sloads is destroying pvp

DirkRavenclaw · June 2018

Sloads isnt broken and dont need a nerf people just need to learn to counteract it. I get taken a lot out of steahlt. Do i call for a nerf? No, i learn to counteract it. Sloads and Zaan in PVP is awesome, Shacklebreaker to it on my Imperial Mag Templar Tank

Edziu · June 2018

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

Sloads isnt broken and dont need a nerf people just need to learn to counteract it. I get taken a lot out of steahlt. Do i call for a nerf? No, i learn to counteract it. Sloads and Zaan in PVP is awesome, Shacklebreaker to it on my Imperial Mag Templar Tank

looking at your signature and what you posted here..you have no skill and any exp in pvp outisde hard zerging and zerging single players running away from your zerg

Gilvoth · June 2018

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

Sloads isnt broken and dont need a nerf people just need to learn to counteract it. I get taken a lot out of steahlt. Do i call for a nerf? No, i learn to counteract it. Sloads and Zaan in PVP is awesome, Shacklebreaker to it on my Imperial Mag Templar Tank

well said friend, hopefully one day we will not be taken out of stealth so easily.
but for now just like u said we do all we can to adjust to each patches new changes and do our best to stay as a contendor.

Adenoma · June 2018

@Maikon , I’ll happily 1v1 you. I’ve never actually 1v1’d you because you’ve been with others. That hasn’t really changed the outcomes either way. I’m not intimidated and I don’t think I’ll ever get a duel offer, but by all means posture and lack objectivity on a topic.

Datthaw · June 2018

@Adenoma ty for sticking up for me here. I hate how you try to voice your opinion here and just get belittled.

Scorpiodisc · June 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

@Adenoma ty for sticking up for me here. I hate how you try to voice your opinion here and just get belittled.

Yeah, it really was not right of everyone to belittle you when you said they were "idiots". That was really unfair of them.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Now granted, I am a Templar, but for me dealing with Sloads (especially 1v1) is really easy...

I just stack HoT's; I use Rapid Regen + Ritual of Retribution and Sloads is easily dealt with at that point...

Even if Ritual doesn't Cleanse it, the combined HoT's very easily out pace Sloads damage..

Now I can see people having trouble with it out numbered, but:

1) you are being focused upon, so you gonna take some punishment...

I know some of you have been spoiled by the over performing combos of Shield Stacking/Streaking and Cloak/Major Expedition, but the game has caught up to those playstyle, so you gotta adapt to keep pace...

2) use Troll King; this set alone will do wonders for neutralizing a Sloads proc (especially if you use HoT's along with it)...

3) Orgnums Scales (as well as Bee Keepers) is excellent for countering Sloads steady damage as well...

The point is that there are options for dealing with Sloads and some of the other newer sets in the game...

Now these options will require you to give up some of that "kill, kill, kill" power that you are accustomed to, but you gotta adapt..

The game has evolved; unless you evolve with it, you shall be left behind...

By far the best response. “Granted I’m a Templar...” Oh really the Magplar, sloads is easy for you to deal with? That’s nice. Oh yeah why didn’t I think of using Beekeepes set, great idea. All the theory crafters and steamers, some of the best PvPers in this game and all the people on this forum and you think we’re all saying that Sloads is OP because we didn’t think of Beekeepes. Holy ***. Priceless answer.

I'm sure some have gone through all the possibilities...

But I'm betting most of them don't want to make the changes to their characters that they'd have to to deal with sets like Sloads...

After all, damage/sustain is so much s3xier than something like Bee Keepers and Orgnums Scales...

It's simply easier for some people to scream for the game to change around them opposed to adapting to the current state of the game...

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

I mean, I'd love to wear 2 or 3 damage sets and melt everything in my path, but I took a hard look at what the Devs were doing to the game and saw very clearly that stock piling offense wasn't the way to go this patch...

Now I wear 3 Defensive Sets and it works very, very, well...

Some are simply not willing to part with their precious offense, and now they are paying the price...

