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Well, I'm not afraid to say it... Weapon swapping is unrealistic and the combat system needs help.
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Ok, let me just make my 10slot hotbar.
Slot 1:Offensive Spammable
Slot 2: Self-heal
Slot 3: Major Sorcerery buff
Slots 4-9: SIX PASSIVE SLOTTING BUFFS, ALL SHALL LOOK UPON ME AND DESPAIR
Slot 10: Maybe a DoT?4 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭I actually prefer the weapon slot/swapping in ESO over other MMO's.
I don't need to have weird hand contortions and/or numerous macros so I can use my skills.
ESO is simple. You choose what to slot and when to swap.
Gets the job done.Edited by Juju_beans on June 23, 2018 9:05PM4 -
Lyss1991✭✭✭✭Dont touch my back bar.
PS4 NA EST June 2016 | GM of Tamriel’s Outkasts Social Guild | Main - Assylah - Max CP Breton Mag Sorc - Master Angler - Mageslayer - Shehai Shatterer - Ophidian Overlord | Best Thief in Tamriel - Khajiit NB Purrfecta Meowna | Aspiring Master Crafter | Achievement Hunter | Recipe/Blueprint Enthusiast | Costume Junkie | Primary Residence - Princely Dawnlight Palace0 -
Lyss1991✭✭✭✭Also, If you have trouble bar swapping..You just need practice. Its insanely simple and becomes part of your rotation. Go stand in front of a test dummy and pound it out until bar swapping becomes second nature.PS4 NA EST June 2016 | GM of Tamriel’s Outkasts Social Guild | Main - Assylah - Max CP Breton Mag Sorc - Master Angler - Mageslayer - Shehai Shatterer - Ophidian Overlord | Best Thief in Tamriel - Khajiit NB Purrfecta Meowna | Aspiring Master Crafter | Achievement Hunter | Recipe/Blueprint Enthusiast | Costume Junkie | Primary Residence - Princely Dawnlight Palace0
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cjechurchill✭✭✭The combat in Skyrim is woeful. I can not believe you want to make ESO more like that....3
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firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭Well maybe there are other reasons for a change ..i am happy to hear about those. Realistic is not a persuasive argument.
We can cast lighning and fire ou the end of sticks. So ya im not. Buying what your selling1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »On PC Skyrim, I could assign hotkeys to the Favorites menu and swap weapons or spells with the press of a single button.
Same for Morrowind. Same for Oblivion.
What's that about not being able to swap weapons in previous Elder Scrolls games?
Consoles.
So in the interests of mirroring the Elder Scrolls experience of past games, clearly the answer is for PC players to be able to weapon swap with a button press and for console players to have to slowly swap between weapons using the menus,
Wait, what?
I don't think you are making the point you think you are making...because the alternative is saying the everyone should lose weapon swap because console players couldn't weapon swap easily in Skyrim. Which again, wait, what?
I would think it would be better to embrace ZOS bringing the ease of weapon swapping to consoles, too, in a game originally designed for PC. But then I'm not in the habit of suggesting massive game changes on a regular basis, so what do I know?
Btw, we make the company money. Console sales etc blow PC outta the water.
Doesn't matter why the game was made, it must cater to the console crowd rather than just give PC players more abilities0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Say good bye to bar swap cancelling those long drawn out animations, too... (Your rotation will go slower, not faster)Edited by Merlin13KAGL on June 25, 2018 12:44AMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Rogue_Ghost✭✭✭So... the suggestion here is to dismantle the control scheme everyone else has been using just fine for years - because you don't like it?
Seems mildly pretentious and unrealistic - don't you think?
"Death smiles at us all. All one can do, is smile back."1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In Skyrim I had bows hot keyed to 1, sword to 2, another sword to 3, dagger to 4 ect, ect. The more restrictive way we have in ESO is fine.
Good point. I had a bunch of hotkeys (bow, sword, shield, a few spells).
And I finally watched that video - wow, that's a troll vid. The guy has dozens of things in his favorite menu so it's a mess to find stuff, and he takes forever to scroll back and forth a few times deciding what he wants. It's like he went out of his way to make it as slow as possible. Someone with an organized favorites would be through that in half a second - open menu, tab up or down 1-2 spots (which you'd have in muscle memory after playing for an hour), select.
But that still has no bearing on ESO's system, since they're designed to do different things. Skyrim's equipment selecting is just that - selecting what's equipped. ESO is toggling between two action bars. Skyrim doesn't have action bars to start with. There's no comparing the two.
And now I'm putting way too much thought into replying to a Knowledge thread.0 -
runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's been so refreshing not having to read this pretentious, tone deaf nonsense on the forums for a while.2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.
So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.Edited by Knowledge on June 24, 2018 12:25AM1 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.
Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.0 -
Rogue_Ghost✭✭✭I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.
So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.
I gave you an insightful on that one.
Not because I agree, but only because I am secretly hoping it caters to your huge ego enough that you'll be satisfied and thus prevent additional nonsense.
Changing the entire structure of the game, for you and a handful of others, is simply unrealistic. Everyone else has been using these controls for years without trouble. This is SJW at it's finest, and now it's officially effecting ESO? Please! It's bad enough in the real world as it is."Death smiles at us all. All one can do, is smile back."5 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rogue_Ghost wrote: »I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.
So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.
I gave you an insightful on that one.
Not because I agree, but only because I am secretly hoping it caters to your huge ego enough that you'll be satisfied and thus prevent additional nonsense.
Changing the entire structure of the game, for you and a handful of others, is simply unrealistic. Everyone else has been using these controls for years without trouble. This is SJW at it's finest, and now it's officially effecting ESO? Please! It's bad enough in the real world as it is.
