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sloads is destroying pvp
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »
Yes it is...
If you chose not to slot purge then you have no one to blame other than yourself when Sloads eats your character down to the bone...
;,,,;
Are you even serious? You want everyone including stam classes to slot purge against something that gets refreshed instantly the second it falls off? Jesus...
Sload is a problem and gamebreaking at that. It's not fun, it's not enjoyable, and if you think winning while having your hand held by something that literally takes 0 effort to apply is some sort of a giant achievement then I feel sorry for you.
It's nothing in Cyrodiil but try to do Battlegrounds. It's Horrible. Absolutely disgusting and not fun. The problem here isn't Sload itself if it worked as intended. Problem is it does not. It has 7 ticks instead of 6, It can REFRESH ITSELF (yes it can dont even try to argue with me I have seen it a bazillion times even while dead which is hilarious), it STACKS FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
Even the top players/streamers, those people look up to have said its HORRIBLE. You just defend a broken set because without it you wouldn't even scratch anyone in PVP. Or maybe you are on the exceptional players too, but I have seen far too many people without any sort of PVP awareness use this to kill good players. Let's at least be honest.
So new people to BG who aren't as good as preformed, experienced groups should just spend entire instance dead just because you can't just instagib them anymore?
Yeah let's DO be honest.
Let's also give new people a set to give them a chance.
I don't wear it, and I mostly pvp in BG and very rarely in Cyro, and I don't care about it.1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is not. I've had sload's on my death recap some times, damage like 2-4k. If that's "destroying PVP", then you have other problems besides Sload's. No, I don't use Sload's, never have and probably never will.
Look at me I’m another EP tank running with a 20 man zerg and sloads doesn’t bother me so it’s not OP.
I don't even have a tank anymore. I PVP these days with stamina and magicka nightblade, a stamina warden and a stamina templar (the later is actually more of a werewolf only build). I don't purge anything on other than the templar when in human form. I'm not a top tier player (well, according to some I am, but the top notch players won't agree to that).
I still die 9/10 from dawnbreaker/steel tornado, as I have done the last 2-3 months or so. Before that it was all eye-of-flame/vicious death/proxy. Sload's doesn't bother me at all, not even when it's worn by the most skilled enemies I know.
I can’t think of a single player that I know and respect who doesn’t hate this set. If you’re telling me that Sloads shows up sometimes for 2-4K damage then you’re not really PvPing that much or you’re standing in the center of a zerg. This set shows up in at least half of all death recaps for up to 7 ticks which isn’t even supposed to happen. I’ve had two 7 tick sloads in a row on my death recap from the same person. All I can say is, if Sloads doesn’t bother you as a player you’re either using it or you’re not really pushing into the fight.5 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭So really the best way to play the game is alone at least that is the hardest way you have to be better than other players to do it that is why I do it. But if someone tells me what to do that is just about it.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.
Nope...
No Sloads here...
Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...
I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...
Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.
You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...
Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...
But I don't expect small minds to realize it...
Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).
Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1
I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:
Physical Resist...
Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...
2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?
LoL...
Max Magicka...
I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...
Max Health...
Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...
Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...
So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...
As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...
I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.
Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...
In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...
So from the sets u use u are a tank in a 20 man zerg with little to 0 knowledge about competetive pvp in this game.
U are using only tank sets and with this u will even have a hard time killing guards without your zerg. But u can prove me wrong ofc. I have no problem to duel u. I am on PC Eu but we can also meet on pts if u are from NA. Just throw me an @ in forum or ingame with @gnozo. This goes for every forum warrior here. I will take my time so u can show me how professional u are in this game.
People are suggesting to run purge in battlegrounds. It costs 7k magicka. And thats all the magicka i have in nocp on a stamina build. So after using purge wich also dont grant to remove sloads cause only 2 negative effects my magicka is completly empty. So i cant use any utility skills anymore. No streak, surge, dark deal or vol armor, igneos shield or cloak, fear, shadow image
Thanks for the awesome tips my professional forum warriors.
Prove me wrong. Lets meet on pts. We gonna duel and u Show me ur awesome build wich can survive sloads, bleeding and major defile while still being able to sustain in long fights and still have decent damage to kill the average player.
