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sloads is destroying pvp
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Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »
Yes it is...
If you chose not to slot purge then you have no one to blame other than yourself when Sloads eats your character down to the bone...
;,,,;
Hello. Remember me?
It's true that purge can remove the sload dot. That isn't a point of contention.
Purge isn't a viable counter to sload because of other reasons
1) investment needed to run sload vs investment needed to run - and use - purge. It's far, far easier to not only equip sload (crafted), but also to get amazing uptime on the dot. It procs off everything. It's also a pretty decent set with iirc okay 2-4 bonuses, so you're not getting too much opportunity cost to use it. And it applies almost every 6 sec.
On the other hand, we have purge. First, peoples' skill bars are pretty filled to the brim already. Giving up a skill makes a much more noticeable different in most cases than switching up an armor set (you're not gonna go 'omg that guy is running Julianos instead of kags, EXECUTE DIFFERENT PLAN). Okay, so now that they've lost an important skill...
2) Dependability and cost. Sload is extremely consistent and dependable. It will proc. It will do so constantly and with little variance in proc time. It will also do so often due to the 6 sec CD. Purge on the other hand...doesnt purge everything. Heck it might just plain miss sload and purge something you didn't care about. And to even purge in the first place, you need a whopping 4-6k (depending on morph I believe) magicka. For a chance to maybe cleanse the sload dot. And guess what? Not only does your opponent not have to do anything extra to apply sload (they can just mash you as normal and it'll proc) so you're behind matching their gcd for his, but sload will apply again shortly after you purge. That's a massive chunk of magicka for the POSSIBILITY of 2-5 sec of breathing room. And, obviously, the immense cost of purge means you're absolutely murdering your sustain compared to your opponent.
So, can purge (not even a guaranteed thing) remove the sload dot? Yes. But you probably have a better chance of winning if you -dont- slot purge because of its extremely high opportunity and usage cost.
Not everyone is templar.Edited by Tonturri on June 15, 2018 3:15PM3 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just a tip to AD/EP, please do not message me when I am playing PvP. There is a good chance you won't like my attitude.
Yesterday, I got zerged down by Sload and as soon as I choked to death, one of the Sload users whisped me.
Sload user: Nice to see we are playing against each other again
Me: Do you think I really care?
Sload user: I do
Me: [ Places Sload user on ignore ]
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Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.Edited by Datthaw on June 15, 2018 3:32PM1 -
Scorpiodisc✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Just a tip to AD/EP, please do not message me when I am playing PvP. There is a good chance you won't like my attitude.
Yesterday, I got zerged down by Sload and as soon as I choked to death, one of the Sload users whisped me.
Sload user: Nice to see we are playing against each other again
Me: Do you think I really care?
Sload user: I do
Me: [ Places Sload user on ignore ]
Yeah, getting outplayed can be tough. The last thing you want is the person that outplayed you rubbing it in with whispers reminding you on just how badly you got outplayed. Good on you for just taking the high road and ignoring them, eventually.1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Really try and keep up, if 4 guys focus you, balance is not you alone being able to cope with that.
The basis would be 4v4, so in a BG if for the sake of simplicity two teams are fighting and their 4 players focus you and you get say 3 Sload's stacks on you, the balance is not you being able to fend off 4 guys through broken mechanics by yourself, the balance is that between you and the other three guys on your team you have group heals, group purges, skills like guard between you, combined with LoS, peeling, etc that the guy getting focused has a chance for long enough for your team to put the pressure on them.
As for "broken", please stop making me laugh, if you actually cared about skilled, balanced non-broken PvP you would not be playing this game, it is packed full of broken cheese from one end to the other. (hint: non-critable stackable shields are broken, permablocking is broken, etc, which is exactly why the game needs a "broken" counter like oblivion damage in the first place)
How did my name get on that?
I didn't say those things you responded to...
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Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Really try and keep up, if 4 guys focus you, balance is not you alone being able to cope with that.
