Honestly, no, I'm not losing the motivation to play PVP.

1. No, macros aren't allowed and feel feel to report people you think are using them.

2. Cyrodiil was designed for large scale combat between groups of 8 to 24 players, so you might say that zerging was built into the game. There are important objectives - of course lots of players are going to converge on those objectives,

I like objective based play, so I'm at a keep or resource to capture or defend it, not farm or be farmed. I've got no problem with ball groups or zergs (I blame ZOS for the lag), but Im not going to stick around to be farmed. Fortunately, there's plenty of other objectives to capture and defend.

3. ZOS has an unfortunate habit of designing a proc set for the newest content that brings all the PVPers to the yard and it takes an update or two before they nerf it. I'm sure its great for their sales, but it's not healthy for PVP.

Try console. No macros or addons = no cheaters

@Waylander07 Sounds like classic burnout - try taking 2-3 months off from the game, then come back and you'll find you can have fun again. You'll laugh at the issues you mentioned instead of feeling bitter, and when it all becomes too much again - take another break. Paraphrasing here, but the devs said a while back that their aim is to "raise the floor and lower the ceiling" for players in terms of skill, so the things that bother you (zerging, dumb armor sets) are there by design, and aren't likely to change. It's up to you to work within their framework to find a way you can still enjoy playing - for me, it's been transitioning from mostly solo play to always grouping up with a buddy or two. When you're getting zerged down, or on horseback for 10 mins, you can at least commiserate and shoot the breeze.

I played for the first time yesterday (this patch) for a couple hours, and just about everyone seemed to be exploiting with 4-5 abilities suddenly hitting me at once. It's game performance/lag more than anything else, and when it got too frustrating I just logged off and made a sandwich.

edit: Clarification of "played for the first time" - I've been playing this game on and off for years LOL.

My suggestion to the OP: finish the somerset content and then take a 2 to 3 month break. But come back from Midsummer Mayhem. PVP for a week and then take break. I took a 2-year break followed by another 5 month break. Now I am back and loving ESO more than ever, even though I hate that they still haven't fixed cyrodiil after Summerset dropped.

Also I am in one of those ball groups that Farms AP and I love it. You might think that it takes no skill to run an effective ball group, but to time ultimates correctly to move as one it takes practice and the only way we get a p that way is if we are on top of our game. It's actually pretty hard to be in a group of 16 people and wipe 70 players, everything needs to be timed correctly if anyone screws up it's over. And don't get me started when one ball group meets another ball group. That s*** is a whole other competitive game. You have to do fake outs you have to Juke you have to spread, there's a whole other style to Ball versus ball

SwampRaider wrote: »

My suggestion to the OP: finish the somerset content and then take a 2 to 3 month break. But come back from Midsummer Mayhem. PVP for a week and then take break. I took a 2-year break followed by another 5 month break. Now I am back and loving ESO more than ever, even though I hate that they still haven't fixed cyrodiil after Summerset dropped.

Also I am in one of those ball groups that Farms AP and I love it. You might think that it takes no skill to run an effective ball group, but to time ultimates correctly to move as one it takes practice and the only way we get a p that way is if we are on top of our game. It's actually pretty hard to be in a group of 16 people and wipe 70 players, everything needs to be timed correctly if anyone screws up it's over. And don't get me started when one ball group meets another ball group. That s*** is a whole other competitive game. You have to do fake outs you have to Juke you have to spread, there's a whole other style to Ball versus ball

To be honest I have never considered it from the AP zergers point of view or the skill that it takes to run in one, thanks for opening my eyes to that

I have mostly played solo in Cyridiil and have always played for the campaign in my 4 years of play. I have put in the work farming gear and learning skills and it took me a long time to get to a place where I wasn't dying all the time in Cyridiil and actually winning more fights than I was losing. It is hard to walk away from something when you have put so much effort and time into it. I have also made a few good friends through the game and had a lot of enjoyment out of playing it.
But due to the things I have mentioned I find myself wanting to play less and less which is sad. A break from the game might change that, I will just have to wait and see.

Yes I do for mostly the same reasons. I just take an occasionally break (came back when summerset released) and take a deep breath and just defend/attack keeps, which is why I wanted to play this game in the first place

They have lowered the ceiling and raised the floor to the point that it feels claustrophobic and difficult to enjoy the game unless you wanna zerg surf or play in raid groups. They keep empowering mindless gameplay and making skillful play less and less meaningful. Solo PvP is the most difficult I’ve found it to ever be. Still possible but just frustrating. Small scale in a good duo or small group is still possible and that’s the only reason I keep playing. But at this rate, if they keep going down this path idk how much longer I’m gonna stick around. Honestly enjoy battlegrounds so much more than cyrodiil these day.

