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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »I don't know why the hell people still try to pretend that animation cancelling is like advanced physics or something. It's two button presses every 1 second. You don't need to be a super human to do it.
10 more years and people will complain they need to use limbs to play video game.5 -
Aebaradath✭✭✭✭✭
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You literally rephrased what I wrote... Except for your last "sentence."PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
They dont want to "fix it" because they dont consider this as bug but as legitimate game mechanic. Sonner You'll also better for You..2 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.6 -
olesmo✭✭✭animation canceling has been here since the launch of the game. and its what has kept me in ESO all these years.
the fact that combat requires you to react fast and cancel your animations with dodgerolls/block in pvp to get clutch plays off in outnumbered situation.
if zos at any time in the past had removed animation canceling, they would have killed the game for anyone who wanted some sort of skill involved in their gameplay.0 -
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✭Seriously, if you want crappy slow combat where you can only cast one skill at a time and moving causes your dps potential to tank... just go play a caster in WoW.
Oh, and even WoW has animation cancelling between cast time and instant cast skills.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭To all the people who want animation cancel to cancel the skill entirely:
Most. Skills. In. ESO. Are. Instant. And again. INSTANT.
They are applied and take effect instantly after the button is released and happen before the animation finishes anyway. So saying that this is an easy rework is a complete lie. Such a system would require every single skill to have a cast time equal to the animation duration. And all the skills will have to apply at the end of the animation. So this is a pretty darn big rework that will require a lot of rebalancing.
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✭✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
You literally rephrased what I wrote... Except for your last "sentence."PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
They dont want to "fix it" because they dont consider this as bug but as legitimate game mechanic. Sonner You'll also better for You..
Nope. I added reasoning behind calling it legitimate game mechanic.1 -
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That's literally what rephrasing means.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
You literally rephrased what I wrote... Except for your last "sentence."PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
They dont want to "fix it" because they dont consider this as bug but as legitimate game mechanic. Sonner You'll also better for You..
Nope. I added reasoning behind calling it legitimate game mechanic.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Yeah, bloody AC cheaters.
They press skill>la before the animation has finished, this really gets under my skin.
Or even worse the press skill>weapon swap, I mean come on this isnt fair at all...
One time I was fighting someone in Cyrodiil and he pressed skill>block so I didnt see the entire animation of his skill, pff gets me so mad! I lost that fight but not because of my skill but because he was obviously cheating.
Could everyone just stop cheating and wait for the entire animation to finish before doing something like light attack, weapon swap or block.
I hope you can tell I am being sarcastic, this is such a pointless discussion led by people with zero understanding of the combat mechanics.
@Septimus_Magna
1. it is the skill that cuts off the animation of the light attack, no the other way around. Block cuts off the animation of a skill.
2. No skill fires off if the required time has not elapsedTelvanniWizard wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »It´s a glitch. Should be fixed.
@TelvanniWizard How does something a glitch when the devs have publicly stated is an official part of the game.
It is not gaming the system. It is merely animations are longer than the time required for the skill. Nothing more and perfectly legit.
It´s a glitch. Devs said that not to be bothered fixing it.
@TelvanniWizard
Saying it is a glitch does not make it so. Further, the devs stated they liked it and it was not an official part of the game.
We know why it exists, as do the devs. It is an easy fix as the devs know well. They just realize it is good for the game both defensively and offensively.
So to falsely state it is a glitch does not offer anything to the conversation.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
Edited by Juhasow on May 28, 2018 3:43PM2 -
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✭Glad it’s here either you learn the skill or you have to be happy with less dps.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
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✭Now that I’ve had a chance to recover from 36 hours of being on my feet and actually have the energy to face this thread, let’s get a few things straight:
Animation Cancelling (for DPS Purposes): the process of using the game’s ability priority system to cancel the recovery animation of an instant skill (usually by pressing block or bar swap once the damage is calculated). Skill animations are slightly longer than the global cool down (we’re talking milliseconds here), so this process will permit players to activate their next skill as soon as the GCD expires. Please note: animation cancelling (1) CANNOT bypass the GCD, and (2) is hardly EVER used by good damage dealers on every skill. Most skilled damage dealers barswap cancel a particularly clunky animation (e.g. caltrops, sorc’s volatile familiar) at the END of one bar’s rotation, resulting in only 1-2 cancelled animations per full rotation. Block cancelling every skill is more trouble than it’s worth, and barely has an impact on overall DPS, so hardly anyone does it.