If you don't really think it was insightful I would encourage you to remove it.0 -
CiliPadi✭✭✭✭It's OK as it is. Don't give ZOS any ideas. Everytime they try to "fix" something, it explodes horribly.
Edited by CiliPadi on June 24, 2018 12:34AM0 -
XiDiabolismiX✭✭✭The combat system in the Elder Scrolls Online is in desperate need of an overhaul. You know it, I know it, we all know it.
In this thread I would like to address the first problem with the combat system and that is weapon swapping.
First of all, I know this is a high fantasy game but it does follow some semblance of reality. Our characters move like people do and they can only sprint for so long.
So, it would seem that the game tries to be similar to reality in some areas.
Weapon swapping is a problem in ESO and it is also unrealistic. It is also a departure from how other Elder Scrolls games worked. It is more of a copy of Guild Wars 2.
In Skyrim, if you wanted to swap weapons, you had to go through a menu or bring up your favorite list. There was no hot swapping of weaponry.
This is an example of how clunky it was to swap weapons in Skyrim.
https://youtu.be/fTN6m_XDZKM?t=59s
Moreover, there is no need for us to be swapping weapons. What we need is a larger range of abilities to use and a single weapon. The idea of someone running around with several weapons and instantaneously swapping from a greatsword to a sword and shield is ridiculous and is not something that is truly enjoyable. ESO has several similarities to Guild Wars and perhaps the developers thought we'd enjoy this concept since GW2 was somewhat popular.
In the first suggested step of a combat overhaul I propose that we go one of two routes. The first is to have swappable skills instead of swappable weapons. In this system you would have a single weapon and just simply swap skills. I do not like this idea but it is the least invasive.
What SHOULD be done is the skill bar should simply be extended to accompany more skills and abilities. This would add additional complexity and skill to the game.
Please let me know how you feel about this first suggested overhaul idea.
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This isn’t a single player rpg like Skyrim. There’s a reason the systems in place are like the other game you mentioned... because they’re both MMORPG’s. If you want a stand-alone game, then go play Skyrim.
The weapon swapping adds depth and intricacies in all facets of the game, from pve to pvp. If we all ran around with one weapon or had to stop to change weapons mid combat, that would be horrendous.
How does adding more abilities to the ability bar add complexity? You’d just be able to click on what you want and not have to think about your next move, or have a defensive bar, and an offensive bar.
Edited by XiDiabolismiX on June 24, 2018 12:35AM1 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.
Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.
I don't say this out of disrespect toward you, but if you're going to base this reply on the number of whatever's you got on the post.... you better be glad there's no "disagree" or "downvote" option in these forums... I don't see you favoring well in that system.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »..."unrealistic"?
And just what has ever been 'realistic' about this combat system? And why would you expect it to be so? It's an action/MMO, not a medieval combat sim. If you're looking for realistic weapon & combat behavior.....
Why am I replying to a Knowledge thead.
Because Knowledge fears nothing, apparently.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.
Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.
I don't say this out of disrespect toward you, but if you're going to base this reply on the number of whatever's you got on the post.... you better be glad there's no "disagree" or "downvote" option in these forums... I don't see you favoring well in that system.
The posts speaking out against me count as downvotes. There are clearly more down votes than there are agrees. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I do have people that agree with me.
This would eradicate the idea that I am just some tone deaf person that everyone detests on the forums as some have said. It also destroys the argument in its entirety.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.
So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.
Congratulations, at least 14 people agree with you.
Unfortunately, this does nothing to convince me of the benefits of "realistic" weapon swapping over the current system of fluid weapon swapping that we have, or why we should change ESO's weapon swapping system to emulate some of the clunkiest parts of Skyrim's. I still disagree with your idea and touting your "agrees" and other reactions is not convincing me otherwise.
Maybe we can stick to the topic instead of talking about the people you think are baiting you?0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »I know some of you are calling me names and saying I am tone deaf, pretentious, etc. However, I would urge you to look at the original post and you will see I do have 12 agrees, 1 awesome, and 1 insightful.
So, while many of you try to perpetrate that I am some buffoon that no one likes, agrees with, or thinks has any intelligence that assessment is obviously wrong.
Congratulations, at least 14 people agree with you.
Unfortunately, this does nothing to convince me of the benefits of "realistic" weapon swapping over the current system of fluid weapon swapping that we have, or why we should change ESO's weapon swapping system to emulate some of the clunkiest parts of Skyrim's. I still disagree with your idea and touting your "agrees" and other reactions is not convincing me otherwise.
Maybe we can stick to the topic instead of talking about the people you think are baiting you?
You would greatly enjoy me not being able to defend myself. Perhaps you report the threads when I do.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭NyPetiwowp wrote: »l2P, Console peasant
How does me playing on console make me a peasant?0 -
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✭Compared to WoW where I had to make half a dozen macros just to free up space on my action bar ESO’s weapon swap system is a god sent. Just enough abilities to make some interesting builds but not to many to make it feel bloated.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »Compared to WoW where I had to make half a dozen macros just to free up space on my action bar ESO’s weapon swap system is a god sent. Just enough abilities to make some interesting builds but not to many to make it feel bloated.
I think WoW cut down on abilities recently.0 -
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✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Elves, Cat People, Lizard People, Deadra, and wizards seem pretty unrealistic, too, tbh.
Actually, in a few million years it is completely plausible that the felines could evolve to a higher degree of intelligence and eventually turn into bipeds. It is also possible that a lizard or alligator could evolve to a higher level of intelligence. The daedra I can't say will happen.
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