Sloads in Battle Grounds

mikegundy

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

Vaoh

Ahh yup. You’re in no-CP where healing is even tougher. Plus Major Defile is still a thing here.

The answer is simple:
1. Run away from them
2. Use a different build
3. Group up with a dedicated healer

You could run a Mag Templar healbot so you can actually purge the effects and heal up. However, you can’t survive alone on most builds against something like that, especially if you rely on damage shields a lot or cloak.

Summerset is the patch of Oblivion Damage builds ._. we’re finally going to see zero counterplay besides legit running away or becoming a healbot.

Vaoh

Maybe if you used Encase you could have evened the odds..... js

Zelos

I love this game, ZOS finally did it. Id rather go back to the ganking meta and proc meta then deal with a oblivion damage meta

wheem_ESO

ZOS should have learned their lesson after all the nonsense with proc sets in the past. I had a Domination game earlier where some guy fired a light attack and Poison Injection at me, then we went our separate ways...I took over 12k damage all together, since that one DOT + light attack proc'd Sload's twice. 'Course it didn't kill me, since there wasn't any other incoming damage before I healed up, but I think it helps illustrate just how broken that set is. A singular DOT shouldn't be proc'ing that much damage (and preventing my Magblade from cloaking for 12 seconds straight), especially since there will ordinarily be a lot of other incoming damage as well.

And I know I'm not the only person that's seen 3 different Sload's from 3 different players on the same death recap (or 2 different Sload's from the same person, that's always fun too). When you add in sets like Zaan, Selene's, Caluurion, etc...it gets even dumber.

amir412

HAHAHAHAHAHA just lol. This guy took aids to another lvl.
That's one of the reasons i dont step into non cp bgs, and pepole complain about cp being broken. *** like that shine even brighter in bgs.

Vaoh

amir412 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHA just lol. This guy took aids to another lvl.
That's one of the reasons i dont step into non cp bgs, and pepole complain about cp being broken. *** like that shine even brighter in bgs.

BGs were amazing in Dragon Bones. Some of the most fun I have had in this game since Cyro PvP was actually still good (which imo was in Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood).

It sounds like Summerset messing with MMRs and adding in Sloads is the culprit. Not no-CP.

Leandor

Vaoh wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHA just lol. This guy took aids to another lvl.
That's one of the reasons i dont step into non cp bgs, and pepole complain about cp being broken. *** like that shine even brighter in bgs.

BGs were amazing in Dragon Bones. Some of the most fun I have had in this game since Cyro PvP was actually still good (which imo was in Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood).

It sounds like Summerset messing with MMRs and adding in Sloads is the culprit. Not no-CP.

No-cp bgs was the only type of pvp I enjoyed for a very long time. Now? Yeah well, I need to finish the summerset grinds. At least something to do.

Gprime31

Sees death recap.... spits out coffee lmao

Neloth

Don't stand on the way of sload's train, you are magsorc, not a tank

When solo the best solution is running away kiting your enemies, it's always been sorc main playstyle. Use BoL (the morph which absorbs projectiles) and roll dodge into LoS to avoid dmg if you are separated from group, use dark deal to recover (it easily outheals 1-2 sloads without additional dmg).

Use high stamina regen (amber + shackle preferably), try to never shield stack and always be offensive 1vs1

When playing in group and facing another sload's group, try staying ranged and let them hit your friends instead of you, as sorc that's not that hard at all.

Tbh I have much more problems with sloads on my magblade compared to sorc, but shade helps there greatly

Edziu

Vaoh wrote: »

Ahh yup. You’re in no-CP where healing is even tougher. Plus Major Defile is still a thing here.

The answer is simple:
1. Run away from them
2. Use a different build
3. Group up with a dedicated healer

You could run a Mag Templar healbot so you can actually purge the effects and heal up. However, you can’t survive alone on most builds against something like that, especially if you rely on damage shields a lot or cloak.