TequilaFire · June 2018

Edziu wrote: »

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

Sloads isnt broken and dont need a nerf people just need to learn to counteract it. I get taken a lot out of steahlt. Do i call for a nerf? No, i learn to counteract it. Sloads and Zaan in PVP is awesome, Shacklebreaker to it on my Imperial Mag Templar Tank

looking at your signature and what you posted here..you have no skill and any exp in pvp outisde hard zerging and zerging single players running away from your zerg

Why do you run away aren't you superman and are supposed to be able to kill the zerg you attacked?
Surely your bunny hopping will save you?

Thogard · June 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Scorpiodisc wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Scorpiodisc wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Scorpiodisc wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Find whoever came up with Oblivion damage in any form, stroll over to where they sit in the office and just start knocking crap off their desk, because they're a moron and they deserve it.

It is not like oblivion damage is new to the game...

Old stupid is still stupid.

Except for the simple fact that it is fine. It is just one of those "learn to play" moments for a lot of people. They are forced to actually think about how they engage people now and they can not just use the old familiar crutches to get easy wins.

The irony of people arguing that sloads prevents people from crutching is so thick I could stand on it.

Not ironic when it is correct.

Wrong. It’s still ironic because Sloads is itself a crutch set. Whether it actually does prevent others from crutching is irrelevant to the irony. Although if you’re not smart enough to grasp irony you probably shouldn’t be chiming in on anything else either. Let me explain this to you, when you use this set to let’s say, deal with shield stackers, or whatever else you deem a crutch, you are crutching on sloads to do so because you lack the skill to deal with the shields with skill. And this seems to be the mental block of all the sload defenders. In their minds sloads is just evening the playing field because to them (or you) other people are always beating you with exploits or crutches or cheats or OP sets. You can’t accept that it’s your own skill that’s lacking, so you go on and on about how sloads isn’t OP because hey it feels good to win right? And therein is the irony. You’re calling people out for crutching while supporting and using a crutch set against the people you say are crutching. Got it?

Actually you were misusing the word irony/ironic. You’re totally right about sloads, but technically the word you were looking for was “hypocritical”

pdebie64b16_ESO · June 2018

Nothing wrong with Sloads, for my pvp chars its abit easier to kill other players but still DK's and Mag Sorcs gives me alot of trouble even if they dont use Sloads, Countering Sloads, sometimes i get away sometimes not.

For me it looks like players who using the old meta and were invulnerable before Sloads are complaning now because they arent in God mode anymore.

Its just a nice set to counter that.

Arthg · June 2018

Players aren't fools.
Scrubs and pros alike use this set.

At this point it might as well be a part of Battle Spirit: " lose 900k/s oblivion damage as soon as you enter combat in Cyrodiil".

It's unbalanced compared to most other sets, and it turns fights into idiotic farces.

Before I get jumped: I don't play the set, my build counters it, and I roam Cyro for good fights only.
If (when, rather) I die, I want it to be because I've been outplayed.

Not because I've been outsetted by some BS set designed by the corporate division to' grab money on the latest DLC.

Arthg · June 2018

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Sloads, for my pvp chars its abit easier to kill other players but still DK's and Mag Sorcs gives me alot of trouble even if they dont use Sloads, Countering Sloads, sometimes i get away sometimes not.

For me it looks like players who using the old meta and were invulnerable before Sloads are complaning now because they arent in God mode anymore.

Its just a nice set to counter that.

Now where do you think these players got this "God mode" from?

I'll give you a clue: hundreds of hours fine-tuning their build, working on their situational awareness and improving their mechanical skills.

Now here come you and the likes of you who feel you should be entitled to skip any sort of L2P period and kill any ol' player standing between you and your PvE quest.

Fine. Your agenda is in keeping with the money-grabbing punks who designed this set.

But anybody who really likes PvP in this game has nothing but utter contempt for sets like Sload.

Koensol · June 2018

*** me I have never seen so many crutching players in one thread. The kind of players that will take and accept anything from developers. No wonder the industry is turning to absolute garbage with all these apologist around.

TequilaFire · June 2018

Arthg wrote: »

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Sloads, for my pvp chars its abit easier to kill other players but still DK's and Mag Sorcs gives me alot of trouble even if they dont use Sloads, Countering Sloads, sometimes i get away sometimes not.

For me it looks like players who using the old meta and were invulnerable before Sloads are complaning now because they arent in God mode anymore.

Its just a nice set to counter that.

Now where do you think these players got this "God mode" from?