I am really looking forward to these duels. Pls
" I will use my duelling cheese build with master axe bleed, defiles 2x dot poisons and sload´s to prove that you´re a bad player and that your build is bad"
lmao xD
I have 0 problem to duel without all the things u mentioned
And what does dueling me have to do with the thread topic?
Not a thing...
Nice attempt to derail btw...
To show that u have 0 clue about pvp mechanics and ur Arguments mentioned here are completely Trash. No Need to show it in forum cause everyone with basic knowledge about pvp will see this. I want to show it to u.
Ur build is just puuure tank build with 20 ppl behind ur back. Ofc u can ignore sloads.
Except I run solo or do small group primarily so your "20 people behind my back" argument fails...
As for pvp mechanics, I am well versed in them; dueling me wont prove a thing in that regard...
As for my arguments being trash, if they are trash then you should be able to prove it verbally; so far you haven't which makes me think that you cant...
But be my guest and try...
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s3 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.
Nope...
No Sloads here...
Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...
I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...
Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.
You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...
Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...
But I don't expect small minds to realize it...
Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).
Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1
I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:
Physical Resist...
Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...
2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?
LoL...
Max Magicka...
I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...
Max Health...
Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...
Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...
So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...
As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...
I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.
Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...
In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...
So from the sets u use u are a tank in a 20 man zerg with little to 0 knowledge about competetive pvp in this game.
U are using only tank sets and with this u will even have a hard time killing guards without your zerg. But u can prove me wrong ofc. I have no problem to duel u. I am on PC Eu but we can also meet on pts if u are from NA. Just throw me an @ in forum or ingame with @gnozo. This goes for every forum warrior here. I will take my time so u can show me how professional u are in this game.
People are suggesting to run purge in battlegrounds. It costs 7k magicka. And thats all the magicka i have in nocp on a stamina build. So after using purge wich also dont grant to remove sloads cause only 2 negative effects my magicka is completly empty. So i cant use any utility skills anymore. No streak, surge, dark deal or vol armor, igneos shield or cloak, fear, shadow image
Thanks for the awesome tips my professional forum warriors.
Prove me wrong. Lets meet on pts. We gonna duel and u Show me ur awesome build wich can survive sloads, bleeding and major defile while still being able to sustain in long fights and still have decent damage to kill the average player.
I am really looking forward to these duels. Pls
" I will use my duelling cheese build with master axe bleed, defiles 2x dot poisons and sload´s to prove that you´re a bad player and that your build is bad"
lmao xD
I have 0 problem to duel without all the things u mentioned
And what does dueling me have to do with the thread topic?
Not a thing...
Nice attempt to derail btw...
To show that u have 0 clue about pvp mechanics and ur Arguments mentioned here are completely Trash. No Need to show it in forum cause everyone with basic knowledge about pvp will see this. I want to show it to u.
Ur build is just puuure tank build with 20 ppl behind ur back. Ofc u can ignore sloads.
Except I run solo or do small group primarily so your "20 people behind my back" argument fails...
As for pvp mechanics, I am well versed in them; dueling me wont prove a thing in that regard...
As for my arguments being trash, if they are trash then you should be able to prove it verbally; so far you haven't which makes me think that you cant...
But be my guest and try...
I highly doubt that u play solo. For me solo means u take fights outnumbered or at least in a 1v1. And additionally to this I highly doubt that u can kill a decent player in a 1v1 or 2v1 with ur current setup. Solo doesnt mean u are not i am group but still right next to the zerg. This is not solo. This is called zerg surf.
And i also highly doubt that u are playing solo. With ur selfish tank build no smalscale group who takes themself serious want u in their group. What does ur build offer to the group? Nothing. U are Not using any sets that synergies with smalscale. Also to clarify smalscale also means fighting outnumbered. Killing 20 players with a 5 mean group. This is called smalscale. Not killing 2 players with 5 players.7 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭gamerguy757 wrote: »Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?
It does 853 damage per tick (if I remember correctly), but you'd think it was doing three times that way some people carry on.
Basically ESO is full of bad players (same as any other MMORPG, good players looking for skilled PvP are not here, because you simply don't get that in a game like ESO), so a lot of them basically want to play whatever cheese they are used to, using whatever broken mechanics they are used to.