Weaving: the process of using a light or heavy attack (usually light) between each skill. Class/weapon abilities take priority over light attacks, so it is possible to cancel the recovery animation of the light attack if a skill is activated IMMEDIATELY after activating a light attack; however, it is NOT necessary to cancel light attack animations in order to weave. If you can weave light/heavy attacks quickly without cancelling the recovery animations of said light/heavy attacks you will STILL do good DPS if you have a good rotation and good gear. Cancelling the animations of light/heavy attacks will only result in a slight DPS increase during longer dungeon boss/trial fights, because again, you CANNOT BYPASS THE GCD WITH ANIMATION CANCELLING.
Now, read this next sentence carefully: your inability/refusal to cancel animations is not the reason why you only do 10-15k DPS, and it is not the reason why you are getting kicked from groups. DPS in this game is predicated first and foremost on your rotation, how WELL you can execute your rotation, your ability to weave, your gear, and the potions you use. You need to PRACTICE to get good at doing DPS, and you need to SPEND MONEY on golding out your weapons/gear and crafting potions. If you rock into a vet trial on your Nord magicka Templar in a mix of blue/purple off-meta gear, pressing skills at random, and using trash potions, animation cancelling on top of that will not instantly take you from 10-15k DPS to 35-40k DPS.
End. Of. Story.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
Not a strong build at 23k dps I assume you are attempting to demonstrate that light attacks alone do not make a build, that good skills need to be used.
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭Animation Cancelling started out as a bug in the graphics engine that ZOS had no idea how to fix as the people that wrote the engine had since left ZOS.
In short, there is no way of removing it from the game without a complete overhaul of the engine, and at this stage, its such a built in feature of the game that the decision was taken to endorse it and embrace it rather than doing anything about it.Xbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 20151 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
Edited by Linaleah on May 28, 2018 4:10PMdirty worthless casual.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »Animation Cancelling started out as a bug in the graphics engine that ZOS had no idea how to fix as the people that wrote the engine had since left ZOS.
In short, there is no way of removing it from the game without a complete overhaul of the engine, and at this stage, its such a built in feature of the game that the decision was taken to endorse it and embrace it rather than doing anything about it.
It was not a bug in the graphics engine. It was merely that animations are longer than the require time for skills to fire and that we need to be able to actively block regardless of the how long it has been since we told the game to use a skill.
As a result, if the time required by the game to use a skill had passed the skill still fires and if that required time had not passed it did not fire.
It is really that simple.
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all.
This set can be obtained from normal mode which is childlishly easy and everyone can do it with zone chat pug group. I have similar parse on mag character with 26k on 25M dummy but there I was spamming 1 skill also.I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
Not a strong build at 23k dps I assume you are attempting to demonstrate that light attacks alone do not make a build, that good skills need to be used.
You missed the point entirely. I am attempting to show that it's possible to do enough DPS for every vet HM dungeon and vet trial in the game just with clicking 1 button. Just add ultimate on top of that and execute spam under 25% and it would be 30k+ (35k+ group buffed) , which is enough for some hard mode trials.Edited by Juhasow on May 28, 2018 4:22PM1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all.
This set can be obtained from normal mode which is childlishly easy and everyone can do it. I have similar parse on mag character with 26k on 25M dummy but there I was spamming 1 skill also.I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
Not a strong build at 23k dps I assume you are attempting to demonstrate that light attacks alone do not make a build, that good skills need to be used.