I'll give you a clue: hundreds of hours fine-tuning their build, working on their situational awareness and improving their mechanical skills.

Now here come you and the likes of you who feel you should be entitled to skip any sort of L2P period and kill any ol' player standing between you and your PvE quest.

Fine. Your agenda is in keeping with the money-grabbing punks who designed this set.

But anybody who really likes PvP in this game has nothing but utter contempt for sets like Sload.

By wearing cheese mitigation sets which Sload's was introduced as a counter for.
Only the bad solo players cry about Sload's on the forum, the good ones have adjusted and are kicking butt as always.

raasdal · June 2018

Meh. I have now played through my new build for this patch on my Stamsorc, Magplar and now MagDK. Only one ot them is now using Sloads, and i have not had a problem dealing with other people wearing sloads on any of them.

All my experience this patch still tells me that people are overreacting to it. Most likely because they see it on their death recap alot, and can't really extrapolate / review what actually happened in the fight or what actually killed them. Yeah sure, it is on my death recap alot. But i am also knowledgeable enough to know how death recap works, and that it cannot be used to determine how i really got killed. So i review my deaths by video, with all my addons telling me what is happening in realtime. And i have not once died to Sloads, for real.

So. Meh.

Unless you are a NB relying on cloak. In that case you are truly f''''''... When i get to my MagNB for this patch, i can assure you it will be a no-cloak build. Because in that regard, Sloads is super-broken.

Gilvoth · June 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Sloads, for my pvp chars its abit easier to kill other players but still DK's and Mag Sorcs gives me alot of trouble even if they dont use Sloads, Countering Sloads, sometimes i get away sometimes not.

For me it looks like players who using the old meta and were invulnerable before Sloads are complaning now because they arent in God mode anymore.

Its just a nice set to counter that.

Now where do you think these players got this "God mode" from?

I'll give you a clue: hundreds of hours fine-tuning their build, working on their situational awareness and improving their mechanical skills.

Now here come you and the likes of you who feel you should be entitled to skip any sort of L2P period and kill any ol' player standing between you and your PvE quest.

Fine. Your agenda is in keeping with the money-grabbing punks who designed this set.

But anybody who really likes PvP in this game has nothing but utter contempt for sets like Sload.

By wearing cheese mitigation sets which Sload's was introduced as a counter for.
Only the bad solo players cry about Sload's on the forum, the good ones have adjusted and are kicking butt as always.

well said, although i do not wear sloads, i agree that it is overpowered builds that are the problem, not the armor sets.

Waffennacht · June 2018

Seriously though, if I gold out jewelry on any set, and that set gets nerfed, I'm totally flipping out

Arkangeloski · June 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Agree.

Arkangeloski · June 2018

Fat_Cat45 wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It does 834 per tick, 6 times. So a little over 5k in cyrodiil and battlegrounds.

It is oblivion damage, aka not mitigated by anything, goes through shields, and goes through blocking. But it can be buffed by minor and major berserk.

There are 3 problems with it.

1) It has a duration of 6 seconds and a cooldown of 6 seconds. It basically can be up 99% of the time.

2) It can stack from multiple users. Imagine you just get a light attack from 3 players and then you break line of sight and hide. You're about to take 15k damage over 6 seconds that can not be mitigated, blocked, or shielded through.

3) It performs very well when paired with major defile. This is why a lot of tanky characters with reverberating bash and nightblades with incap strike are using this set.

The real issue, in my opinion, is that this set pushes the archetype for letting sets proc, using 1 DoT, and then playing defensively while they can't outheal it.

If you combine a setup, such as sloads, sheer venom, and then poison injection, your sloads and sheer venom will proc while poison injection is on the target. Using 1 ability has granted that user about 15k damage over 6 seconds for doing almost nothing. And then it is followed up by real skills like ults, surprise attack, funnel health, venemous claw, jabs, and so on. The proc sets grant too much raw power after using 1 skill before combined with a standard rotation.

Add a double dot poison to the bow n we good lol.

Dyride · June 2018

I don't have time to read 8 pgs but Sloads is 7 ticks not 6.

templesus · June 2018

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...

Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...

But I don't expect small minds to realize it...

Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).

Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1

I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:

Physical Resist...

Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...

2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?

LoL...

Max Magicka...

I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...

