A central auction house?

Easily_Lost

Guild trader system

CorrosiveNatsu wrote: »

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You have a guild bank, but in most guild banks I have seen, it becomes a place to drop items that don't make much money, and so its almost more of a spam holder.
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The stuff I sell is my guild traders are the more expensive items ( most > 400 gold ), many over 1000g.

One addon that I use to sell my 'cheaper' items is Nirn Auction House ( http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1768-NirnAuctionHouse.html ). It does work. I know that console players don't have access to it.

DuskMarine

Guild trader system

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

we do not need a central auction house well never need one quit trying to add one. the cons overload the pros and just destroy games entire economy as no one will sell on it cause theres no point and the ones who would have bought everything for cheap and are selling for over 500% the original price. so no this would kill the game keep it out

Kill the game yet WoW has had it for the past 14 years, FF14 8 years, Swtor 7 years, GW 2 6 years, NW 5 years, Lotro 11 years

I'm sorry but the whole argument of a centralized market that kills games is wrong

who actually uses it?? barely anybody except guys that corner the market. this happens youll never be able to get your hands on endgame mats cause the higher levels with money in the 10s of millions will buy it all up and sell it back to you for 500% of the price. so yes it will kill this aspect of the game and make a economy weve spent years developing completely worthless because casuals are to scared to join a trading guild.

And that's why those games have more players right?

may have more players but their auction house doesnt reflect it cause they all raid and have forsaken it. itll kill our economy(which in turn will kill the game for alot cause theres alot more merchants than raiders)

Tamrik

Central auction house

Although I love the guild trader system and it's a great feature that you don't see in other main stream mmo's, there is a problem with it as it stands at the moment.

The issue I have overall is that in order for guild traders to be worthwhile the guilds have to have enough members to contribute towards the ever increasing cost of having a trader in a prime location which in turn hurts casual players who only sell occasionally, as with a lot of the large guilds now you must sell a min amount each week or donate X amount weekly in order to stay in that guild. There are a few guilds that don't do this but ultimately they will struggle to compete and offer a good enough guild for players to use to trade through.

I totally understand why they have these things in place but for casual players it can be a bit much being almost forced to work in hand in order to be part of a certain community, which is a shame.

If there was a central system this issue would disappear but also create a system where guilds don't really have anything to offer. It's a difficult one in the long term really. I just think the system needs to be tweaked a bit to make it a good system for all playing and not just people who play all the time.


So I'm on the fence, I've gone for central but I do live the guild trader system and want it to stay but with some changes. Oh and also finally build in a search function so we don't have to rely on addons

Grendel_at_ESO

Central auction house

Don't need auctions just a central way to search all the guild traders, there should also be a way for individuals to be able to sell things as well. The way it is now is ridiculous, I rarely even buy stuff because I don't feel like porting all over the place and spend hours shopping. If I really want something I'll just go to two or three places with lots of traders in one location and buy it there if I can find it which kind of screws those that have traders in out of the way locations.

Cryptical

Central auction house

I’m on console. I’ve been playing over 2.5 years. I don’t think the pc people that over-represent on this forum actually grasp how much more they have than the base game.

I remember when combat damage numbers didn’t exist. To figure out our dps, we got a couple friends to come with us into spindleclutch to be a tank and a healer while we solo killed bloodspawn. Dps was measured in time - “I killed bloodspawn in 35 seconds”.

I remember when text chat didn’t exist. To sell something you either joined a trading guild or you wandered the map speaking into the microphone “tempers for sale, got 4 tempers for sale, come to the khajiit on the horse.” And not everyone had a working mic, so things were communicated with jump “oh, I see you Buyer, you want tempers?” (Jump) “how many?” (Jump jump jump) “ok” (open trade window). “Tempers for sale, got one temper left for sale, khajiit on the horse has a temper for sale”

The seller’s pitch disappeared the instant they stopped talking so if you were afk you had no idea someone was selling something you wanted, and their voice didn’t stretch even as far as from vulkel wayshrine to vulkel crafting stations - less than one town let alone a whole zone.

Text chat didn’t actually solve these problems. It stretched the reach of the pitch, and made it so afk people could see the pitch, but the barrier of actually needing to be present in order to make the sale is still there. Meaning, the great majority of the playerbase is still looking at the merchant as the main source of income.

And that’s why a trader cart that everyone can use to list items is such a good idea for the rate of participation. Like in a game of musical chairs, 10% of the people occupy all of the available membership slots in trade guilds leaving 90% with the burden of those barriers or using the merchant option.