You missed the point entirely. I am attempting to show that it's possible to do enough DPS for every vet HM dungeon and vet trial in the game just with clicking 1 button.
sigh. no. its not childishly easy to obtain. because pugging last boss can still be an issue and groups that burn through it don't like to take players with issues. and then there is a whole matter of getting the right thing to drop in a first place - and sure you don't have to do the last boss to get some drops, but the point. still. stands.
no one in a pug is going to trade you their drops. so.. it will take a great number of running the place just to get your 5 piece, which you then will have to transmute and upgrade. which you may or may not have to constantly look for pugs for.
sure you can find a guild. how many casual guilds spam farming runs exactly?
most players are going to start with some combination of world drops/crafted gear/ and/or possibly dungeon sets. for most players getting that much is going to be an undertaking of its own. which they have to do before they are ready to venture anywhere near vet dungeons/trials where they could get that lovely little 2 pc monster set. yes, its fungal grotto 1, but that's still a fair bit of farming just to get there, meanwhile everyone looks at your side ways for not performing, despite you needing to get all these upgrades to perform. and yes, good, experienced players with great reflexes can compensate enough for it. but there rest of us? are in that catch -22 situation that painfully reminds me of job hiring practices.... "need experience to get a job, cannot get experience without getting a job first."
so... is it possible to do good dps with just one button? TECHNICALLY. realistically though?
I looked at my self buffed stats incidentally. my weapon damage is significantly lower then yours. as is my weapon critical. so whatever it is that you are wearing and NOT just a set that according to what i hear is pretty brokenly OP right now (and given that it does 8k on ITS OWN in your pars? I'm kinda believing that).... is contributing to that base damage.Edited by Linaleah on May 28, 2018 4:31PMdirty worthless casual.
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
All sets on this parse are easily obtainable in the game and setup was totally far away from minmaxed for light attack spam. You can zone chat pug normal Cloudrest right now and in few weeks from now noone will be going there anymore because everyone will have everything. Just join ANY social guild and You have completing of normal Cloudrest guaranteed same as it was with normal Asylum. If You're somehow unable to do it there are replacements for relequen that will keep Your DPS still above 20k it's not like this set is mandatory to prove my point. With proper CP distribution and sets+traits selection I could get around 3k more DPS. All major buffs visible on this parse are from potion easily obtainable for everyone. I used 2 non dmg abilities every 20 seconds but in group I wouldnt have to since same buff/debuff it was providing is guaranteed in group.
Pure light attacking drains no resources from You so I dont know what You're talking about here. In this parse "rotation" I was always at 100% stamina.
If I would add ultimate and under 25% execute spam to this rotation it would be 30k+ on 6M dummy selfbuffed (more when group buffed) which is enough for every vet HM dungeon and every vet trial with HM included in some of them. With "rotation" that requires 3 healthy brain cells. This proves excatly what I wanted to prove. You can get enough DPS go through vet content in this game without not only touching animation cancelling but any fancy rotations at all.Edited by Juhasow on May 28, 2018 4:48PM3 -
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✭Anyone else find this seizure looking dumb irritating stuff wrecks the game? I do.
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
Did you watch my video? My gear (VMA staff aside) is very easy to acquire. I haven't cheesed anything; the only skill on my bar that isn't usually there is Elemental Susceptibility (healers run the magicka-steal version of that skill, and most healers worth their salt use it on bosses and trash mobs). I'm using the Apprentice mundus. I didn't land every single light attack. I accidentally threw in an extra skill in my first rotation. I screwed up my execute phase, because my stupid Storm Atronach was in the way, I guess? 33.5k self-buffed, despite all those errors. You can complete ANY content in the game with 33.5k DPS.
So yes, weaving has to happen. But you don't have to be PERFECT to do decent DPS. Again, very few guilds out there want 40k+ DPS self-buffed.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
All sets on this parse are easily obtainable in the game and setup was totally far away from minmaxed for light attack spam. With proper CP distribution and sets+traits selection I could get around 3k more DPS. All major buffs visible on this parse are from potion easily obtainable for everyone. I used 2 non dmg abilities every 20 seconds but in group I wouldnt have to since same buff/debuff it was providing is guaranteed in group.
Pure light attacking drains no resources from You so I dont know what You're talking about here. In this parse "rotation" I was always at 100% stamina.
If I would add ultimate and under 25% execute spam to this rotation it would be 30k+ on 6M dummy selfbuffed (more when group buffed) which is enough for every vet HM dungeon and every vet trial with HM included in some of them. With "rotation" that requires 3 healthy brain cells. This proves excatly what I wanted to prove. You can get enough DPS go through vet content in this game without not only touching animation cancelling but any fancy rotations at all.
I don't think your easy is the same as most people's easy.