Max Health...

Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...

Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...

So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...

As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...

I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.

Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...

In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...

So from the sets u use u are a tank in a 20 man zerg with little to 0 knowledge about competetive pvp in this game.

U are using only tank sets and with this u will even have a hard time killing guards without your zerg. But u can prove me wrong ofc. I have no problem to duel u. I am on PC Eu but we can also meet on pts if u are from NA. Just throw me an @ in forum or ingame with @gnozo. This goes for every forum warrior here. I will take my time so u can show me how professional u are in this game.

People are suggesting to run purge in battlegrounds. It costs 7k magicka. And thats all the magicka i have in nocp on a stamina build. So after using purge wich also dont grant to remove sloads cause only 2 negative effects my magicka is completly empty. So i cant use any utility skills anymore. No streak, surge, dark deal or vol armor, igneos shield or cloak, fear, shadow image

Thanks for the awesome tips my professional forum warriors.

Prove me wrong. Lets meet on pts. We gonna duel and u Show me ur awesome build wich can survive sloads, bleeding and major defile while still being able to sustain in long fights and still have decent damage to kill the average player.

I am really looking forward to these duels. Pls

For any PS4 NA forum warrior here who defends sloads I will take you on with open arms. I run a med armor 2h/bow stamplar so no bleeds, defile etc are gonna be coming your way.

My psn is in my signature.

Literally message me at ANY time and I'll show you the difference in our skill levels. And then we can have a discussion in party chat in which I explain to you exactly why that set is ruining PvP for us solo/small scalers.

templesus · June 2018

50k health tanks are able to kill people with sloads+skoria...how can anyone honestly tell me that's balance? Again I'll say it, I WISH there was some possible way of tracking skill level, and then instituting a skill based forums in which you have to meet a certain threshold to comment...would make actual objective feedback on the game much better. And no, running around with a 20 man group without a single heal on your bar dropping snipes and soul assaults on people will not get you in.

Xsorus · June 2018

Koensol wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.

Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.

You don't have to explain anything to me about the 'why'. I was just pointing out the facts and why the guy was wrong.

And no, on a build with decent damage reduction and resistances overwhelming surge deals a lot less damage to your opponent than sloads. It also doesn't stick so if the target gets out of range the damage dissapears. Overwhelming is a strong set, but not overperforming because it can actually he countered/mitigated.

I run surge, I know what it hits for in pvp and against the majority of people it does more damage then sloads does. It’s also got a 12 meter range... unless you’re just hauling ass out of there you’re not avoiding it. As for the guy who said it only proves off class skills that is true... but since every single class uses class skills and it doesn’t have to be even damaging ones... you can buff or heal yourself and it’ll proc.

olesmo · June 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...

Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...

But I don't expect small minds to realize it...

Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).

Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1

I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:

Physical Resist...

Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...

2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?

LoL...

Max Magicka...

I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...

Max Health...

Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...

Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...

So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...

As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...

I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.

Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...

In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...

So from the sets u use u are a tank in a 20 man zerg with little to 0 knowledge about competetive pvp in this game.

U are using only tank sets and with this u will even have a hard time killing guards without your zerg. But u can prove me wrong ofc. I have no problem to duel u. I am on PC Eu but we can also meet on pts if u are from NA. Just throw me an @ in forum or ingame with @gnozo. This goes for every forum warrior here. I will take my time so u can show me how professional u are in this game.

People are suggesting to run purge in battlegrounds. It costs 7k magicka. And thats all the magicka i have in nocp on a stamina build. So after using purge wich also dont grant to remove sloads cause only 2 negative effects my magicka is completly empty. So i cant use any utility skills anymore. No streak, surge, dark deal or vol armor, igneos shield or cloak, fear, shadow image

Thanks for the awesome tips my professional forum warriors.

Prove me wrong. Lets meet on pts. We gonna duel and u Show me ur awesome build wich can survive sloads, bleeding and major defile while still being able to sustain in long fights and still have decent damage to kill the average player.

I am really looking forward to these duels. Pls

The amount of ignorance in this post is nauseating...

Just stop with your wrong assumptions...

Btw, I like that you took the time to quote my post, but was unable to refute a single thing in it...

As pertains your Magicka Pool, I guess giving up some of that Stam/Weapon Crit/Weapon Damage for a larger Magicka pool is unthinkable for you...eh?