There are many technical details that can be hashed out. Like, a trader cart in each city that all goes to the same store, just like bankers in each city all go to the same bank space. That would keep players from bunching up in one zone. Also, a limit of maybe 5 items listed instead of 30 would cut waaaaay down on the search results, but with multiplying the number of sellers by 10 we would still see a massive increase in the raw size of the marketplace.

DamenAJ

I abstained from voting because I'm on the fence.

I would love the convenience of not having to pop all around the world looking for the things I want, but...

Like others have mentioned, the guild traders sap huge amounts of gold from the economy. If you've played games like WoW, You'll know that inflation is pretty insane. The only way to combat the crazy inflation, would be to put a MUCH bigger AH tax. Do you want to lose 25-50% of your gold to have a centralized auction house?

Abelon

Central auction house

DamenAJ wrote: »

Do you want to lose 25-50% of your gold to have a centralized auction house?

If in turn I don't have to lose 50% of my game time on mindless item searching? Yes, yes I do.

Just give us a way to search all the items for all the traders. No need to have the exact same auction as in other games.

usmguy1234

Central auction house

Please this. Tired of guilds exploiting small players for the right to sell items. I don't have time for hustling items over chat or guilds that treat me like their personal piggy bank.

Mureel

Guild trader system

What's that smell?

Oh, is that a dead and beaten horse over there? Why yes, I think it is!

Tommy_The_Gun

Other

Keep the current system and add a central "trading" system to be an alternative to WTS / WTB xyz zone spam. Make it to work similar to steam market - you post an item, you sell it or you can just browse for what item you are interested.
Of course - this would need to have some limitation like number of items you can sell / buy per week so the current NPC vendor system would remain relevant.

Lunatic_Dizzy

Central auction house

I say go for it! Would love to see more people trying to sell those Hollowjack motifs for a stupid price. Why you want 10k for that? Well let me just un-knot my coin purse...

Rawkan

Central auction house

51% voting guild traders, seems like about the amount of people that control the market. Checks out.

jedtb16_ESO

Guild trader system

the thing about the current system... you have to participate for it to work for you. if you don't participate it won't work for you, funny that.

the ui does need some work.

Cpt_Teemo

Central auction house

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

the thing about the current system... you have to participate for it to work for you. if you don't participate it won't work for you, funny that.

the ui does need some work.

Really, hours beyond hours of completely nothing but searching and zone loading is "Participating" ? lol.

idk

Guild trader system

Avalon wrote: »

idk wrote: »

What can be substantiated is the guild trader system has proven to give the ESO community a vibrant economy that has done very well.

Really? Cool, please, provide proof of this... because all I have seen is a clear representation of what happens when you allow monopolies: a few with tons of money, and a majority that are pretty much completely broke. That's not "vibrant", that's abusive.

The proof is in the game. It is clear as day. If it was not vibrant then it would have been changed long ago. OMG, one has to be blinded by wanting the silly old stale central trading kiosk that WoW had.

Considering this thread is wanting change it is upon you to actually prove otherwise and you cannot.

Cpt_Teemo

Central auction house

idk wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

idk wrote: »

What can be substantiated is the guild trader system has proven to give the ESO community a vibrant economy that has done very well.

Really? Cool, please, provide proof of this... because all I have seen is a clear representation of what happens when you allow monopolies: a few with tons of money, and a majority that are pretty much completely broke. That's not "vibrant", that's abusive.

The proof is in the game. It is clear as day. If it was not vibrant then it would have been changed long ago. OMG, one has to be blinded by wanting the silly old stale central trading kiosk that WoW had. OMG.

Not Had, still has. Along with many other games that have many more players than ESO has atm

jedtb16_ESO

Guild trader system

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

the thing about the current system... you have to participate for it to work for you. if you don't participate it won't work for you, funny that.

the ui does need some work.

Really, hours beyond hours of completely nothing but searching and zone loading is "Participating" ? lol.

i suspect you deliberately miss the point to foist your own agenda.

anyway, didn't you quit to play lotro.... screen shots and all as i recall.

Cpt_Teemo

Central auction house

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

the thing about the current system... you have to participate for it to work for you. if you don't participate it won't work for you, funny that.

the ui does need some work.

Really, hours beyond hours of completely nothing but searching and zone loading is "Participating" ? lol.

i suspect you deliberately miss the point to foist your own agenda.

anyway, didn't you quit to play lotro.... screen shots and all as i recall.

I actually came back for SI to try it out so yeah my fault there, but we all have our criticism against the horribly installed market system in this game

Kyra

Central auction house

Definetly a centralized kiosk.
The guild trader system may have been intended good but as with all things, human nature has turned it into a puddle of mud over time.
You have big cartels/conglomerates -whatever you want to call them- that pool their resources to buy dummy traders, push others out of the market etc. And the same guilds start complaining if another guild "snipes their spot".