Relequen requires a trials group you can consistently farm with and given that you have a full set already? means you have farmed a fair bit, OR are insanely lucky. so we get to the pot usage. with 100% uptime. which requires either very good timing, or a LOT of consistent use of pots. this is not just light attack spam.
you are also apparently using poisons unless i'm misreading. which last I tried them - run out pretty quickly and require constant re crafting or buying.
I cannot tell which set you are using outside of relequen, or whether you have set weapons or something else, but given that weapon damage and crit? I would love to know exactly what is it that you are using. because while some of that comes from a potion... not all of it.
basically, what i'm saying is... no, normal person cannot just get this by light attack spam. you need a rotation. with weaving. or it doesn't work. otherwise? EVERYONE WOULD BE DOING THIS. the fact that people are still sticking to rotations even to do 30k dps? full rotations, not just light attack/execute. is kinda the point. except these rotations are so. damn. easy. to mess up.
and it has NOTHING to do with 3 brain cells, and everything to do with your reflexes, your ability to develop muscle memory (which doesn't require active thinking) your latency, all these fun things that other games compensate for but ESO wants you to deal with completely manually. which is great if you are the kind of player who prefers it. not so great for the rest of us.
in any case, your so called point. in order to get to the point where you can just "spam light attacks" you have to have ready, consistent acess to trials. and in order to have that acess, you NEED to be able to do that dps via proper rotation before you get to the point of having a set up where you can get away with not doing proper rotation. catch 22.Edited by Linaleah on May 28, 2018 5:06PMdirty worthless casual.
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DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭Please keep in mind that in order to effectively animation cancel you have to have a good connection, a good PC or "improved" console like the ps4 pro.
A lot of people, myself included, are simply too lagged to effectively pull off AC. When I'm in my house fighting a practice dummy, I can do it no problem. Stick my into vMA or a group dungeon and heaven forbid a PvP environment and my ability to AC goes flying right out the window.
Not because I'm an unskilled player, but because with lag, the bugs in this game and skills/attacks sometimes not firing, it's just not possible.
It's here to stay now though until they lose a good 40-60% of their population and change the game drastically to draw players back in. Until then though we're stuck with it and even then, they don't seem to be competent enough to figure out a decent way to fix it or it would have been done when they initially tried.1 -
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✭stop calling it "animation cancel", you don't get anything from it. It's called "light attack weave". You simply add that 2-3k dps between your abilities, and making a light attack (which has its own animation) overwrites the ability's animation.
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✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
Its possible to do the normal trial and get the gear without any kind of weaving or AC by just using crafted gear. In fact its most likely possible even with that 12k DPS u are mentioning by just doing light attacks. So you can get the gear in the parse. Which isnt even needed cause you can do enough DPS and complete the majority of the content with basic gear and little to no weaving.
We understand that you cant weave/AC. Thats perfectly understandable, there is nothing wrong with it and thats why you can complete the majority of content without doing it. However you should also try to understand that you cant just make the hardest content achievable by people who cant even press two buttons every second cause that would be so casual to the point where browser games are more challenging.
And most importantly if you understood the mechanics of the game and how combat works which you should if you want to be able to do hard content, you would know that removing weaving/AC would require a mass overhaul of the entire combat system cause it has been balanced with weaving/AC in mind.1 -
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✭in any case, your so called point. in order to get to the point where you can just "spam light attacks" you have to have ready, consistent acess to trials. and in order to have that acess, you NEED to be able to do that dps via proper rotation before you get to the point of having a set up where you can get away with not doing proper rotation. catch 22.
No.
If you want to do light attack spam for whatever reason, you can use Relequen and some thing like Storm master. So let´s see... first of all you need to level up. Really, you should be able to do that, given that it is impossible *not* to level up to max if you just play the game, unless you consistently delete all your characters.
Second, the storm master set is from tempest island which is perfectly runnable again and again. If all else fails, queue as tank with max health regeneration on everything and spam nothing but taunt.
For arms of relequen, you need the normal Cloudrest trial. I have done this trial time and time again with quite bad DPS; using fortified brass, alttabbing half the time to read forum posts, etc etc. Because for normal farming, you just have to be non-braindead and have a clue about mechanics. Noone really cares about your DPS. You dont have to pass a test to get in a group.
Trust me.