Summerset is the patch of Oblivion Damage builds ._. we’re finally going to see zero counterplay besides legit running away or becoming a healbot.

there is also 4th option which I have done....just stop playing it until they fix it...sad
especially on bg's this run away wont work as it mean you wont defend flags for example or getting kills to deatchmatch becasue you will run everytime you see this enemy team

about 2nd optionwith different build..only option in different build to have chance with it what we see opn death recapp is drop your class specific defense and goo full heavy tankly build like 90% of pvp so its again against class diversity

Edziu

@mikegundy and Im with you as stamblade who dont use meta cancer builds, only thing I have cloak and with it low health on my build and




I dont post every my recap because it could be really big spam here
in many recaps I have maybe only 1 sload and other killing me abilities so I will explain:
sload breaking cloak, I jsut cant cloak and or any other dots ticking on me are finishing me because me defense is cut ff in 100% or I jsut cant go to cloak and Im more exposed to any other hits
(no, I wont dodge dodge infinitely especially also on noncp without additional cost reduction to doges so I even cant dodge every attack while my cloaks is 100% shut down

Maulkin

The combat team team does not seem to get it.

High damage proc sets, cost poisons and oblivion damage might be fine in CP PvP where your healing, tankiness and sustain scales high. But they are borderline game breaking in no-CP.

They have two game modes essentially, CP and no-CP. They need to start taking both into account. Because they keep breaking the latter with all they stuff they add to enhance/balance the former.

Otherwise might as well remove no-CP altogether. Which would be incredibly sad cause without that stuff no-CP smallscale (ie. BGs) is actually a ton of fun.

BigBadVolk

RIP No CP 2014-2018

DisgracefulMind

Neloth wrote: »

Don't stand on the way of sload's train, you are magsorc, not a tank

When solo the best solution is running away kiting your enemies, it's always been sorc main playstyle. Use BoL (the morph which absorbs projectiles) and roll dodge into LoS to avoid dmg if you are separated from group, use dark deal to recover (it easily outheals 1-2 sloads without additional dmg).

Use high stamina regen (amber + shackle preferably), try to never shield stack and always be offensive 1vs1

When playing in group and facing another sload's group, try staying ranged and let them hit your friends instead of you, as sorc that's not that hard at all.

Tbh I have much more problems with sloads on my magblade compared to sorc, but shade helps there greatly

You realize how incredibly dumb this comment is? Shields are a Sorc's defense. What else are they supposed to do? What about solo players? This isn't just a BGs issue. Sloads needs to be affected by battlespirit and brought down to a minor number.

DeadlyRecluse

There have always been things in this game that become extremely cheesy when stacked. Battlegrounds just give groups an opportunity and incentive to actually use them, and Sloads is one of the most flexible and effective of such cheese.

Some groups are trying a similar strategy open-world, where I haven't really seen it be as effective (outside of 3-4v1 scenarios), but in the controlled environment of a BG it's pretty brutal.

pieratsos

You guys all need to L2P. You are all scrubs. The pros said that its very easy to outheal it.

Neoauspex

The dot from this set should not stack. That being said: https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

Gilvoth

you have to be willing to do 2 things to fight sloads.

1) slot and use the alliance skill "Purge"
and you might have to cast it twice to remove sloads but it does work and it will remove sloads curse.
sloads only procs every 6 seconds and also it only has a 10% chance to proc, so you do have a while once you remove sloads to fight back against the sloads set wearer.

2) be willing to adjust your build
just like others have said previously, adjusting your build for defense and sloting a bit more into health, instead of running Pure Damage build is the best place to start.

if you refuse to do those two things then you will have a hard time with not only sloads but ALL sets that proc damage to you.

Hutch679

Blue betty on a mag warden combined with heals should be able to handle sloads no problem. Sorcs only slot healing ward for heals which is why they are complaining. Honestly, it's a great counter to shield stackers. To everyone else it's just another dot. No one was complaining about viper. But sloads is just "too much". I'm on console so I haven't played against it. But I base all my builds on having tankiness and healing while being able to burst. Not really concerned tbh.

Wycks

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?

Run a NB ! Just joking it's even worse.

Just run a sloads aids build and join the meta party !

Hutch679

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

Edziu

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to survive short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Hutch679

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to ruveve short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Healing ward isnt really a burst heal though... It's a shield that heals you over time (after 6 seconds). Not sure what "able to revuve short time and run" means. A HoT with a burst heal like dark conversion WILL save you. Ive never seen a player in battlegrounds survive 4 people beating on them except for MAYBE a tank that is built to permablock and deal 0 damage, 0 healing. Played over 600 battleground matches. As an auditor (professional expertise in coming to a conclusion based on evidence), I believe observation of 600 matches played is a fair amount of evidence to reasonably state you cannot survive 4 players all beating on you and survive in no cp battlegrounds. Rebuffs alone would be ridiculous... defile, resistance debuff, dots, vulnerability, status effects.... come on man lol.

