Sloads in Battle Grounds

DeadlyRecluse · June 2018

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

Waffennacht · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

Joy_Division · June 2018

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

Don't stand on the way of sload's train, you are magsorc, not a tank

When solo the best solution is running away kiting your enemies, it's always been sorc main playstyle. Use BoL (the morph which absorbs projectiles) and roll dodge into LoS to avoid dmg if you are separated from group, use dark deal to recover (it easily outheals 1-2 sloads without additional dmg).

Use high stamina regen (amber + shackle preferably), try to never shield stack and always be offensive 1vs1

When playing in group and facing another sload's group, try staying ranged and let them hit your friends instead of you, as sorc that's not that hard at all.

Tbh I have much more problems with sloads on my magblade compared to sorc, but shade helps there greatly

You realize how incredibly dumb this comment is? Shields are a Sorc's defense. What else are they supposed to do? What about solo players? This isn't just a BGs issue. Sloads needs to be affected by battlespirit and brought down to a minor number.

I know right. The best way not to "stand on the way of Sload's train" is to take the advice of the old Wargames movie - the only winning move is not to play.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

That's exactly my point, though. It hoses literally everyone and ever form of mitigation--direct heals being the only real direct counterplay (along with purging

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So 2/5 classes and one form of mitigation available to everyone should have a powerful, direct counter? A SINGLE direct counter that you can slot and you know hey, this is going to shut down 2/5 of my opponents and essentially reduce the effectiveness of a single core defensive mechanic with almost zero investment?

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So to recap my list:
Cloak
shields
block mit
armor mit
buff-based mit

You think all of those deserve to be countered by a single set? Or, to phrase it another way, you think one set/damage type should be the rock to the collective scissors of almost every single form of defensive play in the game?

Minno · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

That's exactly my point, though. It hoses literally everyone and ever form of mitigation--direct heals being the only real direct counterplay (along with purging

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So 2/5 classes and one form of mitigation available to everyone should have a powerful, direct counter? A SINGLE direct counter that you can slot and you know hey, this is going to shut down 2/5 of my opponents and essentially reduce the effectiveness of a single core defensive mechanic with almost zero investment?

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So to recap my list:
Cloak
shields
block mit
armor mit
buff-based mit

You think all of those deserve to be countered by a single set? Or, to phrase it another way, you think one set/damage type should be the rock to the collective scissors of almost every single form of defensive play in the game?

i agree with you both. A set comes in and no one has countered it yet but at the same time sloads+2 tanky duos are really effin tough now whereazs last patch they were just tanky.

I though HA/tank shouldnt be able to sustain and deal damage? Unless I missed the memo lol.

Mihael · June 2018

its okay soon these mighty console defenders of sloads with see how annoying it is and will be making nerf sloads threads themselves

Waffennacht · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

That's exactly my point, though. It hoses literally everyone and ever form of mitigation--direct heals being the only real direct counterplay (along with purging

Waffennacht wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

No one complains about viper because I can actually use my defenses (shields) against it. Sloads mitigated every defense a sorc has.

This--though I'd rather people shift the conversation around Sloads away from class specific counters, as it leads to cackling responses of "that's what you get, you filthy NB/Sorc/Permablocker!" rather than actual engagement with the ***-poor design of the set.

Sloads mitigates almost every defense ANYONE has.

It strips cloak from NBs.
It ignores shields from sorcs/annulment users.
It bypasses block mitigation (hitting pretty much every class that isn't using a shield or cloak right in their strongest form of mitigation).
It bypasses armor mitigation (RIP heavy armor).
It ignores percent-damage-reduction abilities (so major protection reduces your damage, except when it doesn't???)

I main a magplar--probably the single best equipped class to deal with sloads, as I'm pooping out a ritual every 6 seconds or so anyway--and I still think it's an obnoxious set. I don't even think it's OP--I think it's just poorly designed top-to-bottom.

But... NBs, Sorcs, and Permablockers are arguably the most powerful builds, and why shouldn't they have themselves a powerful counter? (Shield breaker is too niche imo)

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So 2/5 classes and one form of mitigation available to everyone should have a powerful, direct counter? A SINGLE direct counter that you can slot and you know hey, this is going to shut down 2/5 of my opponents and essentially reduce the effectiveness of a single core defensive mechanic with almost zero investment?

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean, I see sloads, but then I see your list and I'm like... Well those guys kinda deserve it (and I have one of each myself)

So to recap my list:
Cloak
shields
block mit
armor mit
buff-based mit

You think all of those deserve to be countered by a single set? Or, to phrase it another way, you think one set/damage type should be the rock to the collective scissors of almost every single form of defensive play in the game?

Should they? No

Doesn't mean I'm not spiteful lmao.

Like I said, I agree with your assessment. But you really picked the worst line up for examples!

