DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

I wouldn't deconstruct anything before seeing the actual changes first.
I don't think that developers will make a set entirely useless, which is one of selling points which is supposed to attract more buyers to purchase Summerset expansion.I would recommend waiting and see how it will turn out to be.
However if someone was considering crafting Sload set, perhaps it would be a great moment to reconsider and wait till the next update arrives.
(Now assuming that the next update is really the next following and not the actual balance update coming a few months later.)

EVERYTIME zos nerfed something they made it totally useless (like stygian )

For marketing view it would be a bad move to make brand new set entirely useless.
However if they adjust the set slightly, like remove the stacking aspect of dot when applied by multiple enemies, the issue would immediately be lower. And this kind of minor adjusting is what I expect from the coming update.

Well I guess my Magblade will back to perma cloak fighting again, it wil be fun while it lasts though. That's the price of evolution.

Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria need to be adjusted as well.

I PvE a LOT and you know it, since you run trials with me.

And you know what?

If PvP balance did not ruin PvE I'd not even read PvP threads. I'd just leave the nerf <anything> threads alone.

But no. Nerfing Skoria affects my PvE. Nerfin Zaan affects my PvE. Nerfing shields affects ALL my PvE including outdoor bosses killing and similar. Nerfing crystal frags ruined some most awesome gameplay I could play solo in videos I'll never be able to record again with its current garbage status.

So I am against all nerfs, even nerfs that will greatly help my class (like sloads nerf), because they end up ruining my and many others PvE gameplay.

As for the "overperforming" meme, there is ALWAYS an overperforming set / skill / class and always will be.
Because whatever ZOS will do, once you kill the top set / skill / class there will be a second one, and a third one and so on, because there's always some small or large inequality across the board.

What this attitude has caused is to make ESO a bland boring game where classes become more and more copycats and where we play more and more non-class-specific skills because classes signatures are now made useless due to perma-nerfing attitude.

I've been closed beta tester for most MMOs (ESO included) and I am closed beta tester for a new "PvP everywhere, permadeath" incoming MMO. If ESO keeps getting devastated left and right, I may as well move my hopes on that MMO. New MMOs are the only ones untainted by "balance" and "overperforming" threads.

Games should not even have forums, they only bring the toxic and the complaining to ruin the game.

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Vahrokh wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Zaan, Caluurion, and Skoria need to be adjusted as well.

You are clearly one of those 6-7 I mentioned above.

You appear literally on every single PvP nerf thread. And you follow my prediction too: Sload has not been nerfed yet but you already pre-call nerf on something else already.

And - punctual like death - you call nerf on two sets that will make PvE miserable for many. Dammit, Skoria is in game since how many years and it's not BiS in any way? And you still manage to call nerf on it!

because all These sets are overperforming, you said you don't pvp yet you know how Things work out? that's not how this works

I PvE a LOT and you know it, since you run trials with me.

And you know what?

If PvP balance did not ruin PvE I'd not even read PvP threads. I'd just leave the nerf <anything> threads alone.

But no. Nerfing Skoria affects my PvE. Nerfin Zaan affects my PvE. Nerfing shields affects ALL my PvE including outdoor bosses killing and similar. Nerfing crystal frags ruined some most awesome gameplay I could play solo in videos I'll never be able to record again with its current garbage status.

So I am against all nerfs, even nerfs that will greatly help my class (like sloads nerf), because they end up ruining my and many others PvE gameplay.

As for the "overperforming" meme, there is ALWAYS an overperforming set / skill / class and always will be.
Because whatever ZOS will do, once you kill the top set / skill / class there will be a second one, and a third one and so on, because there's always some small or large inequality across the board.

What this attitude has caused is to make ESO a bland boring game where classes become more and more copycats and where we play more and more non-class-specific skills because classes signatures are now made useless due to perma-nerfing attitude.

I've been closed beta tester for most MMOs (ESO included) and I am closed beta tester for a new "PvP everywhere, permadeath" incoming MMO. If ESO keeps getting devastated left and right, I may as well move my hopes on that MMO. New MMOs are the only ones untainted by "balance" and "overperforming" threads.

Games should not even have forums, they only bring the toxic and the complaining to ruin the game.

i advice reading this post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394278/pve-pvp-nerfs#latest

that sums up that most nerfs come from both sides of the game

BohnT wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Let's put this out EXACTLY as it is. Congratulations to the 3 shield B**** sorcs and the 15k health NB's for getting something changed that didn't benefit you.

I play BG's a LOT and guess what? The only time Sload's kills me is if i'm out of stam.

There's a really easy counter to Sload's. Are you ready for it...... SLOT A HEAL!!! Wow, so revolutionary i know. Something you can't shield through causes pure sorc panic.

Stealth is broken by DOT's and so it should or else mNB's would never die as they'd constantly run away (can't blame them).

I also love how mag sorcs want to talk about "balance" only when it adversely affects you. You have an undodgable stun, a double execute (active and passive), high mobility and access to 3 shields that can cover double your health bar..... please all you sorcs explain why ZOS shouldn't balance you now?

Simple balance patch: Nerf Sload's to the ground and make it so that damage shields do NOT stack. Simple, and everyone can then be more balanced....

As we currently stand unless you run a strong heavy dot build or a bleed build then a stam against a sorc is highly out of balance. On stam DK i nuke sorcs out of existence, on other stam toons it's like good sorcs literally cannot be touched.

i advice reading this post here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394278/pve-pvp-nerfs#latest

that sums up that most nerfs come from both sides of the game

I'm talking specifically about ths set being nerfed when literally the biggest sources of game imbalance pass by unphased patch after patch.

No stun in this game should be undodgable unless it's a huge AoE type ultimate like DBoS, Leap, Permafrost etc. Rune Cage and Petrify should be able to be dodged.

Stop shields from stacking and there would be no need for sets like Sload's, Shieldbreaker etc.

Making it so shields don't stack has 0 difference in PvE except in vMA where some sorcs will run hardened and healing ward.

The_Red_Viper wrote: »

Shame they take the crappy suggestions because the ignorant masses cry the loudest. Ever wonder why Blizzard, and WoW specifically, has held the most active players since release? Because they don't implement every change the community wants, even if they flood the forums. If everyone got what they wanted the game would end up being a circus.

They should have looked at balancing classes better instead of nerfing a set that will barely change anything. Bad players aren't going to suddenly become good just because a set is nerfed.

THIS!

Astrid_V wrote: »

Gina said next update, not patch maintenance.
And next update will be in 3 months.
So I will enjoy my sload until then.

LETS MAKE HELL!!!! ABUSE THE HELL OUT OF IT! im with you! :-)

They aren't going to make it totally useless ya know. It's weird, we cry to nerf something then once they do, we say "dont bother to make it, its junk now'. weird.