LoL...

Adapt or die and stop crying...

Cheers!

;,,,;

What you dont understand is that with the dmg overal going up this patch, sloads is just way over the top.
You can make a build that can tank sloads, for a little while. But you offensive preasure is non existent.
And there is no way to adapt and come out on top, no matter how skilled of a player you are.

You need a group to be able to do anything in pvp, and as a group my precious Gentlemen Basterds have no problem killing and surviving when outnumbered. That is as long as we run a group with the right builds

Koensol · June 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.

Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.

You don't have to explain anything to me about the 'why'. I was just pointing out the facts and why the guy was wrong.

And no, on a build with decent damage reduction and resistances overwhelming surge deals a lot less damage to your opponent than sloads. It also doesn't stick so if the target gets out of range the damage dissapears. Overwhelming is a strong set, but not overperforming because it can actually he countered/mitigated.

I run surge, I know what it hits for in pvp and against the majority of people it does more damage then sloads does. It’s also got a 12 meter range... unless you’re just hauling ass out of there you’re not avoiding it. As for the guy who said it only proves off class skills that is true... but since every single class uses class skills and it doesn’t have to be even damaging ones... you can buff or heal yourself and it’ll proc.

Sloads is a ton more easy to proc. You can't deny that. And I don't even need to go away 12 meters. I can move behind someone else to avoid damage because I am not the closest player anymore. And what I was getting at: when I wear a set like wizard's riposte and pirate skeleton, these sets reward me by reducing the damage from overwhelming surge. Also my resistances will help me. Or I can cast a shield to negate its damage. In other words: counterplay. All of this makes surge a strong, yet balanced set. An example for ZOS how they did it right.

Sload's just gives a big fat middle finger to all the above and will continue to deal its full damage. When gets stacked on you like in BG it is 100% gg because you simply cannot outheal that. Even when you can pop a heal ult they will just reapply it after it is done.

Please... go play some BG and you will see the folly in your claims.

rteezy · June 2018

A VERY simple answer to all of this SLOADS dilema:

ANY competitive online game, despite mistakes, ends up REMOVING EVERYTHING that is NOT player controlable that has a big inpact on the match, SPECIALLY PROCS. ANY pvp enviroment , to be competitive and aim at a nice range of skill floor/ceiling , needs to provide players the possibility for , through THEIR OWN actions, outplay others. OUTPLAYING others should ALWAYS make you win, period.

MMOS already suffer ALOT with factors that have very little to do with player skill (stats and damage range, crit vs non crit, class counters and natural mmo unbalance), if you add yet another HUGE inpactfull thing to the outcome of the match through a proc that players have no control over, then pvp is BUSTED

PVP will ALWAYS be busted if you win by mere luck, and thats what a PROC can provide.Does it happens all the time?no, do good players find a way around it?sometimes, but that might greatly influence the result of the match.

TLDR: Procs or anythign that is NOT player controlable directly counters competitiveness and true nature of PVP, ANYONE saying otherwise is either:

1-not competitive, and therefore not a pvp'r
2-not very good, therefore blindly compensating
3-frustrated therefore hiding behind flawed logic
4-all of the above

If your arguement is anything like "i do it for fun" then im sure you wont mind it seeing it removed from pvp, since it CANT be directly connected WITH fun, or else Why wouldnt you buy a BOT program and watch your chracter do EVERYTHING on its own, for fun?

If your argument is "i pvp for fun", well, either you suffer form the millenial special snowflake syndorme where everyone needs to get a medal for being an underachiever....or you are dilusional, since the very core of "pvp fun" is to go AGAINST other PLAYERS in a COMPETITIVE SETTING (since they are, you know, YOUR ENEMY/ADVERSERY), and WIN. NOTE that is very diferent then saying winning is everything , its not, BUT player TO win is indeed the very core of ANY comeition a human being is on.