So when something comes along that is designed specifically as a soft counter to the broken mechanics they are used to (non-critable stacking shields, excessive blocking, etc) they cry, slotting a purge or HoT to alleviate things is too much for the poor dears they are used to the notion that for example shields and bit of LoS (ezmode with streak) is basically a one stop shop for defence.
The only reasonable criticism of Sload's, is how it hard counters (as opposed to soft counting shields, blocking,etc) cloak, but then really invisibility is an absolutely broken mechanic in open type PvP modes like Cyrodil (at least the way virtually every MMORPG has made it), so it is difficult to shed too many tears in that regard.Edited by Sylosi on June 15, 2018 9:36AM5 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »i bet most people that say "LOL SLOADS IS EASY TO COUNTER JUST PURGE LOL" are running sloads.
Nope...
No Sloads here...
Spectre's Eye/Combat Physician/Mighty Chudan combines to make me pretty hard to kill which I love...
I have no interest in wearing Sloads at current as a result...
Considering the terrible sets you use, I doubt you have much experience on solo/small scale pvp which is where sload's is OP.
You ignorance is apparent as small scale and solo is what I mostly do and have great success with the above...
Running Shields, Major Evasion, while sporting high base resists simutaneously is amazingly effective...
But I don't expect small minds to realize it...
Lets look at spectre's eye for starters: Mediocre 2-4 piece bonuses. Uptime probably lower than 40%, but lets be generous and say 45%. That gives you on average 6,75% mitigation from the set, but it doesn't work against aoe or channeled stuff (like most ultimates for example).
Check out the thread below to see a ton of better options: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1
I am fully aware of Taylors thread (I posted a lengthly post about the merits of Spectre's Eye there as a matter of fact) and your opinion on the 2-4 set piece bonus's I disagree with:
Physical Resist...
Last I looked, there is a lot of physical damage in this game, so you can never have too much of this as a result...
2975 Physical Resist equates to around 4.5% damage negation against Physical attacks with 100% uptime, and you think that's mediocre!?
LoL...
Max Magicka...
I am a Magicka Templar, so this is always good for me...
Max Health...
Sloads cannot be mitigated, so the only "defense" to it is to have a high Health Pool, excellent Self Healing, and/or high Health Regen...
Spectre's Eye enhances your Health Pool significantly...
So looking at the bonus's, I see nothing but goodness; some might not agree with that, but those bonus's add to survivability, and that's always a good thing in PvP...
As pertains to Spectre Eye's ability to mitigate damage, on average, yes there are other sets that will outperform it, but Spectre's Eye brings something to the table that other sets like Riposte's and Transmutation cant match and that's the ability to completely avoid an attack (and that attacks secondary effects like Poison and CC)...
I've passively dodged Incap on multiple occasions, and so I avoided 6-10k damage, being Major Defiled, and Hard Stunned...all at once.
Not many other sets can match something like that, and IMHO, it more than makes up for the damage mitigation over time differential that some of the other sets have over it...
In conclusion, I feel the set is much better than its rep suggests...
So from the sets u use u are a tank in a 20 man zerg with little to 0 knowledge about competetive pvp in this game.
U are using only tank sets and with this u will even have a hard time killing guards without your zerg. But u can prove me wrong ofc. I have no problem to duel u. I am on PC Eu but we can also meet on pts if u are from NA. Just throw me an @ in forum or ingame with @gnozo. This goes for every forum warrior here. I will take my time so u can show me how professional u are in this game.
People are suggesting to run purge in battlegrounds. It costs 7k magicka. And thats all the magicka i have in nocp on a stamina build. So after using purge wich also dont grant to remove sloads cause only 2 negative effects my magicka is completly empty. So i cant use any utility skills anymore. No streak, surge, dark deal or vol armor, igneos shield or cloak, fear, shadow image
Thanks for the awesome tips my professional forum warriors.
Prove me wrong. Lets meet on pts. We gonna duel and u Show me ur awesome build wich can survive sloads, bleeding and major defile while still being able to sustain in long fights and still have decent damage to kill the average player.
I am really looking forward to these duels. Pls
" I will use my duelling cheese build with master axe bleed, defiles 2x dot poisons and sload´s to prove that you´re a bad player and that your build is bad"
lmao xD
I have 0 problem to duel without all the things u mentioned
And what does dueling me have to do with the thread topic?
Not a thing...