Edziu

Hutch679 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to ruveve short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Healing ward isnt really a burst heal though... It's a shield that heals you over time (after 6 seconds). Not sure what "able to revuve short time and run" means. A HoT with a burst heal like dark conversion WILL save you. Ive never seen a player in battlegrounds survive 4 people beating on them except for MAYBE a tank that is built to permablock and deal 0 damage, 0 healing. Played over 600 battleground matches. As an auditor (professional expertise in coming to a conclusion based on evidence), I believe observation of 600 matches played is a fair amount of evidence to reasonably state you cannot survive 4 players all beating on you and survive in no cp battlegrounds. Rebuffs alone would be ridiculous... defile, resistance debuff, dots, vulnerability, status effects.... come on man lol.

sorry but was texting a bit to fast, that was mean "survive" at start
and yes, healing ward isnt trully burst heal but iths mag sorc only instant high heal

and no, did you seen those recaps on sorc recap? 3x sloads at once and ofc there was other any dots and damage which was on shield and not displayed on recap so if you know how pvp look you should know in situation like this whcih we had in recap there was no way to spam casting over 1 sec healing which also dont heal you into full health from below 50% on pvp

and optionally hot will be able to outher 3x sload...but that will be needed few HoTs ad single are really weak especially on non cp but in situation like this from recap you should know hot whont help because:

3 palyers on you, mostly you have no chance to do anythin else than shieldstack for survive, then on normla damage yes, you normally can survive
but here w have problem, where sorc have problem to stay alive at 3 attackers sjust spamming shields where is time to use altlest 1 HoT? which also can be on other swapbar, jsut 1 second not recasting shields and you have no shields agains few attacker and you are melted if you was not lucky and not spammed streak to LoS but even it is insanely hard whiel you have ticking few sload at once at you and other dots whiel probably beign spammed by any range abilities lie jsut light attacks to proc again sload

Mureel

Hutch679 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to ruveve short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Healing ward isnt really a burst heal though... It's a shield that heals you over time (after 6 seconds). Not sure what "able to revuve short time and run" means. A HoT with a burst heal like dark conversion WILL save you. Ive never seen a player in battlegrounds survive 4 people beating on them except for MAYBE a tank that is built to permablock and deal 0 damage, 0 healing. Played over 600 battleground matches. As an auditor (professional expertise in coming to a conclusion based on evidence), I believe observation of 600 matches played is a fair amount of evidence to reasonably state you cannot survive 4 players all beating on you and survive in no cp battlegrounds. Rebuffs alone would be ridiculous... defile, resistance debuff, dots, vulnerability, status effects.... come on man lol.

What about stupid bird that is now better than breath of life? I don't run pets or see the need, but maybe you do.

Killset

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

This is actually a good point. We know he lived at least 12 seconds since he got 7 tics of Sloads then another 5 tics from the same player (assuming Sloads tics every second and I’m reading this right). This is about 8 seconds longer than most people live when I’m in a premade Focus killing people. Of course there are the tanky exceptions and I am in no way defending this set. I just wonder if it is actually increasing TTK in many situations. Zaans needs nerfed too.

Hutch679

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to ruveve short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Healing ward isnt really a burst heal though... It's a shield that heals you over time (after 6 seconds). Not sure what "able to revuve short time and run" means. A HoT with a burst heal like dark conversion WILL save you. Ive never seen a player in battlegrounds survive 4 people beating on them except for MAYBE a tank that is built to permablock and deal 0 damage, 0 healing. Played over 600 battleground matches. As an auditor (professional expertise in coming to a conclusion based on evidence), I believe observation of 600 matches played is a fair amount of evidence to reasonably state you cannot survive 4 players all beating on you and survive in no cp battlegrounds. Rebuffs alone would be ridiculous... defile, resistance debuff, dots, vulnerability, status effects.... come on man lol.

