As always, beholden to tradition, I will vote for universal access without being required to ask other players for their permission to sell my stuff in an efficient manner.

srfrogg23 wrote: »

As always, beholden to tradition, I will vote for universal access without being required to ask other players for their permission to sell my stuff in an efficient manner.

I could not agree more. This might have been a great concept with a hundred thousand players, but, with over a million? It completely cuts off the majority of players from ever being able to sell their wares. Just on a fun test, I joined a new guild (had a couple of dead ones) that is very ambitious! In a week, they have managed to get close to 100 players, and started gathering dues. But, the test will be to see how long it takes before they even get a trader to begin with, let alone a decent one where people might actually be able to sell stuff.

And, please, stop saying people can just use an add-on... there are a great many players on console, who cannot use add-ons (and not sure why, especially for Xbox, since we can use mods/add-ons for Fallout 4 and Skyrim)

zaria wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

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Pulled donkey for the win.
If you compare ESO and WOW, WOW has hundreds of servers, ESO has 6, yes ESO has fewer active players I say 1/3-1/4 of WOW, but this still give loads more players on each server.

What does that have to do with anything? GW2 is a megaserver with a central AH and it works just fine.

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Yes, please.

Cryptical wrote: »

Really should stop using the word ‘auction’ since there won’t be any bidding.

Call it something more accurate, public trader.

Okay, yeah, actual auction systems would be pretty cool. Probably not for ESO, but, still.

idk wrote: »

I do not think anyone forgot. These threads just do not last long unless nothing else is really going on in the forums. Few really want desire a trading system like WoW has. lol

We really need a 'disagree' button... Just because half of the forum posters (who are the ones generally most into the game) are against it, does not mean that few (check that almost every poll ends in roughly 50/50) desire it. When, in actuality, most casual gamers are very supportive of a centralized universal AH, but, also, casual gamers are usually not forum posters. So, your 50% that agrees with you, is actually the vast minority. Your comment, let me fix it to be true:

"Few really disagree with having a trading system like WoW has."

There, better.

jssriot wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

When, in actuality, most casual gamers are very supportive of a centralized universal AH, but, also, casual gamers are usually not forum posters. .

When in actuality, you can't really speak for people who aren't here and therefore have not made their preferences known to the forum. Nice try.

In that case, neither can anyone else, which renders all polls completely worthless, as they are not representative of the whole in any way, shape, or form. I assume basic things that have proven true in ... oh... EVERY single MMO in existence: the vast majority of casuals do NOT post on forums; casuals are almost always in favor of QoL improvements that make the little time they DO spend in a game more enjoyable. Then, look at who votes pro-AH, and check back on the things they post and comment on, and see that the majority of them are casuals, but they are the ones into the game enough to post on forums. Check the posts made by those against, and you will see they tend to almost always be the ones who are more hardcore.

As we know from every other MMO that casuals make up about 80% of the populace, if not more, and combine all of that above, and we can see that I have a very good chance of being spot on... while the other person isn't even correct based on the FORUM POLLS. So, yeah, until you can prove me wrong somehow, my statements continue to be completely plausible, not provable, but, at least I am trying to add credence to my comments, which adds worth to polls.

Your belief is that polls are absolutely worthless, since we don't have the entirety of the population on the forum to be represented, instead, we have a heavily skewed sample. It's like trying to find the average wealth of society in the USA by polling only the 1%. Oh, btw, I did that poll recently (but for ESO: go check the Account Finances post) and found that if the population of the game was represented fairly on HERE, then just about EVERY person is filthy rich, and a few are broke. But, I know from talking to people in game, that just about everyone is under 100K, and a FEW are wealthy. Completely opposite what the forum would have us believe. See, I did the poll here, and in game, asking random people... Most of the game hates the Trader system, and also, most people quit the game, come back, quit, come back... and one of the major reasons is the stupid Guild Trader system.

But, then, I expect that those who love it probably only hang around with others who love it, sort of like how the 1% tends to not hobnob with the lower parts of society. But, that does not mean that those others do not exist. The vast majority of the players in this game really dislike the system. ESO has had over 8 million unique accounts, and only has 1 million players. Reasons? Because casuals only get so far, then quit, because the grind at the end of a couple of weeks becomes a cliff, and the only ways forward include such fun things, like, a horrible guild trader system.

I've been part of several guilds, for years. Only one has a trader. It has had the SAME trader... for over 3 years. There is no competition. When I look at the other major traders in every major hotspot city, I see the exact same guilds own them. The other guilds I am part of? They collect dues, they try, the bid, they always lose. Because even if they get a few million to bid, the other guilds are bidding over 10 times that... they have hundreds of millions on each character. How to beat that? By the time the smaller guild earns enough to even think of competing, the bigger guild has only compounded their worth exponentially, making that gap even larger.

For casuals, this means they cannot sell their items for more than a basic vendor will buy them for, which also means they will never have enough to really ever be 'end-game'. Please, tell me, convince me, that there are casuals in a large amount that supports this system, and why. Because, they don't, I've talked to them, I group with them nightly. And, over the last 3 years, I have seen them come and go, to other games and MMOs, always trying to find one better than ESO, but the GOOD things here keep pulling them back, and the bad things? Those are things they complain about every night... cursing them. This system is THE prime one.

idk wrote: »

What can be substantiated is the guild trader system has proven to give the ESO community a vibrant economy that has done very well.

Really? Cool, please, provide proof of this... because all I have seen is a clear representation of what happens when you allow monopolies: a few with tons of money, and a majority that are pretty much completely broke. That's not "vibrant", that's abusive.

Nah, they should just fix the search options and it will be fine.

If ZOS really needs to make something new, it's a system that automatically permabans players bringing up this topic in the forum. Everything has been said, this discussion needs no continuation.

What about hybrid system. You can be hard core trader in traders guild with lots of trading slots or you can sell by “independent” merchant - just few slots and with 30-50% sales tax. Sale tax would be dependent on number of sold items by that trader (more items - higher tax).

DuskMarine wrote: »

we do not need a central auction house well never need one quit trying to add one. the cons overload the pros and just destroy games entire economy as no one will sell on it cause theres no point and the ones who would have bought everything for cheap and are selling for over 500% the original price. so no this would kill the game keep it out

Kill the game yet WoW has had it for the past 14 years, FF14 8 years, Swtor 7 years, GW 2 6 years, NW 5 years, Lotro 11 years

I'm sorry but the whole argument of a centralized market that kills games is wrong