The basis would be 4v4, so in a BG if for the sake of simplicity two teams are fighting and their 4 players focus you and you get say 3 Sload's stacks on you, the balance is not you being able to fend off 4 guys through broken mechanics by yourself, the balance is that between you and the other three guys on your team you have group heals, group purges, skills like guard between you, combined with LoS, peeling, etc that the guy getting focused has a chance for long enough for your team to put the pressure on them.
As for "broken", please stop making me laugh, if you actually cared about skilled, balanced non-broken PvP you would not be playing this game, it is packed full of broken cheese from one end to the other. (hint: non-critable stackable shields are broken, permablocking is broken, etc, which is exactly why the game needs a "broken" counter like oblivion damage in the first place)
How did my name get on that?
I didn't say those things you responded to...
O_o
I've corrected it, my apologies.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?3 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Well, let's go through this:
The effect of Sload's gets applied at close range to the target. So, is it wise as a NB to stay close to your enemy (either wearing Sload's set or anything else makes no difference), when trying to stay hidden? Of course not, so the problem is that you are simply too close to your opponent, bad choice.
There are many AoE abilities in this game with which you could have been uncloaked aswell, so no excuses please.
Why should a stamina NB slot purge? Well, why do they use any magicka ability at all? I could ask in return. Mostly they choose to slot Cloak or mass hysteria, and it makes sense. But if you want to stay close to your enemy as stated before, and try to stay cloaked, you are doing something horribly wrong with your NB...You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Maikon✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
If you run into a grp of 5 and you're solo, you're gonna die anyways, sloads or not.2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Your post is totally ego driven. You are mad that you couldn’t run away from five players chasing you.
If my Stam DK can easily out-heal this set, (which I’ve tested with guildies) the rest of y’all are doing something terribly wrong.
Five people focus firing on you is going to hurt. Regardless of armor set.
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Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭I didn’t take the time to read much past the first page so forgive me if this is already mentioned, but I think it’s an important note: when you purge sload’s it also ends the cooldown on sload’s.
So let’s say that you purge a sload’s at a second in, that opponent has an immediate chance on any damage to refresh that sload’s proc.
Realistically, even if you’re purging your heart out the set won’t respect that cooldown so you won’t get the full reprieve for the *so lengthy* six second cooldown. Pretty much, it’s just a matter of how many sources of incoming damage that determines the real downtime - and if they’re using double DOT poisons, any DOT skill, and then are light attack weaving a spammable DPS they’ll have more than enough checks at the chance to start a new sload’s proc.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma0 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Yeah because you never come over a hill or around a corner and find a group, that's just unheard of. Maybe you should be such a troll?0 -
Scorpiodisc✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too2 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Just a tip to AD/EP, please do not message me when I am playing PvP. There is a good chance you won't like my attitude.
Yesterday, I got zerged down by Sload and as soon as I choked to death, one of the Sload users whisped me.
Sload user: Nice to see we are playing against each other again
Me: Do you think I really care?
Sload user: I do
Me: [ Places Sload user on ignore ]
Maybe your attitude sucks because your build does and you have zero skill, just saying.Edited by Maikon on June 15, 2018 4:21PM1 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
I'll put it in terms for zerg players also, crown is down and you try to rez. People are camping his body and all sloads you. You die due to sloads proc because the crown was the purgeplar.1 -
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✭✭✭The effect of Sload's gets applied at close range to the target. So, is it wise as a NB to stay close to your enemy (either wearing Sload's set or anything else makes no difference), when trying to stay hidden? Of course not, so the problem is that you are simply too close to your opponent, bad choice.
You don't have to be at close range to get sload to death. I was counter sieging on a keep wall and got hit by a siege that proc'd Sload. The siege ate most my health and then sload ate the rest of it.
The siege was at Ales farm and I was on Ales wall, that sure was not too close to anyone.
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✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »gamerguy757 wrote: »Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?
you are not dumb at all, the problem is they refuse to use purge and adjust their build, just like the rest of us had to.
instead they prefer to run a build that has no defenses and is pure damage output, and they rely on shields.
so in exchange for their not slotting purge and makeing changes to their build like the rest of us have to, no, instead they just die, and their mad about it.