sorry but was texting a bit to fast, that was mean "survive" at start
and yes, healing ward isnt trully burst heal but iths mag sorc only instant high heal

and no, did you seen those recaps on sorc recap? 3x sloads at once and ofc there was other any dots and damage which was on shield and not displayed on recap so if you know how pvp look you should know in situation like this whcih we had in recap there was no way to spam casting over 1 sec healing which also dont heal you into full health from below 50% on pvp

and optionally hot will be able to outher 3x sload...but that will be needed few HoTs ad single are really weak especially on non cp but in situation like this from recap you should know hot whont help because:

3 palyers on you, mostly you have no chance to do anythin else than shieldstack for survive, then on normla damage yes, you normally can survive
but here w have problem, where sorc have problem to stay alive at 3 attackers sjust spamming shields where is time to use altlest 1 HoT? which also can be on other swapbar, jsut 1 second not recasting shields and you have no shields agains few attacker and you are melted if you was not lucky and not spammed streak to LoS but even it is insanely hard whiel you have ticking few sload at once at you and other dots whiel probably beign spammed by any range abilities lie jsut light attacks to proc again sload

Hobestly i see no issue with sloads at all. In a 1v1 fights it can be negated. In a 1v2 still could be manageable. 1v3 you shouldn't be able to just shield stack and negate all damage. That's crap. Don't care what you think sorcs should and shouldn't be able to do. They have to have a counter. And needing 3 to 4 people to even get your shields down is not a counter. So sloads is the counter to shield stacking and honestly it's about damn time. Sick of the sorcs stacking massive shields and nightblades cloaking everything. Sload it up. Hope everyone uses it.

Hutch679

Mureel wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

yes even 4 players you can survive if you know what to do and/or youa re builded for situations like this, atlest normal good player is able to ruveve short time and run away on sorc but you see what you see....no HoT are goona save you and sorcs dont have any good burst heal than healing ward for whcih also need to wait 6 seconds before heal after cast

Healing ward isnt really a burst heal though... It's a shield that heals you over time (after 6 seconds). Not sure what "able to revuve short time and run" means. A HoT with a burst heal like dark conversion WILL save you. Ive never seen a player in battlegrounds survive 4 people beating on them except for MAYBE a tank that is built to permablock and deal 0 damage, 0 healing. Played over 600 battleground matches. As an auditor (professional expertise in coming to a conclusion based on evidence), I believe observation of 600 matches played is a fair amount of evidence to reasonably state you cannot survive 4 players all beating on you and survive in no cp battlegrounds. Rebuffs alone would be ridiculous... defile, resistance debuff, dots, vulnerability, status effects.... come on man lol.

What about stupid bird that is now better than breath of life? I don't run pets or see the need, but maybe you do.

Might need to run twilight or some sort of heal. Combat prayer maybe? Dunno. But for the longest time I've thought it was BS sorcs can just stack 2 shields and a healing ward and 've 1vX invincible... glad sloads counters that crap.

Ankael07

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

Since when facing 3 enemies is a death sentence? Are we even playing the same game? In no-cp I've killed 5-6 enemies with a debuff build that has 1600 spell power.

Hutch679

Ankael07 wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

mikegundy wrote: »

As a magsorc, what exactly is my counter to this?
Slot a 711 hps mutagen?
Use healing ward, oh wait it goes through that.





It's insane to me that you can have 36k health in Zaan, Knightslayer, and Sloads and still do insane amounts of dmg with no counterplay. These free dmg sets(sloads, zaan, valkyn, duroks, etc.) need to be looked at immediately.

The first death recap you have 3 enemies on you, in non cp... You really expect to survive no matter what they are wearing? Lol... the second recap honestly you need something for healing. I assume you're running 3 shields? That's a BS defense that should be nerfed anyway. I guess this is the counter to shield stacking, as there should be a counter.

Since when facing 3 enemies is a death sentence? Are we even playing the same game? In no-cp I've killed 5-6 enemies with a debuff build that has 1600 spell power.

I can get 3 friends to 3v1 you in a no CP environment and I guarentee you will not kill any of use or live through the damage. 5 to 6 enemies against you? I bet we drop you in 3 seconds. You're killing scrubs if your 1v6ing people dude. Duroks build eh? So what do you do when 6 people are fighting you and one is running a duroks build and the others are all in tanky healing/damage builds with proc sets meta builds? Get outta here with that "I 1v6 people all the time" crap. You 1v6 people who have no clue what they are doing.