Edziu · June 2018

so true @rteezy

your post jsut remembered me how in wow it work, in wow we can have some items which can proc additional damage but when we going to like their bg etc everything like procs are just off

even bonuses to class skills from legendary items are also off in this pvp and here we can see trully skilled player who not depend on their armor luck to proc

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

So this is what I did; I put ALL my points into health, stacked up on impen armour only (sloads+duroks+skoria). Now I have an unhealthy amount of health on my DK. I use one. 1, ONE skill, toxic claw. The rest of the time I block (permablock ofc) and thats about it. The sloads duroks and skoria does the rest. When dots are gone I reapply with toxic claw. Rest of my skills are purely defensive. It takes 3 toxic claw hits with procs to kill anyone apart from those doing exactly the build I do.

Qbiken · June 2018

rteezy wrote: »

A VERY simple answer to all of this SLOADS dilema:

ANY competitive online game, despite mistakes, ends up REMOVING EVERYTHING that is NOT player controlable that has a big inpact on the match, SPECIALLY PROCS. ANY pvp enviroment , to be competitive and aim at a nice range of skill floor/ceiling , needs to provide players the possibility for , through THEIR OWN actions, outplay others. OUTPLAYING others should ALWAYS make you win, period.

MMOS already suffer ALOT with factors that have very little to do with player skill (stats and damage range, crit vs non crit, class counters and natural mmo unbalance), if you add yet another HUGE inpactfull thing to the outcome of the match through a proc that players have no control over, then pvp is BUSTED

PVP will ALWAYS be busted if you win by mere luck, and thats what a PROC can provide.Does it happens all the time?no, do good players find a way around it?sometimes, but that might greatly influence the result of the match.

TLDR: Procs or anythign that is NOT player controlable directly counters competitiveness and true nature of PVP, ANYONE saying otherwise is either:

1-not competitive, and therefore not a pvp'r
2-not very good, therefore blindly compensating
3-frustrated therefore hiding behind flawed logic
4-all of the above

If your arguement is anything like "i do it for fun" then im sure you wont mind it seeing it removed from pvp, since it CANT be directly connected WITH fun, or else Why wouldnt you buy a BOT program and watch your chracter do EVERYTHING on its own, for fun?

If your argument is "i pvp for fun", well, either you suffer form the millenial special snowflake syndorme where everyone needs to get a medal for being an underachiever....or you are dilusional, since the very core of "pvp fun" is to go AGAINST other PLAYERS in a COMPETITIVE SETTING (since they are, you know, YOUR ENEMY/ADVERSERY), and WIN. NOTE that is very diferent then saying winning is everything , its not, BUT player TO win is indeed the very core of ANY comeition a human being is on.

Most cringe-worthy post I´ve seen so far.....

It´s quite obvious that you have zero ability to see things from another players perspective. At the moment there´re over 140+ sets in this game that can be considered proc-sets. Removing or disabling that many sets all of a sudden would cause the majority of the player base to leave the game, I can almost guarantee that.

TLDR: Procs or anythign that is NOT player controlable directly counters competitiveness and true nature of PVP, ANYONE saying otherwise is either:

1-not competitive, and therefore not a pvp'r
2-not very good, therefore blindly compensating
3-frustrated therefore hiding behind flawed logic
4-all of the above

1. Competitive players use whatever gear/sets they need to stay competitive.
2. A bad player fails to pick the right gear/skills for the "job", a good player is successful with that
3. Only one who is frustrated here is you m8

If your arguement is anything like "i do it for fun" then im sure you wont mind it seeing it removed from pvp, since it CANT be directly connected WITH fun, or else Why wouldnt you buy a BOT program and watch your chracter do EVERYTHING on its own, for fun?

If your argument is "i pvp for fun", well, either you suffer form the millenial special snowflake syndorme where everyone needs to get a medal for being an underachiever....or you are dilusional, since the very core of "pvp fun" is to go AGAINST other PLAYERS in a COMPETITIVE SETTING (since they are, you know, YOUR ENEMY/ADVERSERY), and WIN. NOTE that is very diferent then saying winning is everything , its not, BUT player TO win is indeed the very core of ANY comeition a human being is on.

I play the game for fun, why else would I play it? Sure there´re probably other reasons but I don´t think I´m delusional by guessing most people play because it´s fun. I consider proc-sets fun and has nothing to do with "snow-flake" mentality. I just simply enjoy them. Nothing more, nothing less.

Get of your horse and stop taking a game this so bloody serious. If you simply would´ve said that you consider proc-set "not fun" it would´ve been a more legit argument compared to all the **** you just wrote.