The problem isn't sloads in itself. The problem is pairing it to create a whole new archetype of gameplay which has no counter.
You say it's so simple, just purge sloads. It's really not, because what happens while you're casting purge for sloads? They are using a spammable on you, or ulting you, or applying different dots right after you purge. So now what must you do? Play defensive for a few seconds, but guess what, sloads is a 6 second cooldown and going to be up again right as you are ready to switch to the offensive. So you want people to purge again there too?
Also, please inform me how a stam sorc, stam dk, stam nb, and stam warden are going to be casting purge every 6 seconds.
And something else you're completely ignoring is the fact sloads, and other proc sets, do not consume resources for the opposing player. So while you're over there "spamming purge" they're sitting on full resources for a normal rotation while you are stuck on the defensive draining your own resource pools.
You have to look at the bigger picture and not just a 834 damage per second dot with no cooldown.
Stam characters will use a rotation of purge-balance-heal. They will use their stamina pool to run away.0 -
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✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.Edited by Datthaw on June 15, 2018 4:32PM1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »The effect of Sload's gets applied at close range to the target. So, is it wise as a NB to stay close to your enemy (either wearing Sload's set or anything else makes no difference), when trying to stay hidden? Of course not, so the problem is that you are simply too close to your opponent, bad choice.
You don't have to be at close range to get sload to death. I was counter sieging on a keep wall and got hit by a siege that proc'd Sload. The siege ate most my health and then sload ate the rest of it.
The siege was at Ales farm and I was on Ales wall, that sure was not too close to anyone.
I see, we go from BG's to Cyrodiil now, alright.
Don't stand in the red circles anyway. I mean, at least at some point one should get that this isn't healthy. There are no excuses for standing in seige fire either.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Scorpiodisc✭✭✭And while we're at it who not bgs, group of 4 socks allScorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.
It is called Situational Awareness. It can really help make a difference when you are playing player versus player. You can find some articles that go into more detail on it. Hope that helps
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✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »And while we're at it who not bgs, group of 4 socks allScorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.
It is called Situational Awareness. It can really help make a difference when you are playing player versus player. You can find some articles that go into more detail on it. Hope that helps
Lol you're so arrogant. So how could situational awareness help me when I stumble on a stealth group? It doesnt. You're just an arrogant butt wad hell bent on defending a broken set1 -
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
I still don't understand the "sell content to PVPers" argument when you don't need summerset to have sloads. Just have someone craft it and put it on.3 -
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✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »And while we're at it who not bgs, group of 4 socks allScorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.
It is called Situational Awareness. It can really help make a difference when you are playing player versus player. You can find some articles that go into more detail on it. Hope that helps
The saddest thing is how people defend this set. I have never complained about sets, I die in pvp it's w/e. But with this set there are times you don't even have a chance to say you just screwed up, because you didn't have a chance in the 1st place.2 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Lots of things are ruining PvP. The decaying corpse of small scale and solo open world play, stronger and stronger abilities that rival ultimates, increasing passive damage from CP and sets like sloads and Zaan, the still way overuse of snares and the ability and easily to gain defile and the insanely powerful way it befoul scales. ZOS is intent on making PvP accessible to the masses, they want the large groups their servers can’t handle because they couldn’t care less. They want these OP sets and abilities to sell content. It’s evident in the number of people that come to defend sets like these and he people who say just slot purge, build for health regen etc. These are answers that people give when they frequent zergs and don’t understand the concept of having to use all your damage and healing skills and to build for sustained fights and LOS rather than just building to face roll other groups to see who can cast Time Stop more often. They don’t get the fact that if you give up even one slot to deal with a single set, that it can cripple you in all other situations and that’s not acceptable. But these are the new generation of PvPers and the ones who never cared in the first place. Imo that’s whose taking over Cyrodiil, they’re not intetested in solo play or small scale and they’re not interested in the learning curve required to actually be effective, instead they’d rather just use the OP sets because to them balance means one person can’t possibly have the skill to take on multiple opponents and everyone should fight in giant groups and let the sets and abilities carry them. I bought Summerset and have Psijic skill so I should win, or I have Sloads so I should win. If ESO is going P2W in any way, it’s not that it’s cutting off necessary skills with a pay wall, it’s the entitlement that it brings and the way its killing off the PvP population that looks to skill over sets and abilities by allowing any new comer access to abilities and damage that require no practice to use.
