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Why is Sload's still not nerfed?
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Just to show how bad it is.....
Full Tank / Heal / Support Build with ability to cleanse over 5 effects whenever you like....
Just spammed to death with dots and each tick seems to apply sloads....so you just can never cleanse it....it's a perma debuff...
Nabbies will always go for broken stuff to get carried and then defend it in most riduculous ways.4 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »yes, thats exatly this @Oxaliasdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.
thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.
the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.
nope not always..can agrtee only if you have more sloads on you but about only dots...well we have build on pvp where on sole you will stack to 5 different dots
1) rending slashes
2) dual wield passive axe bleed proc
3) poison inject
4) 1st poison proc from weapon poison
5) 2n poison proc from weapon poison (yes if people running with wepaon poisons for jsut DOT they have 2 poisons at once from single)
this we have basic dots easy to get and very very often and also 6th dot - poisoned status
and dont forget about possibility to 7th and 8th dot from proc sets
this is all possible from only stam build but can achieve similiar number of dots also from magica build
1st can change to destro touch avaible for all
poisoned status effect dot can change to burning
2nd, 3rd and can add additional 2 depending on class dot we start going to class dots
every class except I think sorc have atlest this 1-2 class dots (for sorc we can talk about curse instead of dot viable to purge)
and I think we can easility add more than 2 class dots at magdk
so in most cases even single player can easilty give you 4-5 different dots from only skills, without proc sets but here are goin ofc proc sets with additional dot - sload
so how you are supposed to purge only sload whiel you have atlest 4 dots on you if not more and with it many other debuffs like jsut main, defile, reduced resists etc whcih also can be purged by rng before sload
EDIT: tl;dr
you dont need face more than 1 player to get dotfest on you where purge is just useless if you want to purge only 1 dot because with rest you can deal until you get this one most broken
i have seen and fought those type of builds before and yeas those are some Nasty builds, but i was still able to weave in during the fight a few purge casts and i was close to death but i won. sometimes i lost to it but it was fair sometimes as long as i could cast a few purges i did survive 50% of the time.
as long as i did not get a sloads screen i was ok. (kinda)
oh yeah, Im able to also survive spad dodtfest evenw ithout any purge until sload proc on me and then what? on dotfest ist jsut impossible to get rid of sload but if you know better then please explain me how to deal with sload while having tons of debuffs on me so spam purge wont help me to much0 -
Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭That set is so balanced that it was the first set i got after the patch and it is even more balanced in no cp like all proc sets. Luckily ZOS decided that bg should be no cp so everyone can enjoy the awesome cp balance which is even more balanced in no cp. And since everyone loves balanced sets, they amount of players abusing this set skyrocketed.
You want some sload?
You can have sload!
And you can have sload!
You all can have some sload!
#wantmygoldmatsbackaftertheynerfedthisset
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mr_wazzabi✭✭✭✭✭
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Stack on healer. Don't move or you'll die, but shield up cause this undodgeable aoe will hit everyone for 10k.
Sound familiar?
Try doing that as a stam dpsBosmer Stamina NB
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JPcrazysquirrel3✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I seriously can't wait for the 5th
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LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I think it was clearly enough at my post. The Game allows to much Dot Pressure with this Set and other combinations. The balance is since years a problem. First the block was to strong, then the heals was to strong, now the dot pressure is to strong.
Yes, but if you replaced sload in your setup with something else, the result would most likely be the same. That's what i meant. So it is hardly a proof of sload overperforming:I’m pretty sure you could run assassins guile with that setup and be just as nasty *shrug*
False assumption. I could replace sloads with Spinners and spell pen doesn’t penetrate shields. And that’s one example and spinners is a good set. I could go through the whole LA and craftable list off the wiki and make a case that sloads in additive aggregate amongst players is far more OP than most other sets. Not to mention the 2/3/4 bonuses are really good compared to most sets.
I’m curious. Do you work for Zos? I’ve never known you to ever post anything or take a stance in counter to a negative position or situation Zos has created.Edited by LegacyDM on June 2, 2018 2:02AMLegacy of Kain
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So from what I have seen of it, a DOT build DOTs you up, and even with extended ritual, if you remove it, its right back on you if you got it off you at all with other DOTs and debuffs.1 -
mlsweet✭✭* high pitched hysterically demonic screeching *
1 set that prob is as good as this, but no-one uses really, is Dual wield master axes: (2 Items) Increases the bleed damage Twin Slashes deals by 1500 each tick. now if you do double axes you have another 16% bleed change on top...