I'm not a class rep, I'm not anything, meaning I can throw out my opinions on the forums knowing no one at ZoS will hear it lmfao

Edit: I r good at English

NyassaV · June 2018

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.

It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Try playing 2H magblade where you just have the bad Forward Momentum heal + healing ward as your dependable sources of healing... And then they use shield breaker too. It's so much worse. I've pretty much quit PvP for a bit

Waffennacht · June 2018

I'm thinking you gotta have a 100-0 build or a GTFO build or the very builds they are using in this META; even if they do change things it won't be for a while

Gilvoth · June 2018

if 4 people all cast their ultimate on you, you die, how is this set any different?

Minno · June 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm thinking you gotta have a 100-0 build or a GTFO build or the very builds they are using in this META; even if they do change things it won't be for a while

It's the new acuity (ZOS marketing; break *** and sell it. Then nerf it before the next release).

Hutch679 · June 2018

Slack wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to use Zaan+Relequen+sload + Master Daggers on backbar
You can light attack your way through No CP bgs

If I were you and you were me, then I'd use your body to get to the top. You cant stop me no matter who you are!

Edziu · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if 4 people all cast their ultimate on you, you die, how is this set any different?

maybe these are skills and need to be charged before use while set have itself stats and not only its just literally free damage but also you can go 0 offence points, go full healer/tankly and can rekt anyoine by just weaoring sets killing players without any skill and effort?

BigBadVolk · June 2018

Edziu wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if 4 people all cast their ultimate on you, you die, how is this set any different?

maybe these are skills and need to be charged before use while set have itself stats and not only its just literally free damage but also you can go 0 offence points, go full healer/tankly and can rekt anyoine by just weaoring sets killing players without any skill and effort?

ye never compare ultimates to set they are not the same, ultis are strong because you dont spam then 24/7 like you can sets like Sloads

DoctorESO · June 2018

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.

It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Travel with a combat buddy until it's nerfed

Metemsycosis · June 2018

Neoauspex wrote: »

The dot from this set should not stack. That being said: https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

Yep. Thanks for reminding me of this. I'll add that instead of dragonguard on my magnb.

Vapirko · June 2018

I like how people such as Gilliame, who is possibly the - and definitely one of - the most knowledgeable ESO players openly saying Sloads is OP and asking ZOS to nerf, and yet we have all these forum warriors in here telling everyone how you can just slot purge or wear so and so set lol. Just hilarious.

Biro123 · June 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.

It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Travel with a combat buddy until it's nerfed

Rapid regen counters a single sloads. If there are multiple, and/or you're defiled, pots and lights champion can buy enough time to escape and it wear off.
Drop healing ward.. u don't need it.

Minno · June 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

I like how people such as Gilliame, who is possibly the - and definitely one of - the most knowledgeable ESO players openly saying Sloads is OP and asking ZOS to nerf, and yet we have all these forum warriors in here telling everyone how you can just slot purge or wear so and so set lol. Just hilarious.

even templars knwo purge can only help so much when players can throw around 10+debuffs easy before sloads.. And we have a skill that takes away 5 effects on each cast lol.

I can only imagine what a player has to go through to counter dmg that has no direct mitigation.

Deep_01 · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wanna survive?

Troll King
2h back bar, FM, Boundless, Streak, Dampen, Surge Atro ult (passives)

Front: staff + what you want, back bar is the tip here

With 2h, FM and TK with sorc passives in BGs you have over 3k health regen - afaik TK still isn't affected by Defile

GTFO from your opponents with snare and root immunity, FM procs TK (and the small HoT will cover approximately half of the Oblivion damage alone) boundless for expedition and streak for GTFO (can also use ball)

Potions can allow you to change up the abilities - but same idea

Your other set can be defensive or offensive depending on your style

TK is affected by defile. And why am I supposed to change my entire build to combat a single set. That doesn't make sense to me.

Why do you think your build should be effective against everything?

That doesn't make sense to me

Edit: and I'm referencing the mentality, not sload necessarily. Many people think, "why should I change my build?" - because the meta changed. New things were just released, why would you think what you ran before would still function the same - esp in ESO

purge is not practical on any build thats not built for purge spam.

that just isnt true.
i play a stamina nightblade and i can cast purge and i do cast purge. it is necessary for bleeds and sloads and Many other things.

You're funny. Best post of the day.

it wasnt a joke. i am being serious.

i play a stamina nightblade and i can cast purge and i do cast purge. it is necessary for bleeds and sloads and Many other things.

How many players do you usually play with/near/around in cyro?

Quantum_V · June 2018

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.

It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Geez...

Riggsy · June 2018

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.