Dude it's just a game not a livelihood. Making is easier to access is not a bad thing as it lets newer players enjoy the game and not just the elites.I play how I want to.1 -
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✭✭✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.
Triggered. It’s okay.
Yeah, it happens. When I run solo, I approach hot areas differently than in a group. I use my map more to see if a nearby resource or keep is flagged etc.
Is it probable that more enemies will travel near my path and destination? I better use stealth to survey the area.
Common sense.
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Scorpiodisc✭✭✭Scorpiodisc wrote: »And while we're at it who not bgs, group of 4 socks allScorpiodisc wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
Yeah because the 1st time stam user who slots purge to deal with sloads is instantly going to have it morphed. And still 5k mag on a stam toon with like 12-15k ? So you get a couple purges and lose all your other mag utility?
A first time stam user not having a skill morphed is irrelevant, sometimes when I level a character I go into the under 50 campaign with no heal, then die because I have no heal, I don't cry that is a balance issue because I haven't unlocked skills.
And yes 5k isn't cheap on stam, but then purge isn't the only option as others have pointed out, HoTs, sets that purge or heal, health recovery, etc.
But that actually requires some balance in a build, which upsets those who are used to builds being carried by broken mechanics like shields and largely maxing out one aspect of their build, whilst neglecting the other parts of their build. (like those who take 12k magicka on stam builds then cry at the prospect that might not be enough...)And no *** out numbered isint where you get balance from, that's such a stupid strawman point. But "balance" isint getting killed by 4 guys who light attack you once either now is it?
LOL, the only strawman is coming from you,, if your point was about light attacks then you would have specified light attacks, but you didn't, because it wasn't about that, it was just the typical crying about multiple people hitting you as if that mattered for balance, the reality is they could remove the procs from light attacks tommorrow and you would still have people complaining "I was 1v5 guys and I got multiple Sload's on me" as if that is the basis for balance.
You're missing the woke basis of this argument because your intent of defending a broken set. How is being able to stack multiple 5-6k 6s dots on a player balanced??????? How do you out heal that, how do you purge a constant uptime dot? It's just broken and if you can't see that then you're just really dull
Why are you expecting to fight 5 people and win?
The yolo swag 1 v X crowd is sure salty over this set.
Does he really think they should balance sets in the 1 v X environment?
If so, yikes.
God you're all really stupid. This has nothing to do with 1v1 1vx ego. The set is busted in group play and when outnumbered. 1v1 yeah you can probably outheal it. Any other situation its just an overpowered proc. Zos does this every damn time to sell content to pvp players.
look at it from my point of view, I run into a group of 5 players, they all sload light attack me while I'm trying to get away. There's not a *** thing I can do to escape.
Maybe you shouldn’t run into a group of five opponents by yourself?
Agreed, when I read that it made my Common Sense tingle too
So your idea of common sense is just stay in the keep? Or just zerg? Because there is ALOT of times you will get caught out and have to try and escape. Or do you just never play cryo.
It is called Situational Awareness. It can really help make a difference when you are playing player versus player. You can find some articles that go into more detail on it. Hope that helps
Lol you're so arrogant. So how could situational awareness help me when I stumble on a stealth group? It doesnt. You're just an arrogant butt wad hell bent on defending a broken set
Arrogant? You asked me a question and I answered it. Not sure why you are being so hostile. What is really "Arrogant" is to think that you are always going to win in every encounter. If you stumble into a stealth group then that is a situation that you are probably going to lose. Which is where Common Sense comes back into play.
You just have to remember that you are going to get outplayed sometimes. The trick is to not let it get ya down too much, okay?1
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