Nice attempt to derail btw...
To show that u have 0 clue about pvp mechanics and ur Arguments mentioned here are completely Trash. No Need to show it in forum cause everyone with basic knowledge about pvp will see this. I want to show it to u.
Ur build is just puuure tank build with 20 ppl behind ur back. Ofc u can ignore sloads.
Except I run solo or do small group primarily so your "20 people behind my back" argument fails...
As for pvp mechanics, I am well versed in them; dueling me wont prove a thing in that regard...
As for my arguments being trash, if they are trash then you should be able to prove it verbally; so far you haven't which makes me think that you cant...
But be my guest and try...
I highly doubt that u play solo. For me solo means u take fights outnumbered or at least in a 1v1. And additionally to this I highly doubt that u can kill a decent player in a 1v1 or 2v1 with ur current setup. Solo doesnt mean u are not i am group but still right next to the zerg. This is not solo. This is called zerg surf.
And i also highly doubt that u are playing solo. With ur selfish tank build no smalscale group who takes themself serious want u in their group. What does ur build offer to the group? Nothing. U are Not using any sets that synergies with smalscale. Also to clarify smalscale also means fighting outnumbered. Killing 20 players with a 5 mean group. This is called smalscale. Not killing 2 players with 5 players.
You can think what you want; it matters little to me...
I know what I do regularly and your ignorant assumptions wont change that...
And you still haven't proved my arguments to be "trash," so unless you have a counterargument to the ones I've stated, then all you are doing at this point is essentially saying "blah, blah, blaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh" over and over again...
Your posts lack substance at current and are a waste of time...
Cheers!
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on June 15, 2018 9:37AMUnyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s2 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Next Update i want this set pls:
The noob Carrier:
2 piece: adds 50k hp
3 piece: adds 50k hp
4 piece: adds 50k physical and spell resistence
5 piece: By staring at an enemy u create an unbreakable beam wich deals 10k Oblivion damage every 1 seconds. This set has no cooldown.8 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Next Update i want this set pls:
The noob Carrier:
2 piece: adds 50k hp
3 piece: adds 50k hp
4 piece: adds 50k physical and spell resistence
5 piece: By staring at an enemy u create an unbreakable beam wich deals 10k Oblivion damage every 1 seconds. This set has no cooldown.
holy why am I laughing
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Next Update i want this set pls:
The noob Carrier:
2 piece: adds 50k hp
3 piece: adds 50k hp
4 piece: adds 50k physical and spell resistence
5 piece: By staring at an enemy u create an unbreakable beam wich deals 10k Oblivion damage every 1 seconds. This set has no cooldown.
LoL!!!!!
You are a butthole, but that was funny...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on June 15, 2018 9:41AMUnyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s2 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok really. Sloads. Sloads
I talk about it because that is what we are talking about.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Only two fixes to make it ok:
No more stacking (worst offender)
Stops breaking cloak
Other things that’d be nice:
Affected by battle spirit
Increase the cooldown OR make the conditions more specific to proc it2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We are in a new meta and hybrids are very strong this time . There are counter builds out there but probably not what people that max one way are use to . Also resource regen drinks with health regen are really good for staying up against oblivion damage . Health regen builds are more sustainable this patch then before . You may want to branch away from old builds and explore what classes can do more now .3 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »We are in a new meta and hybrids are very strong this time . There are counter builds out there but probably not what people that max one way are use to . Also resource regen drinks with health regen are really good for staying up against oblivion damage . Health regen builds are more sustainable this patch then before . You may want to branch away from old builds and explore what classes can do more now .
