Would you support earning Crown Items with Gold-to-Crown conversion?

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

Feanor wrote: »

CS items for Gold are a botter‘s dream come true.

Blizzard seems to be on the upper hand of things on there cash to in game shop, but Swtor on the other hand just failed miserably.

Gilvoth · May 2018

sylviermoone wrote: »

Interestingly, ZOS has already made a ruling on a similar case. A few years ago, people would donate items like game time cards, base game codes and rare pet codes to Guild Leaders for use as auction items and/or raffle prizes. ZOS decided this practice was against TOS, and sent warning mails and even handed out temporary bans for some. Some less scrupulous GM's would report other GM'S for this a day or so before bids closed as a way to grief them, since a banned GM wouldn't be able to log on and ensure that their guild got a kiosk that week. This was back when most GM's dropped their full bid for the week in the seconds before bids closed in order to not get bid-spied.

Anyway, ZOS's reasoning for disallowing this was that this practice is technically gold selling. When you exchange an item that has real world monetary value for in game currency, you are participating in an act of gold selling and violating TOS according to their own interpretation of the TOS.

I do think that for clarity's sake, ZOS should officially announce that they view crown item-to-gold trades in this light, as gold selling and a violation of TOS. If they do not, they should remove the restriction that would cause a GM to get a warning or temp ban for auctioning or raffling crown store items. Either way, it is incredibly important that ZOS is consistent in how it interprets its own TOS.

*edit: punctuation

folks, this quote here really is the answer, @sylviermoone really well done on the explanation and it seems this would infact get you banned if you do it.

we will just have to wait for another way to earn ingame gold easily for those of us who live perminanty in cryodiil.
i just hope one day we could sell crown store items for gold as that would make life a whole lot easier for us pvp only players.
but right now it does look like it was not intended and might get you a ban if attempt it.

so, be wise, and don't do it.

Nyladreas · May 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

So many people here are innocent and naive.

This 100% inevitability will result in gold for crowns trade whether your innocent mind likes it or not.

If you can get crates through someone else for gold, you will.

Of course it will.

The question under debate is whether or not ZOS will legitimize it and thus minimize the risk or let it happen "at your own risk" with little to no recourse against scammers.

I realise that. I was responding to people refusing the idea of people doing this "illegally" regardless.

It sure would be nice if ZoS created its own wow token but I have my doubts.

I can already see several websites popping up where people will be able to trade with or without being scammed in massive numbers if they don't step in.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any input or insight?

N0TPLAYER2 · May 2018

I don’t think zos cares either way. Here’s why.

If you buy a crown store item to sell for gold - they still made the money on crowns.

If you give someone gold to buy you a crown shop item - they still make money on crowns.

It’s a win win for them. They’re basically the gold sellers them selves now.

Knowledge · May 2018

Violynne wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

What you're failing to account for is that these systems have been implemented in hundreds of games and the result is always people gifting for gold with some people using it as intended.

What you're failing to account for is no one is going to care about this.

There is no monetary gain here, so as far as ZoS is concerned, they're not going to do anything about "scams". BOTH parties would be responsible for taking part, so there can be no victim with this.

For the rest of us, we see a player and want to offer up a gift, we'll send them, they'll accept it and return a "thank you", and the system works as intended.

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

DeadlyPhoenix · May 2018

As long as the players are not able to set the value of the crowns in gold. Meaning I don't want to pay 100k gold for 10 crowns or 10million gold for 1k crowns.

If there is a set conversion rate, maybe.

Violynne · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

ZoS is giving a GIFTING service. You use it. Send gift. Service done.

Anything above and beyond this baseline service will not be supported by ZoS.

If any player willfully (key here, Knowledge... pay attention!) engages in the practice of swapping gold for Crowns (if they're even available and not just items in the store) means they're abusing the system.

Quiz time!

What makes more sense:
ZoS actively engages in situations where gifts didn't get to their intended destination due to a bug

-OR-

ZoS looks at two people who are abusing their service and offers them help in it.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but it's clear I do have a bit more common sense than others.

Iselin · May 2018

Violynne wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

ZoS is giving a GIFTING service. You use it. Send gift. Service done.

Anything above and beyond this baseline service will not be supported by ZoS.

If any player willfully (key here, Knowledge... pay attention!) engages in the practice of swapping gold for Crowns (if they're even available and not just items in the store) means they're abusing the system.

Quiz time!

What makes more sense:
ZoS actively engages in situations where gifts didn't get to their intended destination due to a bug

-OR-

ZoS looks at two people who are abusing their service and offers them help in it.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but it's clear I do have a bit more common sense than others.

Quiz time: what happens when A LOT of players start complaining that their gift for gold deal was a scam?

Answer: They give in to "public pressure" and make crowns for gold an officially supported thing (like they always meant to) because "the players asked for it™" And that's how the officially sanctioned gold sales in ESO begin.

Beardimus · May 2018

Iselin wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

ZoS is giving a GIFTING service. You use it. Send gift. Service done.

Anything above and beyond this baseline service will not be supported by ZoS.

If any player willfully (key here, Knowledge... pay attention!) engages in the practice of swapping gold for Crowns (if they're even available and not just items in the store) means they're abusing the system.

Quiz time!

What makes more sense:
ZoS actively engages in situations where gifts didn't get to their intended destination due to a bug

-OR-

ZoS looks at two people who are abusing their service and offers them help in it.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but it's clear I do have a bit more common sense than others.

Quiz time: what happens when A LOT of players start complaining that their gift for gold deal was a scam?