Iknow, it gets reduced by battle spirit, but it ignores all resistances aswell (exept shields thats the only non-common thing).
I dont really see a thicc problem with this sload set, zos finally listened to #nerfsorcs!
Two big differences here.
1.) Master Axes are much harder to obtain than a 6 trait crafted set.
2.) It's oblivion damage. You can't shield / stealth through it.
Just to compare, if you've ever used shield breaker, you'd know it's an effective set against magsorcs. You still have to be skilled to use it properly (ie weave your light attacks with a combo, or know when to spam that left mouse button), but there's no doubt it can be lethal.
Now imagine that you can get all that effectiveness without having to be mindful of when or how to use it. This is sloads.
Also, there were plenty of ways to down magsorcs prior to Summerset without oblivion damage. Time a CC with a burst. Apply dots, uppercut and execute. Petrify and leap. You name it. I've been killed by hundreds of skilled players thousands of times. But you don't even need to CC a magsorc if you're wearing sloads in order to wreck them. That's pretty cheap.
But it's not just super effective against magsorcs. NBs can't even stealth away. So make it two classes (excluding stam sorcs) that have had their class defining defense ripped out from under their feet.
Right now, master duel wield is one of the strongest options in the game, as you stated. But I can live with that for a few reasons; it's difficult to obtain (requires time and skill to get) and it doesn't unbalance the class vs class dynamics (ie shields and stealth still work), all while still being a great and powerful set up. So I respect and actually commend people for using it. It's smart and fair. But that's just not the case with sloads.
This set seems to be a pretty disappointing attempt to level the playing field between players of varying skill, while at the same time destroying one of my favorite parts of the game, PvP build creativity. It matters less which class or resource you choose, slots sloads and you've instantly become a competitor, without having to put too much thought or time into the game.
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mlsweet✭✭The set is clearly broken
Sload's ticks 7 times (once at start and once per second for 6 seconds). That is 6k dmg. 6k unmitigated dmg is insane.
I challenge any player to walk that dmg back through Battle Spirit, Armor, and Defenses.
What if I told you about a craftable proc set that put a 20k DoT over 6s on people? Would you complain then? 'Cause thats basically what Sloads is.
Stop standing up straw-men about how it could even kill a crab. The point is that this dmg happens IN ADDITION to everything else you are doing.
Also, 10% chance on any dmg is EASY. Valkyn is 8% on DoTs only, and its completely savage on nearly any class.
Sloads + Valkyn + ?? anyone?
Everyone is out healing sload, even my magsorc can. 853 damage per second is strong but not OP.
It's not just the proc that you have to heal through.
I don't know how you play magsorc, but magsorcs don't generally have heals aside from healing ward or resto ult pvp wise. Healing ward takes 5 seconds to heal you (if it's still even up) and resto ult is an ultimate. Those are pretty bad odds of survival, even 1v1.
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Laitonobi-Magicka Sorcerer- AR 36 - Standard-Guardian
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BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭The set is clearly broken
Sload's ticks 7 times (once at start and once per second for 6 seconds). That is 6k dmg. 6k unmitigated dmg is insane.
I challenge any player to walk that dmg back through Battle Spirit, Armor, and Defenses.
What if I told you about a craftable proc set that put a 20k DoT over 6s on people? Would you complain then? 'Cause thats basically what Sloads is.
Stop standing up straw-men about how it could even kill a crab. The point is that this dmg happens IN ADDITION to everything else you are doing.
Also, 10% chance on any dmg is EASY. Valkyn is 8% on DoTs only, and its completely savage on nearly any class.
Sloads + Valkyn + ?? anyone?
Everyone is out healing sload, even my magsorc can. 853 damage per second is strong but not OP.
It's not just the proc that you have to heal through.
I don't know how you play magsorc, but magsorcs don't generally have heals aside from healing ward or resto ult pvp wise. Healing ward takes 5 seconds to heal you (if it's still even up) and resto ult is an ultimate. Those are pretty bad odds of survival, even 1v1.
