Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

On PC Skyrim, I could assign hotkeys to the Favorites menu and swap weapons or spells with the press of a single button.

Same for Morrowind. Same for Oblivion.

What's that about not being able to swap weapons in previous Elder Scrolls games?

Consoles.

So in the interests of mirroring the Elder Scrolls experience of past games, clearly the answer is for PC players to be able to weapon swap with a button press and for console players to have to slowly swap between weapons using the menus,

Wait, what?

I don't think you are making the point you think you are making...because the alternative is saying the everyone should lose weapon swap because console players couldn't weapon swap easily in Skyrim. Which again, wait, what?

I would think it would be better to embrace ZOS bringing the ease of weapon swapping to consoles, too, in a game originally designed for PC. But then I'm not in the habit of suggesting massive game changes on a regular basis, so what do I know?

Wut

logarifmik wrote: »

I tend to agree with OP 100%. I don't see any crucial advantages in using two weapons with two skill bars instead of one weapon and two skill bars. I know, though, that almost all current builds will become obsolete with this change, which will lead to a lot of whining from the majority of players, but I think that it'll make gameplay healthier and more logical for the newcomers. Also, I think, that recent two-handed weapon change favors OP's idea.

You can achieve that today by slotting the same weapon type in both slots..voila..you have one weapon with 2 slot for it.

Juju_beans wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I tend to agree with OP 100%. I don't see any crucial advantages in using two weapons with two skill bars instead of one weapon and two skill bars. I know, though, that almost all current builds will become obsolete with this change, which will lead to a lot of whining from the majority of players, but I think that it'll make gameplay healthier and more logical for the newcomers. Also, I think, that recent two-handed weapon change favors OP's idea.

You can achieve that today by slotting the same weapon type in both slots..voila..you have one weapon with 2 slot for it.

logarifmik wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

I tend to agree with OP 100%. I don't see any crucial advantages in using two weapons with two skill bars instead of one weapon and two skill bars. I know, though, that almost all current builds will become obsolete with this change, which will lead to a lot of whining from the majority of players, but I think that it'll make gameplay healthier and more logical for the newcomers. Also, I think, that recent two-handed weapon change favors OP's idea.

Sounds incredibly limiting and lacking variety.
Also once you understand it, it's certainly not a problem.
Try to make two hander work in the system. Not completely destroy the system

Variety? Is it still really a thing to use two different sets on different bars? Or do you mean using, for example, sword and shield on the main bar and bow on the back bar?

Both discussed approaches have pros and cons, though it would be great to have an option to use one weapon for both bars. I play a Sorcerer mostly, and from my experience most of the time I need to use identical staves on both bars. Personally, I would like to be able to use one stave instead of "two different copies of the same one", as an option of course, not a universal rule.

UPD: Correction. Staves are not identical, they have different enchants. Two weapons approach makes sense from this point of view.

Knowledge wrote: »

The combat system in the Elder Scrolls Online is in desperate need of an overhaul. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

No? How about not speaking for me? Thanks!

It's strikingly stupid to switch bow and dw back and forth 2 feet from an enemy. If you take the time to switch and draw a bow, the boss should one shot you. But we're playing a healthy game that has the system it has. I don't think they'd change it.

How about not destroying pve stam builds.I can see it going over really well being able to only use dual weild or bow.

Knowledge wrote: »

This is an example of how clunky it was to swap weapons in Skyrim.

https://youtu.be/fTN6m_XDZKM?t=59s

Please let me know how you feel about this first suggested overhaul idea.

I would immediately uninstall the game if that was what I had to do to swap weapons or access anything.

Skyrim was a great game, but it is no coincidence that many of its most devoted fans excoriated the game's UI, the weapon/spell interface, inventory system were absolutely terrible and why SkyUI was one of the most popular mods since the game's inception. Plus the designers did put in the game's basica functionality that players could simply press a hotkey and instantly change weapons (and it was garbage as the game mixed up spells and one-handed weapons) so you're wrong. Let's not draw inspiration from one of the worst aspects please.

Hi,

please don't bring GW2 into this. I am so glad I'm free from the bloody penalty of not being able to swap weapons in combat like in GW2. It was one of the things I always hated about that game - they wanted to make it so strategic by employing so many combat penalties it is ABSURD and still they always failed miserably in the end, particularly with the balancing bit.

Combat in ESO is fine and that is coming from someone who wasted 4 years of their life in GW2. It just needs to be fine-tuned, abilities in particular. Some classes are godlike and some poor in terms of everything. Sets like Sloads are no answer to some classes being over-tuned, but people innately crave power, which is why power creep is the next widely spread marketing tactic to make people engage with micro transactions as well. If you don't know how, think a little

GW2 suffers from massive power creep. Both competitive game modes are mess because there're only 4/9 viable classes in them that are over-tuned, the Warrior (Spellbreaker), the Guardian (Firebrand), the Mesmer (Mirage) and the Necromancer (Scourge).

"JUST GIVE THEM POWERRRRRRRRRR! GIVE EVERYONE POWER. AND MORE POWER" #PowerCreep (is the real problem)

Knowledge wrote: »

In Skyrim, if you wanted to swap weapons, you had to go through a menu or bring up your favorite list. There was no hot swapping of weaponry.

This is an example of how clunky it was to swap weapons in Skyrim.

https://youtu.be/fTN6m_XDZKM?t=59s

The game pauses when you weapon swap. Your example even shows that. Go into favorites, the game pauses. Go into menus, the game pauses. Why? Because it is a solo game.

That just cannot work with an MMO unless you want to deal with your game pausing every 30 seconds because your tank is checking to see what loot dropped. And trust me, I've played Co-op games from console to pc. Nothing, NOTHING breaks wanting to play quicker than getting ready to take a shot and then having the game pause because the leader wanted to 'check something real quick'.

Knowledge wrote: »

In the first suggested step of a combat overhaul I propose that we go one of two routes. The first is to have swappable skills instead of swappable weapons. In this system you would have a single weapon and just simply swap skills. I do not like this idea but it is the least invasive.

What SHOULD be done is the skill bar should simply be extended to accompany more skills and abilities. This would add additional complexity and skill to the game.

Please let me know how you feel about this first suggested overhaul idea.

First part, uhm. I do that already. I have the same swords on both bars and alternate between the skills in a fight. So that's already in the game. Don't want to switch weapons? Just put the same weapons in the slots and switch skills.

The second part? Button bloat. I don't want my screens looking like this again.



I played Shaman on WoW. God I loved that totem bar. Didn't have to fill my action bar up. Then they took it away. Suddenly I had to fit all this new stuff onto my bars. Thank god I could macro my rotation onto one button so I could free up space.

ESO? I have no clue if macros are okay or not at all. So I have no clue if I can make a macro of having one button press be frost cloak and then the next button push be crystallized shield to free up space on the bar. I have no clue if that's even allowed as the only official response I'm able to find is over 3 years old.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2512949#Comment_2512949

So no. To help the combat system, it'd make more sense to tackle things that frustrate people. Phantom hits, ai pathing, a better pet system than we already have (oh hi bear/clannfer, bye bear/clannfer that just decided to aggro the whole room while I y+ right click like a mad man to get it to come back because it decided to run past me and then saw sparkles).
Or adjust weapons so that they have skill trees? Like sword and board having a tanking, dps, healer tree and so on and so forth? It'd be interesting to have a sorc dps with a resto staff set into the dps tree that has skills that do dots on the mobs and a few skills for barriers or something like a templar with a bow set into the healer tree that does healing arrows and gives damage boosts or whatnot.