Answer: They give in to "public pressure" and make crowns for gold an officially supported thing (like they always meant to) because "the players asked for it™" And that's how the officially sanctioned gold sales in ESO begin.

If I were them id say it's against the TOS, we dont support it so STFU and Ignore them.

If they moan real loud turn off gifting.

If legit gifters get upset and moan real loud say you'll turn it back but people got to realise its on you if you swap a gift for gold.as they dont support it..

Done.

I get people want this, for personal gain, but it just will not be good for the game.

Iselin · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

ZoS is giving a GIFTING service. You use it. Send gift. Service done.

Anything above and beyond this baseline service will not be supported by ZoS.

If any player willfully (key here, Knowledge... pay attention!) engages in the practice of swapping gold for Crowns (if they're even available and not just items in the store) means they're abusing the system.

Quiz time!

What makes more sense:
ZoS actively engages in situations where gifts didn't get to their intended destination due to a bug

-OR-

ZoS looks at two people who are abusing their service and offers them help in it.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but it's clear I do have a bit more common sense than others.

Quiz time: what happens when A LOT of players start complaining that their gift for gold deal was a scam?

Answer: They give in to "public pressure" and make crowns for gold an officially supported thing (like they always meant to) because "the players asked for it™" And that's how the officially sanctioned gold sales in ESO begin.

If I were them id say it's against the TOS, we dont support it so STFU and Ignore them.

If they moan real loud turn off gifting.

If legit gifters get upset and moan real loud say you'll turn it back but people got to realise its on you if you swap a gift for gold.as they dont support it..

Done.

I get people want this, for personal gain, but it just will not be good for the game.

Define "good for the game" and tell me if you include loot crate exclusives in that definition.

Knowledge · May 2018

Violynne wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

ZeniMax never made any statement regarding what you said. Can you please show me information stating they "they're not going to do anything about scams" as you've stated. Perhaps you have more information than we do.

ZoS is giving a GIFTING service. You use it. Send gift. Service done.

Anything above and beyond this baseline service will not be supported by ZoS.

If any player willfully (key here, Knowledge... pay attention!) engages in the practice of swapping gold for Crowns (if they're even available and not just items in the store) means they're abusing the system.

Quiz time!

What makes more sense:
ZoS actively engages in situations where gifts didn't get to their intended destination due to a bug

-OR-

ZoS looks at two people who are abusing their service and offers them help in it.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but it's clear I do have a bit more common sense than others.

You're making statements on behalf of ZeniMax that have not been confirmed by actual employees.

ArcVelarian · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

In Guild Wars 2 you can buy Gems for gold and sell Gems for gold. With the advent of the "gifting system" this is going to happen anyway without an official system or any clarification on whether or not it's allowed.

Since it's going to be hard for ZOS to police gifts-for-gold perhaps they should implement a full blown conversion system similar to GW2.

Please comment below with your thoughts. Would you be for this system and if so how would you implement it?

This just reeks of Pay-To-Win.

ak_pvp · May 2018

Please no to officialized gold selling. The threat of scams and losing IRL money will deter cash sellers, if you want to, you always can take the risk, but its on you. I would even make it an unenforced rule, so no one can complain.

Now, more like the title, if we could turn gold to crowns straight up, something like 5mil = 1000 crowns, a harsh, but useful gold sink.

Greevir · May 2018

I can't wait to pay 20,000 gold for a single spell power pot!

Knowledge · May 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Please no to officialized gold selling. The threat of scams and losing IRL money will deter cash sellers, if you want to, you always can take the risk, but its on you. I would even make it an unenforced rule, so no one can complain.

Now, more like the title, if we could turn gold to crowns straight up, something like 5mil = 1000 crowns, a harsh, but useful gold sink.

You will see that it will be more rampant than you think.

ku5h · May 2018

Bots aside, with the wealth disparity among the game population even worse then in RL, that alone would ruin the system.
Introducing something like transmutation gems currency which you can only refine 100 a day per char and which would take you roughly an horu of actual play to acqure.
Only thing to consider would be refined gems to crown ratio. Personally i would go 1/1.
So, similar concept to STO and it also severely limits botting.

Stewart1874 · May 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

I'm all for it. Too much content is locked behind a paywall.

Heaven forbid you have to pay crowns for DLC.

Feels like you're trying to make a dig, although I can't quite grasp why? 99% of outfits in this game you need to spend real money on which is farce and totally takes away from any sense of achievement from completing challenging content. Instead of offering meaningful rewards which would increase replayability of dungeons - for example mount drops in dungeons, they instead lock it up behind a paywall and despite being an ESO+ sub only those who are willing to give ZOS more than the £120 a year they already get can access it.

Heaven forbid ZOS think about consumers .

(And before you give me the capitist *** 'ZOS won't work for free' nonsense, they already get £120 a year from most players, plus initial purchase, plus Morrowind, plus Summerset and plus occasional crown purchases. There is no justification for the sheer volume of content which is locked behind a paywall and if ZOS can't make a profit on the aforementioned revenue streams then they should just *** stop)

Knowledge · May 2018

Greevir wrote: »

I can't wait to pay 20,000 gold for a single spell power pot!

I don't see how that would be even remotely accurate.

SpartanWolf149 · May 2018

I feel like ZENI does their prices so weird that they'd need to rework the entire crown store in order to give a crown a solid and definitive coin value.

starkerealm · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, then it leads to higher equilibrium price and higher quantity.
If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, then it leads to lower equilibrium price and lower quantity.
If supply increases and demand remains unchanged, then it leads to lower equilibrium price and higher quantity.
If supply decreases and demand remains unchanged, then it leads to higher equilibrium price and lower quantity.

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