In cp people probaly can, in no cp its impossible if you get defile, you just get ready to get wrekt by a set"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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Oxalias✭✭✭yes, thats exatly this @Oxaliasdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.
thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.
the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.
nope not always..can agrtee only if you have more sloads on you but about only dots...well we have build on pvp where on sole you will stack to 5 different dots
1) rending slashes
2) dual wield passive axe bleed proc
3) poison inject
4) 1st poison proc from weapon poison
5) 2n poison proc from weapon poison (yes if people running with wepaon poisons for jsut DOT they have 2 poisons at once from single)
this we have basic dots easy to get and very very often and also 6th dot - poisoned status
and dont forget about possibility to 7th and 8th dot from proc sets
this is all possible from only stam build but can achieve similiar number of dots also from magica build
1st can change to destro touch avaible for all
poisoned status effect dot can change to burning
2nd, 3rd and can add additional 2 depending on class dot we start going to class dots
every class except I think sorc have atlest this 1-2 class dots (for sorc we can talk about curse instead of dot viable to purge)
and I think we can easility add more than 2 class dots at magdk
so in most cases even single player can easilty give you 4-5 different dots from only skills, without proc sets but here are goin ofc proc sets with additional dot - sload
so how you are supposed to purge only sload whiel you have atlest 4 dots on you if not more and with it many other debuffs like jsut main, defile, reduced resists etc whcih also can be purged by rng before sload
EDIT: tl;dr
you dont need face more than 1 player to get dotfest on you where purge is just useless if you want to purge only 1 dot because with rest you can deal until you get this one most broken
Exactly, the argument of "you were outnumbered so you were going to die anyway" Is something I hear a lot, the game needs to support skill, if needs to support players making fast moves in tight situations instead of punishing them with a SWAMP of dots.1 -
exiars10✭✭✭✭Still not get killed by Sload once in Vivec PC Europe.
Alcast is currently streaming from Vivec (?, it's CP campaign for sure), and I don't see Sload in Kill Recap again.Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
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✭✭✭✭Still not get killed by Sload once in Vivec PC Europe.
Alcast is currently streaming from Vivec (?, it's CP campaign for sure), and I don't see Sload in Kill Recap again.
So you're honestly telling us that you haven't got a single sload tick on any death recap? Great, sounds like I should go back to vivec. On Sotha Sil you've got this set everywhere.2 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.2 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Might as well get on the meta. Does sloads have a limit to how many targets you put it on? As in large AOE is it possible to spread to everyone?0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.
Broken sets, as we had for example with "twice born star" when you could use all of the signs at once, which was not intended is a whole different story. If that was the case with this set - din't try it myself yet - I would think differently about that of course. But if not, why should there be made any change, especially since crafters have something nice again?Edited by Kelces on June 2, 2018 3:36PMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!1 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.
Broken sets, as we had for example with "twice born star" when you could use all of the signs at once, which was not intended is a whole different story. If that was the case with this set - din't try it myself yet - I would think differently about that of course. But if not, why should there be made any change, especially since crafters have something nice again?
Im crafter myself and theres lot of nice things i can craft to make money. Economy and crafting doesnt need a boost by implementing vastly overperforming set. Every set and every skill in game should be implement with fair and balanced combat reasoning only.2 -
nCats✭✭✭I do not see how this is 18 pages, so tl;dr.
Go into BG, see everyone use the set. This does not warrant any other explanation that something is wrong.
Remove. Or change oblivion to magic damage, buff it slightly so it is similar to Viper in total. Will not be used often.2 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.
Broken sets, as we had for example with "twice born star" when you could use all of the signs at once, which was not intended is a whole different story. If that was the case with this set - din't try it myself yet - I would think differently about that of course. But if not, why should there be made any change, especially since crafters have something nice again?
Im crafter myself and theres lot of nice things i can craft to make money. Economy and crafting doesnt need a boost by implementing vastly overperforming set. Every set and every skill in game should be implement with fair and balanced combat reasoning only.
It's not about money for me, I don't sell much at all. I agree with the sentiment of balance and would even go so far as to say, leave all set bonus out of PvP and let the people show some genuine skill. But I know almost no one wants that...
So what else to do as counter opportunism with opportunism..?Edited by Kelces on June 2, 2018 3:44PMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!1 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.
Broken sets, as we had for example with "twice born star" when you could use all of the signs at once, which was not intended is a whole different story. If that was the case with this set - din't try it myself yet - I would think differently about that of course. But if not, why should there be made any change, especially since crafters have something nice again?
