ZeniMax hasn't redone some system of the games in the past already.

Staves are the only weapons that are actually fun atm. imo. (Lightning Staff ftw.)
Yes they still lock-on to the target.. but at least the magic actually hits the target.

Anyway.. don't wanna go too much into detail. Time is precious.
But i'm sure you know what i mean.

I agree with this.

It will screw up the game's balance because Bosmers will be OP. No one will make big or fat characters, everyone will go for the smallest thinnest Bosmer possible.

But hey, you agree.

Well, I mean, the other option is to give them all the same hitboxes... which would be weird as hell. "No, that arrow missed me!" "But, you're a Bosmer. You're like two and a half orcs pent up in a little ball of hatred and rage." Or, of course, "What gives!? I shot that ludicrously tall Nord in the head and he didn't even flinch!" "Yeah, they don't use those for anything, shoot 'em in the throat, that's a head shot."

logarifmik wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I tend to agree with OP 100%. I don't see any crucial advantages in using two weapons with two skill bars instead of one weapon and two skill bars. I know, though, that almost all current builds will become obsolete with this change, which will lead to a lot of whining from the majority of players, but I think that it'll make gameplay healthier and more logical for the newcomers. Also, I think, that recent two-handed weapon change favors OP's idea.

Sounds incredibly limiting and lacking variety.
Also once you understand it, it's certainly not a problem.
Try to make two hander work in the system. Not completely destroy the system

Variety? Is it still really a thing to use two different sets on different bars? Or do you mean using, for example, sword and shield on the main bar and bow on the back bar?

Both discussed approaches have pros and cons, though it would be great to have an option to use one weapon for both bars. I play a Sorcerer mostly, and from my experience most of the time I need to use identical staves on both bars. Personally, I would like to be able to use one stave instead of "two different copies of the same one", as an option of course, not a universal rule.

UPD: Correction. Staves are not identical, they have different enchants. Two weapons approach makes sense from this point of view.

Yes at least for pve its a pretty big deal. vMA stave back bar is pretty common. Bow back bar, dw front bar is also extremely important. In pvp it is just as, if not more important. Certain 5pc bonuses that are activated can carry over to your other bar, so it adds another layer of skill, complexity, and diversity to the game. That being said the random lag in bar swapping is a real problem that i really hope is addressed at some point. Its especially problematic with the random stuttering we are getting ever since summerset dropped.

What SHOULD be done is the skill bar should simply be extended to accompany more skills and abilities. This would add additional complexity and skill to the game.

I would kill for just ONE more skill slot on my bar!

I'm a disabled player and I simply can't weapon swap. So I've come up with a Magicka Templar build that only uses one skill bar (and 3 active skills).

Structured Entropy > Reflective Light > Puncturing Sweeps > Radiant Aura > Inner Light > Shooting Star

It works amazingly well, but I don't have room for my healing skill (Breath of Life) which can sometimes get a bit hairy. So if I just had ONE more skill slot everything would be perfect.

The OP is right about one thing: weapon swap is a complete break from anything you'd find in reality.

It is a real shame too, 'cause if there is anything the fantasy RPG genre is known for, it is realism.

I mean, if I don't leave work in a certain window of time, my commute home is RUINED by the 1718 spawn of the dolmen at the intersection of Parkes Way and ANZAC Parade. It just ruins traffic for hours, since it isn't as popular as some of the other dolmens.

Oh look, another of knowledge's instigating and completely redundant threads to farm +1's