If this absolutely fails, craft Morkuldin or something.
Or use heavy attack spam with DK and Sunderflame / Sergeant´s mail. You should be able to do 80% of the content in the game with this and your left mouse button taped down.
P.S. I have literally done every vet dungeon in the game without gold gear, BiS gear or anything near consistent rotation. Stop beating this dead horse, it has turned into rotting mincemeat and you are stinking up the place.Edited by MaleAmazon on May 28, 2018 5:29PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all.
This set can be obtained from normal mode which is childlishly easy and everyone can do it. I have similar parse on mag character with 26k on 25M dummy but there I was spamming 1 skill also.I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
Not a strong build at 23k dps I assume you are attempting to demonstrate that light attacks alone do not make a build, that good skills need to be used.
You missed the point entirely. I am attempting to show that it's possible to do enough DPS for every vet HM dungeon and vet trial in the game just with clicking 1 button.
sigh. no. its not childishly easy to obtain. because pugging last boss can still be an issue and groups that burn through it don't like to take players with issues. and then there is a whole matter of getting the right thing to drop in a first place - and sure you don't have to do the last boss to get some drops, but the point. still. stands.
no one in a pug is going to trade you their drops. so.. it will take a great number of running the place just to get your 5 piece, which you then will have to transmute and upgrade. which you may or may not have to constantly look for pugs for.
sure you can find a guild. how many casual guilds spam farming runs exactly?
most players are going to start with some combination of world drops/crafted gear/ and/or possibly dungeon sets. for most players getting that much is going to be an undertaking of its own. which they have to do before they are ready to venture anywhere near vet dungeons/trials where they could get that lovely little 2 pc monster set. yes, its fungal grotto 1, but that's still a fair bit of farming just to get there, meanwhile everyone looks at your side ways for not performing, despite you needing to get all these upgrades to perform. and yes, good, experienced players with great reflexes can compensate enough for it. but there rest of us? are in that catch -22 situation that painfully reminds me of job hiring practices.... "need experience to get a job, cannot get experience without getting a job first."
so... is it possible to do good dps with just one button? TECHNICALLY. realistically though?
I looked at my self buffed stats incidentally. my weapon damage is significantly lower then yours. as is my weapon critical. so whatever it is that you are wearing and NOT just a set that according to what i hear is pretty brokenly OP right now (and given that it does 8k on ITS OWN in your pars? I'm kinda believing that).... is contributing to that base damage.
Sigh. Are we even playing same game ? Yes it is childlishly easy to obtain and becoming more and more childlishly easy with every additional day. On official release date more then half on the PC servers community that attempted to do it will have it done multiple times. At the start of july only super slackers will still do it for drop. There is 4 bosses there so You're getting 4 items every run+occasionaly 1 weekly chest per character. Whole trial lasts like 30 minutes or less so You can run like 10 runs per day with average players teams. pretty high chance to collect what You want.
Again are we playing the same game ? Or You're playing in some toxic enviroment between complettly rude people ? It's common practice that in pug runs people share their items if they dont need them. Longer the update will last more people wont need certain items they got so higher chance for You to get this iotems from them. Just install Loot Log add-on and You'll get item pieces You want in 1 week.
How many social casual guilds thatspamming for normal Cloudrest runs I know ? Seriously are we playing the same game ?!
Come on right now You can get setup that will make You ready for dungeons purely from crafted sets or some super cheap dropped ones. Lets not pretend farming monster sets in non DLC dungeons is some kind of challenge. Again JUST FIND SOME SOCIAL GUILD and done. Idk there was some nintendo release in the meantime and community there is so rude to not help others in PvE ?...
It's possible technically and realisticly. Ofc in real fight You'll have to engage 2 times more brain cells but I still think current state of evolution allows everyone to use more then 6 of them.
It means You looked at Your selfbuffed parses on mag character and Your weapon dmg and crit are lower there ?
I used flawless dawnbreaker and 1 more fighters guild ability on front bar plus since I was always on front bar and used weapon attack my berserker enchantment uptime is very high 80%. This are kinda regular crit and weapon dmg values You would get.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am actually so tired of this.