And for the "would ruin prices" thing - there was an analysis on data gathered via MM in the last days.
3! accounts were responsible for 25% of the sales last week. The whole doomsday scenario of ruined pricing by a few people has already happened.

Imo, just be done with it - stop trying to be unique just for uniqueness sake - and accept that the fact that the vast majority of major mmos use a centralized system for a reason.

notimetocare

None of the above

Bad poll. Dead horse. No system, force manual trading!

Tabbycat

Central auction house

They should just add in some pawnbrokers where people in any city can go to to sell their stuff if they aren't affiliated with a trade guild. Make it so the pawnbrokers take a little bit more off the top when stuff is sold so players are still encouraged to use guild traders, if necessary.

Locking players out of one of the major economic systems in the game is a horrible way to treat your customers. And I say this even though at least one of my guilds I'm in has a guild trader more times then not.

I don't understand how ZOS thought this was a good idea to begin with.

kaiage

Guild trader system

Maybe a central auction house with more guilds contributing to the sales, but a higher tariff?

Gargath

Guild trader system

The guild trader system in eso is pretty unique and well designed thanks to ZOS. The stronger and active guilds with wise guild leaders, who know how to manage, win the best places. Leave it be, don't change what is good to something what would definitely kill the spirit of trading.

Raideen

Central auction house

ESO does not want the masses to make lots of gold. The more gold people make the less crown store purchases are made.

We see this when bosses drop 3 gold.
We see this when you have 30 white armor/weapons in your inventory worth zero gold.
We see this when crafting even 9 trait armor yields little over the material cost (crafting does not make money, mats do).

A central auction house makes the most sense. It would allow (as it does in other much more proven and profitable games than ESO) for ALL players to have access to selling goods. It would lower the price of goods to be more reasonable. There is absolutely no downside for the mass player base to have a central auction house. The only downside is to the people who currently run the system.

swirve

Central auction house

Guild trader system is a cancer in this game...

Avalon

Central auction house

idk wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

idk wrote: »

What can be substantiated is the guild trader system has proven to give the ESO community a vibrant economy that has done very well.

Really? Cool, please, provide proof of this... because all I have seen is a clear representation of what happens when you allow monopolies: a few with tons of money, and a majority that are pretty much completely broke. That's not "vibrant", that's abusive.

The proof is in the game. It is clear as day. If it was not vibrant then it would have been changed long ago. OMG, one has to be blinded by wanting the silly old stale central trading kiosk that WoW had.

Considering this thread is wanting change it is upon you to actually prove otherwise and you cannot.

So, your defense against why it should change, is that it has not changed? You do realize that is probably the weakest argument that can be made. Nothing ever changes... until it does. And tons of systems in games and in the real world needed changed, and wow, I am so glad that your argument did not work for them, otherwise, NOTHING would ever change. There is no vibrant economy in the game, there are a few people with all of the wealth, and a vast majority who are paupers (relatively speaking). That's not vibrant, that's a club of the elite who only see themselves, and ignore the rest of the players' wants and needs. The reason this does not ever change, is because it would require a MASSIVE overhaul in the game, and that means ZOS would actually have to do something substantial... which they will never do.

Cryptical

Central auction house

A public trader that anyone can list things in will reduce the amount of gold in circulation because of the increased number of people paying listing fees and trader taxes. How?

Right now, less than 10% of the people are paying listing fees. With a public trader that number rises to 100%, or whatever number is max participation. Thus, more listing fees paid.

Right now, taxes are paid on listings, but the listings are for things that the top 10% have decided are profitable enough to merit selling. In other words, bigger ticket items, because they only have 30 listing slots and want to maximize the efficiency. With a public trader, plenty of people will be listing the things that are profitable but with tiny margins, thus more taxes paid.

Radiance

Central auction house

I'm all for it but the comments arguing it would be "less time consuming" is the exact reason they wont do it... There is a common theme here with things like RNG and Gold travel,outfit,traing etc Taxes that are for the sole purpose of Time Consumption. The more time spent on the repetitive and mundane in game, the longer a subscription lasts, it even tricks people with more money than time into buying things they could get in game if they had countless hours to do it ... It is all by design.

kaiage

Guild trader system

I disagree with AP. If your time was valuable you wouldn't be spending it in a Digital World

jk i just wanted to link that.

DaveMoeDee

Other

When my guilds have prime location, guild system. When they don't, anything else.