It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Lol, got to love the entitled magsorcs who think they should be able to wear light armor, do high damage and have high survivability. Meanwhile, stam classes get melted if they run around in medium armor. You want counterplay? Wear heavy armor like everyone else. Sloads is a form of balance in non-CP, and in CP its negligible if you know how to play.

Rianai · June 2018

Right, because heavy armor counters Sloads. Oh wait ...

Waffennacht · June 2018

Rianai wrote: »

Right, because heavy armor counters Sloads. Oh wait ...

I don't even heavy in BGs. Medium spin2win or light proc all the way lol

GrigorijMalahevich · June 2018

For what it does and how it works - Sload is definitely overperforming. It is proced by everything and not affected by battle spirit.

Make it proc only from direct damage weapon abilities and affect (as it obviously should be) it by battle spirit.

As for that particular situation 1x3 sload users - resto ult is your friend and run away from such encounters. Surge (just build for enough crit and abilities that have a higher chance to proc it) and healing ward can save you from 1x2 or at least give you a fighting chance anything above that in BG - run and pick your fights.

One of my guildies runs health warden 60hp and runs full oblivion damage build - if I stand on one place my magsorc gets 4000-5000 DPS of oblivion damage and I can’t outheal that, but magsorc doesn’t stand on one place

it is an easy win if played smart.

P.S. free instant damage sets should go or not work on players.

P.P.S. ZOS - everyone already bought Summerset to get Sload, you made your coin - time to close this feature.

Waffennacht · June 2018

Valera Progib wrote: »

For what it does and how it works - Sload is definitely overperforming. It is proced by everything and not affected by battle spirit.

Make it proc only from direct damage weapon abilities and affect (as it obviously should be) it by battle spirit.

As for that particular situation 1x3 sload users - resto ult is your friend and run away from such encounters. Surge (just build for enough crit and abilities that have a higher chance to proc it) and healing ward can save you from 1x2 or at least give you a fighting chance anything above that in BG - run and pick your fights.

One of my guildies runs health warden 60hp and runs full oblivion damage build - if I stand on one place my magsorc gets 4000-5000 DPS of oblivion damage and I can’t outheal that, but magsorc doesn’t stand on one place it is an easy win if played smart.

P.S. free instant damage sets should go or not work on players.

P.P.S. ZOS - everyone already bought Summerset to get Sload, you made your coin - time to close this feature.

No Oblivion damage is affected by Battle Spirit and if it was, the glyph most definitely would need to be reverted

oxygen_thief · June 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Right, because heavy armor counters Sloads. Oh wait ...

I don't even heavy in BGs. Medium spin2win or light proc all the way lol

you should spin faster or sload will get you

Nyladreas · June 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

I like how people such as Gilliame, who is possibly the - and definitely one of - the most knowledgeable ESO players openly saying Sloads is OP and asking ZOS to nerf, and yet we have all these forum warriors in here telling everyone how you can just slot purge or wear so and so set lol. Just hilarious.

I believe Alcast said it too.

It's cause they can't play the game at all, are full of crap and just want to keep the set so they can keep their undeserved wins counting. I see this exact type of players run around in High HP builds, light attacking everything, never knowing for a single second what's even actually happening around them. Usually attempting to permablock abusing the proc sets to kill people. Or they are sorcs who spam fury and frags over and over as if there were only 2 buttons on their entire skillbar

The best ones are those arguing about how it's supposed to counter tanks and shield builds.... Oh that's why we have all these TANKS AND SHIELD USERS running around with Caluurion, Sload's and Zaan/Valkyn eh? What a load of bull... if you ask me

I've asked about a dozen top ranking players and they all Agree that this set is causing a slow death of PVP at the moment. But hey everyone is rank #1 on the forums eh.

That's how I feel about it anyway. Please feel free to argue my statement. See if I change my mind.

Waffennacht · June 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

I like how people such as Gilliame, who is possibly the - and definitely one of - the most knowledgeable ESO players openly saying Sloads is OP and asking ZOS to nerf, and yet we have all these forum warriors in here telling everyone how you can just slot purge or wear so and so set lol. Just hilarious.

It's cause they can't play the game at all, are full of *** and just want to keep the set so they can keep their undeserved wins counting. That's how I feel about it anyway. Please feel free to argue my statement. See if I change my mind.

I would say, a lot of people don't need such a set to win, but it is fun to absolutely crush someone... I mean... It is

Don't look at me like that!

Thogard · June 2018

The only redeeming feature of sloads is that it keeps nightbladss out of cloak, which finally gives the other classes an effective counter that doesn’t force them to completely handicap themselves against the he nightblade for when the NB decides to kite or fight back.

If the “fix” to sloads is that it’ll no longer keep NBs out of cloak. I’ll finally give up and just accept the fact that ZOS wants all decent players playing stamblade. I’ll finish mine and play it exclusively until such a time that the ZOS devs stop playing it as their main.