I love this guy man. Your posts make me holler.1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
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Im still trying to find decent combos for my build but I think it fits well, i needed a set to apply pressure because I was getting CC'd beyond belief and just didnt have the sustain, and if something else comes along that I believe works, I'll test it out. Im not into cheese builds, I do like a degree of challeng. Im not the greatest at PVP, which i'll admit, but im not like those who are abusing this set and making it absolute cancer like it appears. Im serious when I dont believe this or any such set should stack from rediculous numbers of people. I play solo, and try my best to be able to hold my own in a 1v1 fight. I've never personally beaten more than that, and sloads never gave me a sure advantage individually, and if it did, I really would speak up. I never built for taking advantage of oblivion damage,and im getting hate whispers because im using sloads. Thats literally it.Edited by D0PAMINE on June 15, 2018 9:53AM1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
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Im still trying to find decent combos for my build but I think it fits well, i needed a set to apply pressure because I was getting CC'd beyond belief and just didnt have the sustain, and if something else comes along that I believe works, I'll test it out. Im not into cheese builds, I do like a degree of challenge. Im not the greatest at PVP, which i'll admit, but not everyone is abusing this set and making it absolute cancer like it appears. Im serious when I dont believe this or any such set should stack from rediculous numbers of people. I play solo, and try my best to be able to hold my own in a 1v1 fight. I've never personally beaten more than that, and sloads never gave me a sure advantage individually, and if it did, I really would speak up. I never built for taking advantage of oblivion damage,and im getting hate whispers because im using sloads. Thats literally it.
okay.
Now.
Blood spawn and ww hide is a great build near meta I have done adequate testing. Is there better? Well yeah. Do I know what? Of course I do. 0 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If Sloads had been in the game since beginning, no one would see it as an issue. People just are used to making glass cannon setups with defense relying on 1 thing, playing solo and demanding they can be a dps, healer and tank all in one player in a multiplayer game with roles.
Have problem with Sloads? Try this out:
Have someone a bit tanky (a real support/cc tank) soak up even several Sloads and cc enemies for you to kill. Have a healer purging away Sloads and other nasty things for you, couple dps that kill enemies.
Last battlegrounds for me had zero deaths, no Sloading screens. Might be too simple solution for people though.
As said, if the set was on the game since start, no one would see it as a problem. Now.. people are so used to running the typical streamers builds where they run around solo killing potatos and shouting "this is so OP setup its insane!".
This game imo is about rock, paper and scissors type of game what comes to builds and setups.. some people want to be all of them at once and forget that you can do that by teamplay. Making a good team that makes Sloads not a problem at all.
I know this is unpopular opinion, but those who have a deeper understanding about pvp and teamplay in it know the reasoning why this set was created.6 -
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✭For me its actually not all about sloads. For me i hate every armor or monster set that deals damage itself. No matter the proc Chance or condition. Its just frustrating to die and see 4 different proc sets in ur death recap. Thats Not pvp. Thats procset vs procset. This is boring Gameplay.
U dont need to work on your class. You dont need to Invest hours and hours into the game to be good in pvp. U just Need to slot these sets and they will carry your Lack of knowledge and skill. Its like having a drone in Battlefield wich always stays by your side and shoots People automaticly without u doing anything.
Some days ago i saw a magicka Nightblade. It was more like a Nightmare than a Nightblade.
His sets: zaan, Knight slayer and elf bane.
He was heavy armor. Only stayed on his resto bar and all he did was using heavy attack from resto. So 100% magicka all the Time. Using healing ward and resto ultimate to heal up and Knight slayer and zaan did the job for him. That dmg was insane. No one could Escape the zaan proc cause he always stayed close and it takes more then 1 Dodge roll to get out of zaan range. Also heavy attack from resto is undodgeable so kinghtslayer always hits. When things got really hot he just cloaked away until full hp then repeat.
Now tell me. Is this balance? Is this fun gameplay? No skill needed to ditch out insane damage and still being tanky with crazy heals. No need to learn class or rotation. Nothing. And still able to kill a Lot of decent players.
Sets that deal damage itself should get removed from pvp and should stay pve exclusive and then they can also crit again. So pve players are happy again.Edited by Gnozo on June 15, 2018 10:20AM7 -
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✭✭Gnozo, that "nightmare-blade" setup is just a single target 1vs1 dueling setup that would not do anything against a competent team in battlegrounds. He would be deleted fast.
Funnily enough, you say he was nightmare, yet he did not have Sloads on his setup. Even more funnily, you could have countered him cloaking away and healing to full.. yes, with Sloads.