Im crafter myself and theres lot of nice things i can craft to make money. Economy and crafting doesnt need a boost by implementing vastly overperforming set. Every set and every skill in game should be implement with fair and balanced combat reasoning only.
It's not about money for me, I don't sell much at all. I agree with the sentiment of balance and would even go so far as to say, leave all set bonus out of PvP and let the people show some genuine skill. But I know almost no one wants that...
So what else to do as counter opportunism with opportunism..?
Maybe reading player feedback for a start. ZOS was warned long long ago on pts set is overperforming and will be spread to every build possible. But it was implemented regardless. Same story with plenty overperforming sets and skills in past. They dont seem to learn. So id advise swap guy responsible for changes for a smarter one able to foresee obvious events. And for now, immediatelly patch it out, either put a cd on proc of 10-15s minimum or change dmg type.Edited by Gravord on June 2, 2018 4:17PM1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The saddest part about this whole thing is how completely new players to PVP and the game as a whole will have no *** idea what happens to them every time they die, and even if they try they'll just get slaughtered without a chance to defend themselves.
... which of course will result to people hating the PVP before they even get a chance to try the real fun side of it.
Or they'll join the club with sload and then once it gets nerfed, as it inevitably will, the entire process will start over.
This whole thing we have going on right now is simply NOT healthy. I've seen so many disappointed new players in BGs that i had to talk back into the game and make them worry less about how stupid the game feels.
Something nobody here is realizing.4 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Amazing, we never saw that much outrage about any drop-sets. I was really surprised that this was the even the case, usually this is something for drops. Now, that finally crafters have something useful again, we get pages after pages of complaints.
Where was this kind of outrage with...I don't know, pick any set that was too powerful? This thread might probably surpass any other topic about OP-sets, and probably because it is "too easy to get" - aka crafting.
Viewed from the other perspective, I was imagining if it has to be pieced together via drops. "Would you really prefer that?" I was asking myself. So many people get annoyed by droprates, I don't think that would be e solution for it either, not to mention that this wasn't ever done.
It’s been there for every proc set in PvP so not sure what rock you have been living under.
What was always there, more specific please?
Posts complaining about every proc set ever when they came out. Vipers, Veli, all of them until they put a delay on some.
Sure, I didn't claim, there weren't any. Only that this topic seems to go much further.
Because previous broken sets were appealing to specific builds. Sload in its incredible broken design can and IS being used by any dps, regardless if they are stam or magicka because it outperform anything else that could have been taken in that slot. Healers and tanks run it aswell because its no effort lot of added dmg to the team dps. If set can be used by any class and any build and its valuable, its broken, plain and simple.
Broken sets, as we had for example with "twice born star" when you could use all of the signs at once, which was not intended is a whole different story. If that was the case with this set - din't try it myself yet - I would think differently about that of course. But if not, why should there be made any change, especially since crafters have something nice again?
Im crafter myself and theres lot of nice things i can craft to make money. Economy and crafting doesnt need a boost by implementing vastly overperforming set. Every set and every skill in game should be implement with fair and balanced combat reasoning only.
It's not about money for me, I don't sell much at all. I agree with the sentiment of balance and would even go so far as to say, leave all set bonus out of PvP and let the people show some genuine skill. But I know almost no one wants that...
So what else to do as counter opportunism with opportunism..?
Maybe reading player feedback for a start. ZOS was warned long long ago on pts set is overperforming and will be spread to every build possible. But it was implemented regardless. Same story with plenty overperfomring sets and skills in past. They dont seem to learn. So id advise swap guy responsible for changes for a smarter one able to foresee obvious events. And for now, immediatelly patch it out, either put a cd on proc of 10-15s minimum or change dmg type.
Yes, I read and heard about that and I thought it was "just another new DLC drop-set" and wasn't surprised at all about the stories told. "Just like always", I thought. But when I was surprised was, as I discovered the crafting stations...
What to du until an eventual change? Avoid using the set to not get a bad reputation (if that's a possibility), or using it out of spite (opportunism vs. opportunism)?
Anyway it's quite easy now, they could simply ask a crafter, if they can't do it themselves, to make a set for them and It's make your choice then I guess: Dark side or Light side?
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!2