It’s a shame cus this game used to be really damn good. But they are intent on destroying skilled pvp in favor of artificially making an even playing field on some “everybody deserves to win and get a participation trophy” bs. Well, soon they are gonna have a game where there is no inspiring or riveting gameplay or players who pursue challenges. Just a bunch of mindless zerg surfers running like lemmings between chalman and bleakers. And they will look back at the skilled players, challenging content, and variety in playstyles the game once had and be filled with regret. But it will be too late.

Nope. There are still lots of things I haven’t yet done. I’m totally loving Summerset! Not bored yet. And I’m a beta monkey person.

I left for about a year and came back (I hated, hated, hated Morrowind) and wanted to give it a chance again with Summerset.

As a single/multiplayer MMO this game is great. Overworld? Questing? Raids? Dungeons? FANTASTIC! Tons of stuff to do, great story, solid acting, and with a large variety of depth.

PVP falls flat on its face. When the combat's good and fights are heated the PVP shines like a brilliant diamond, but there's so much downtime. The flow of action is terrible with too many luls in between combat. But for player to play combat alone give the PVP a 3 out of 5.

The bigger problem is Cyrodiil in general. It's the worst of all the zones design-wise. It's as big and vast as it is empty. The three factions are supposedly engaged in an epic war... yet there's virtually no signs of of this epic clash. Sure, I get it, the players are supposed to fill that roll, but when combat dies down or you go exploring off the beaten path you're left with nothing but empty landscapes. There are really no signs of this epic three banner war in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing worth fighting for in Cyrodiil. Sure, Imperial City is sprawling and interesting, but the rest of Cyrodiil is dead. Try to find quests to run outside of the three cities. Try to find any points of interest. Sure, there are some, but you could spend a metric ton of time looking for them and never find one. Oddly, there's tons of really decently designed delves. They nailed that part down.

I don't think ZOS had a proper vision for what the zone should be... or if they did they gave up half way through. There are towers and other areas where they started decorating but clearly stopped. Four years in and it still feels like ZOS just gave up on Cyrodiil's development and has no plans to go back and finish it. If it feels like ZOS cares about Cyrodiil why will the players?

And bugs. There are still NPC mobs which are bugged (they move at 3-4X speed). The zone has notorious graphics issues with the low quality LOD landscape overlaying are high quality, buildings and trees blinking in and out between thier low and high states, gameplay issues, combat bugs, etc. Never mind the exploits. An exploit in the main game? Let's take the game offline and patch it. Exploits in Cyrodiil? Sometimes they last for months, and the same people you see exploiting them day in and day out are still there ages later.

Then you add in PVP servers which are nearly void of players.

What's the end game with Cyrodiil? Just wait for players to dwindle down and get bored of it, then convert the zone to a single player one? Cyrodiil is just in a sad state of affairs.

Derra wrote: »

@Waylander07 honest question - do you understand what a macro is and what it allows you to do in a game like elderscrolls?

@Derra Everyone knows macros give you super powers and the ability to land 10 attacks in one second . Everyone knows they are against the TOS to use because you get an unfair advantage . Human interface only is the rule here . No one should be breaking the rules because ZoS will ban them for it . Just ask @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . They will tell you . Stop using macro super powers and L2P like everyone else without cheating .

It is a rather strange thing, but now that I am not subscribing to ESO Plus, I seem much more relaxed about the game, which is resulting in a boost of optimism. When they finally get rid of the full page add at every login, I might actually play the game more.

I should have canceled my subscription MONTHS ago!

zyk wrote: »

This is a video of Fengrush executing a Macro Slice -- which doesn't have anything to do with conventional macros.

This confusion is all on ZOS though. The game is vulnerable to memory hacking and other forms of external cheating, plus it has in-game glitches that ZOS is slow to fix -- it takes months to years to fix them -- and the game lacks industry standard cheat mitigation. So there is a natural lack of trust among players who encounter something they either don't know about or are unable to do -- which may be completely legitimate.

Yeah, I'm familiar with how that works, but some them do have issues. Some macros can be used for buffs (weapon swap, buffs, revert back to main bar). Not blaming everything on macros. It's more how bad the combat system is in ESO in general. It's fun to fight, but the combat mechanics have so many issues under the hood that things just seem to break outright.