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✭Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.2 -
Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ZOS is trying to get rid of the high regen, 20min 1 v X builds that dance around keeps that are uber defensive and super safe to play.... (like all the one offense, one defense + bloodspawn- isn't that the "Elite Player Meta" now)
I personally don't have a problem with fighting people in Sloads, because when you wear 3 offensive sets and hit really hard, I can usually get the kill before that set Procs, of course I have no problem with dying when someone gets the jump on me either.... put the ego aside, lose the high regen "super safe" build and play to kill people, you won't even notice what they are wearing most of the time.2 -
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Same as my forum name, PC EU. But I don't see how that question is even relevant in the slightest. Also it is quite obvious what I am saying: Oblivion damage cannot be mitigated = fact. If you claim otherwise, please tell us the details.
What are you saying?
your @. And which platform?
So have I. And yes there were other periods where balance was pretty bad, like patch 1.6 and 1 tamriel patch. The game was in a good period after they nerfed viper and the other OP proc sets. It was actually playable and more skill based. But from then on, up to Dragonbones and Summerset, it only became worse. This last patch is especially outrageous and it completely unhinged the game. Go play some no CP BG's and if you have any ability to objectively assess what is going on in there, you will know ZOS done *** it up. I honestly find it hilarious how someone can claim that balance getting better.
Hahahaha. Okay, I knew you often post unpopular opinions, but this is entirely another dimension. Game is getting more and more balanced... give me a break
100% agreed man. Even ZOS can't be this oblivious to balance.
You don't have to explain anything to me about the 'why'. I was just pointing out the facts and why the guy was wrong.
It doesn't do 400 damage. It does exactly the amount of damage on the tooltip. It is oblivion damage, which means it isn't mitigated by anything: resistances, damage reduction, mistform, shields, block, dodge, cloak and NOT EVEN battlespirit. So the damage isn't even halved. So what you basically have is a viper dot on steriods doing twice the amount of damage and it is not mitigatable. It can be stacked on you ad infinium and eats up all your healing. It is a disgusting set, especially in this defile meta.gamerguy757 wrote: »Maybe I'm being dumb...but I looked up Sloads online...how is a set that does 400 damage in cyrodil cause so much problems? Can someone explain what this set is doing that is such an issue?
Battle spirit doesn't reduce Oblivion Damage because Oblivion damage isn't modified by anything...It would be absolutely pointless to do that as the devs can set it exactly how much they want it to do.
Also Sloads is basically doing the same damage that Overwhelming Surge does, the only difference is one applies as status effect and one goes through Shields.
And no, on a build with decent damage reduction and resistances overwhelming surge deals a lot less damage to your opponent than sloads. It also doesn't stick so if the target gets out of range the damage dissapears. Overwhelming is a strong set, but not overperforming because it can actually he countered/mitigated.
It also has a condition to proc in that it has to be a class skill, which mean it’s limited to moslty magicka builds and won’t proc of things like siege. Sloads procs on any type of damage at all and works on any and all builds. It procs of bow light attacks or siege damage. It’s far too accessible and is unprecedented in this game. It is a set meant to trump other sets and sell content. ZOS is aware of its overuse and in the past this has led to nerfs, but they’ve statedthey won’t ans it’s because Summerset is new. Mark my words, once summerset has faded a little Sloads will be adjusted and the next set will come out.
ZOS can balance. This game is getting more and more balanced.
When was it more balanced than now I've been here for years buddy.Edited by Koensol on June 15, 2018 10:58AM2 -
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✭Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.6 -
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✭✭Initially i was disagreeing but this set is totally OP in BG and Cyrodiil.Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 15, 2018 11:03AM1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Everyone who just says "purge it" need to stop. Purge is hardly even viable on my mag toons, like 7.5k cast cost? How.... HOW is that viable to be cast every 6 seconds, if not more if there are multiple sloaders attacking you. Unless you're a healer, or a templar then "purge it" just won't work. Most of the "purge it" people are probably just parroting others and have 0 experience actually fighting it.
Though apparently experienced enough to know that efficient purge is about 5k cost, that something that ticks for 853 does not actually need to be purged at all times and that you don't define balance by multiple guys focusing 1.
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✭✭✭✭✭So, you are saying I should use Sloads in PVP?
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✭It's a set that applies crazy pressure by basically just standing there spamming left click from behind a tree.
It has more damage than similar proc sets, that damage can't be mitigated, and there's no condition to proc it (like melee damage for Viper for instance).
Sload basically destroys any enticement to improve and annihilates differences between classes and playing styles.
Shame and disrespect to whoever at ZOS greenlit that POS of a set.PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.4
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