Just made a video: 33.5k self-buffed, with MINIMAL animation cancelling AND MULTIPLE MISTAKES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XDE7TLRoc
I am a magsorc wearing EASILY ACQUIRABLE GEAR (VMA staff aside, but you can hit the same numbers by double-barring Mechanical Acuity). I screwed up multiple times. I did not animation cancel every skill. Every light attack did not go off.
Practice your rotations and stop blaming animation cancelling for your inability to do adequate DPS.
30k self-buffed is enough for any content in this game. Only a tiny fraction of competitive leader board trial guilds want you to do 40k+ self-buffed.
Wanna see something more funny ? Pure light attack spam selfbuffed.
so just under 12k. because 8k of that damage is a new set that is not accessible to most players who have trouble with dps, you know being a trial set and all. in fact.. looking at your very minmaxed stats, and what exactly are you getting all the major buffs from? gear? that damage would be lower for a player not wearing your gear. by a few k at least.
but you shouldn't be just light attacking you say. yeah. you shouldn't be. but with changes to sustain you have to use basic attacks, whether light or heavy, or you run out of resources very quickly.
so weaving is something that has to happen. and weaving slower = slower dps. your light attack spam doesn't prove what you think it proves.
Its possible to do the normal trial and get the gear without any kind of weaving or AC by just using crafted gear. In fact its most likely possible even with that 12k DPS u are mentioning by just doing light attacks. So you can get the gear in the parse. Which isnt even needed cause you can do enough DPS and complete the majority of the content with basic gear and little to no weaving.
We understand that you cant weave/AC. Thats perfectly understandable, there is nothing wrong with it and thats why you can complete the majority of content without doing it. However you should also try to understand that you cant just make the hardest content achievable by people who cant even press two buttons every second cause that would be so casual to the point where browser games are more challenging.
And most importantly if you understood the mechanics of the game and how combat works which you should if you want to be able to do hard content, you would know that removing weaving/AC would require a mass overhaul of the entire combat system cause it has been balanced with weaving/AC in mind.
I know I can do basic game content without weaving. I'm doing it, up to and including soloing some of the content marked as 2+ (or 4 plus in case of some of the regular 4 man dungeons)
the thing is... weaving didn;t used to be required anywhere near this degree. before morrowind overhaul of the sustain, you could do pretty decent rotation with zero weaving just by using your class/weapon/guild/whatever skills. now you HAVE to weave, and zos only keeps doubling down on it. which.. ok, normal solo content is still doable, but anything else is getting more and more out of reach. and they don't even need to overhaul the game much, just roll back the sustain changes and all that came with it.
I understand how mechanics of the game work. instead of basic attacks being baked into combat - this game requires you to do every. little. thing. manually. which is likely why some people love it. I get it. but its also what is creating this skill rift and will keep widening it. weaving is a huge part of it.
you know what is difficult? finding a guild that will keep bringing your 12k dps along over and over. a whole guild of 12k dps people is going to struggle and most likely not run trials content all that often.
its still a catch 22.
but at least story content is still tuned lightly enough that someone like me can do it. unless of course "make it harder!" contingent gets their way (and i get it, becasue of this severe gap, story content is not fun for them either). as it is... DLC dungeons are basically out of my reach. and so are DLC trials on any sort of consistent basis. but hey, I'm only a dirty casual, git gud and all that.
I'm going to leave this thread now, before I get so bitter that i'll start losing enjoyments in parts of the game I still enjoy when I tell myself to stop thinking about all the parts of the game that are out of my reach... parts of the game that I used to be able to participate in other games that made more of an effort to minimize the gap between top and and bottom end players and everyone in between.dirty worthless casual.
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MaleAmazon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm going to leave this thread now, before I get so bitter that i'll start losing enjoyments in parts of the game I still enjoy when I tell myself to stop thinking about all the parts of the game that are out of my reach... parts of the game that I used to be able to participate in other games that made more of an effort to minimize the gap between top and and bottom end players and everyone in between.
Sigh.
Note to those who care; I am pretty sure (since I very rarely light attack weave) that you can literally do ANY content in the game, including pulling your weight in PvP, with a heavy attack weave which is extremely simple to do, if you gear for it. If you don´t get to play veteran trials without weaving, play as a tank.
People who think that light attack weaving is somehow a requirement to play this game on vet, are simply deluded. Plain and simple.
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