sloads is destroying pvp

Koensol · June 2018

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Xsorus · June 2018

Koensol wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.

Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.

TBois · June 2018

If efficient purge got rid if more than 2 effects it would be a counter to sloads, but there are so many other negative effects that get put on you that u have to purge at least twice to make sure it got the sloads

D0PAMINE · June 2018

Some dude literally told me to "Kill myself " in BG's because I have a single 5 piece sload with no bleeds or defile sets. Stam DK with Bloodspawn and WW Hide. Lol what a joke. If you're stacked up on thats one thing, but anyone seeing this one set in their death recap wihout stacking is overreacting. Get over it.

Bbsample197 · June 2018

ahhh yes let the salt flow, im just going to be here crafting my sload gears and enjoying my time, its just the meta right now you want to be butthurt about it then construct a solution, whining doesnt really help

PS: give it a year or so and youll get the nerf that you want

quadraxis666 · June 2018

Kinda takes me back to the days of tremorscale/viper instant death taunt proc crap lol.
Any who dared call out its brokenness on the forum was lambasted and offered tissues or cheese for their whine etc.
The defenders are the offenders, all of them are using the set and come on the forum insisting it isn't broken because they fear the nerfing to come will send them back to noobville.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

templesus · June 2018

I really wish there was somehow a skill based forums. You have to meet a certain skill level in PvP/PvE to access it, and it would be completely noob and trash can free. I know it isn't in the slightest bit possible, but seeing below average players comment the way they do makes me feel as if I am getting worse just from reading. I guess ill just start keeping tabs on who says what so I can know who to ignore in the future.

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Ocelot9x · June 2018

I love sloads.
Now I can see the difference between a good player and a bad one. It's the Xv1 set,so building for it means that you cant kill people normally so you have to rely on a procset.
It's,IMHO,even for a less skilled crowd than the old viper/tremorscale: it was a great 1vX tool,letting you burst 1 player every 4 sec while using LoS.
Meanwhile sloads is absolutely crap for 1vX cause random pressure is never a good thing.
Funny story about the reason why zenimax created that crap:
I was pushing for a friend who was trying to make emp,so I went alone sieging a keep from behind.
A nighblade appears and tried to gank me;he got melted. After 2 minutes I got ganked again but this time I see the sloads debuff icon;he got melted again.
Keep's wall was at 60% when he came again,this time wearing sloads and viper+trollking and he obviously got melted again.
The keep went UA and after few mins he came back with 2 others people (one of them not even being 750 cp). In a normal scenario I could 1vX them,not because I'm a top player (spoiler,im not) but simply because I invested so much more time than them doing PvP.
Sloads,viper and defile and I couldn't do anything;after my inevitable death I got - obviously- a long tbag.
To give bad players a chance,that's why they created it.

Knootewoot · June 2018

Thanks to sloads i now wear finally a set i never tried on my magblade.

Wyrd Tree's Blessing Set

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage.

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(5 items) Casting a spell has a 100% chance to remove 5 negative effect, this can occur every 15 seconds.

Haven't tried it out yet to see if it works against sloads though.

glavius · June 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

Arobain wrote: »

explain to me why we should have to slot a skill SPECIFICALLY to counter one OP set? i'll be waiting

Simple...

The game evolves over time; its an MMO afterall...

You either adapt to changes in the game or get left behind...

zyk · June 2018

Listen to Razum-dar. He knows what he's talking about.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...

Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...

But I don't expect small minds to realize it...

Gilvoth · June 2018

zyk wrote: »

Listen to Razum-dar. He knows what he's talking about.

when i see that image, all i think of is him holding me up at knife point on the highway telling me give my money, or my life.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

purge, then a tissue

brain, then a comment.

PURGE IS NOT A WAY TO COUNTER SLOADS.

Yes it is...

If you chose not to slot purge then you have no one to blame other than yourself when Sloads eats your character down to the bone...

;,,,;

You just defend a broken set because without it you wouldn't even scratch anyone in PVP.

Are you aware that I don't wear Sloads and have no interest in doing so?

Don't be so quick to assume things...

Qbiken · June 2018

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

7th legion was also considered a terrible set until someone started posting youtube videos with the set in their build....'
And there´re a lot more sets that are consider "terrible" that is absolutely amazing in this game.

And personally I´ve just accepted that Sload´s will be a part of my death-recap for now. It´s quite annoying but I´m not going to lose my mind over it.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

7th legion was also considered a terrible set until someone started posting youtube videos with the set in their build....'
And there´re a lot more sets that are consider "terrible" that is absolutely amazing in this game.

Yep...

100% agreed...

Aldruin · June 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

explain to me why we should have to slot a skill SPECIFICALLY to counter one OP set? i'll be waiting

Simple...

The game evolves over time; its an MMO afterall...

You either adapt to changes in the game or get left behind...

It should be like that if the devs knew wtf they are doing. The simple uproar of the pvp community and the majority of the players who dont find battleground enjoyable anymore shows that it's simply unhealthy for the game to leave that set the way it is. You can defend cheesy sets and unbalanced changes by saying the game evolves, but if the game gets ruined there will be noone you can argue with.
The devs are simply set on lowering the skill cap in pvp and making it less dynamic and the introduction of sloads shows that very clearly.

glavius · June 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...

Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...

But I don't expect small minds to realize it...

Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).

Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1

rustic_potato · June 2018

Dude learn to adapt and stop whining.

Vapirko · June 2018

Lots of things are ruining PvP. The decaying corpse of small scale and solo open world play, stronger and stronger abilities that rival ultimates, increasing passive damage from CP and sets like sloads and Zaan, the still way overuse of snares and the ability and easily to gain defile and the insanely powerful way it befoul scales. ZOS is intent on making PvP accessible to the masses, they want the large groups their servers can’t handle because they couldn’t care less. They want these OP sets and abilities to sell content. It’s evident in the number of people that come to defend sets like these and he people who say just slot purge, build for health regen etc. These are answers that people give when they frequent zergs and don’t understand the concept of having to use all your damage and healing skills and to build for sustained fights and LOS rather than just building to face roll other groups to see who can cast Time Stop more often. They don’t get the fact that if you give up even one slot to deal with a single set, that it can cripple you in all other situations and that’s not acceptable. But these are the new generation of PvPers and the ones who never cared in the first place. Imo that’s whose taking over Cyrodiil, they’re not intetested in solo play or small scale and they’re not interested in the learning curve required to actually be effective, instead they’d rather just use the OP sets because to them balance means one person can’t possibly have the skill to take on multiple opponents and everyone should fight in giant groups and let the sets and abilities carry them. I bought Summerset and have Psijic skill so I should win, or I have Sloads so I should win. If ESO is going P2W in any way, it’s not that it’s cutting off necessary skills with a pay wall, it’s the entitlement that it brings and the way its killing off the PvP population that looks to skill over sets and abilities by allowing any new comer access to abilities and damage that require no practice to use.

Koensol · June 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.

Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.

You don't have to explain anything to me about the 'why'. I was just pointing out the facts and why the guy was wrong.

And no, on a build with decent damage reduction and resistances overwhelming surge deals a lot less damage to your opponent than sloads. It also doesn't stick so if the target gets out of range the damage dissapears. Overwhelming is a strong set, but not overperforming because it can actually he countered/mitigated.

zyk · June 2018

I don't see how anyone can defend Sload. Among solo and smallscale players, I don't think I've seen so much disdain for a 5 piece set.

In addition to further the stated goals ZOS has to raise the floor (make ESO easier) and lower the ceiling (limit what skilled players can do), I think ZOS also felt it necessary to introduce an OP crafted set alongside Jewelry Crafting.

It's a shame because ESO PVP has the potential to be one of the best PVP experiences in gaming. However, it's getting more mediocre every update. Soon there will only be a floor.

The American Meritocracy has become the American Mediocracy.

Vapirko · June 2018

Koensol wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?

It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.

Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.

Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.

You don't have to explain anything to me about the 'why'. I was just pointing out the facts and why the guy was wrong.

And no, on a build with decent damage reduction and resistances overwhelming surge deals a lot less damage to your opponent than sloads. It also doesn't stick so if the target gets out of range the damage dissapears. Overwhelming is a strong set, but not overperforming because it can actually he countered/mitigated.

It also has a condition to proc in that it has to be a class skill, which mean it’s limited to moslty magicka builds and won’t proc of things like siege. Sloads procs on any type of damage at all and works on any and all builds. It procs of bow light attacks or siege damage. It’s far too accessible and is unprecedented in this game. It is a set meant to trump other sets and sell content. ZOS is aware of its overuse and in the past this has led to nerfs, but they’ve statedthey won’t ans it’s because Summerset is new. Mark my words, once summerset has faded a little Sloads will be adjusted and the next set will come out.

D0PAMINE · June 2018

Just throwing this out there. Pc NA if anyone wants to test sloads anything then hit me up and I will join you in an unbiased test. Hmu in game @D0PAMINE and im 100% serious. Any build. Any combo, any time.

ecru · June 2018

sloads is good because hp and ttk are too low. gear and power creep due to new skill lines and passively applied damage makes this issue even more obvious but getting instagibbed seems to be the way zos wants pvp to work.

if hp and ttk were at a reasonable level, it would just be another dot.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.

Nope...

No Sloads here...

Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...

I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...

Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.

You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...

Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...

But I don't expect small minds to realize it...

Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).

Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1

I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:

Physical Resist...

Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...

2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?

LoL...

Max Magicka...

I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...

Max Health...

Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...

Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...

So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...

As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...

I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.

Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...

In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...

Betsararie · June 2018

ahem. I run sloads.

Like I said, it is mitigatable. But it is too much pay off for too little skill requirement.

TheDoomsdayMonster · June 2018

Anyway, to get back to Sloads, one of the biggest problems I have seen that revolve around the set is not the set itself...

Its the sets that other people are running...

I made a thread in the PvP Section about the number of Defensive Sets people are using https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/418912/to-those-who-wear-light-armor-how-many-defensive-sets-are-you-currently-wearing#latest and from this (albeit small) sample size, it sure looks like a lot of people (79%!!! at last glance) are running glass canon builds that rely solely on a single defensive mechanism (like Cloak or Shield Spam) to survive...

These builds don't have a high health pool and once that single layer of defense (wether it be Cloak or Shields) are penetrated, they have nothing left to save them from death other than running away...

In other words, these people are dying to Sloads because of build decisions...

These people don't want to adapt their builds at all; they want to run what they've always run and rely on whatever sole defensive mechanism they've been using to allow them to win fights, and/or 1vX whenever they want...