Is 30K dps enough for endgame trial raids?

Jaimeh · March 2018

Yes

There are some fights with DPS checks where if things don't burn fast enough there is a group-wide wipe mechanic. Barring those, I would take a group with mediocre DPS, but knowledgable of mechanics, good positioning, quick to ressurect others/react in emergencies, over players with high DPS who all over the place, any day.

salsahavok · March 2018

Asardes wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

has eso really become this linear? have 30k dps and you're good. kinda sad. but then again, that's why I really don't pay much attention on this game already.

It's always been like that. Every MMO is like that.

If you want more dynamic gameplay, play DLC dungeons. They have a lot more going on than just "stack and burn" since it's only 4 players.

Some of those are harder than Craglorn trials. I still haven't managed to complete vBF HM on my tank w/o healer assistance, though I'm working on a solution for that

@Asardes Have a look at my video I am a dark elf tank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXo_xKmCwO0

Asardes · March 2018

Yes

That comment was pretty old. I don't even play tank lately. But before I gave it a rest for something more interesting, I did revise my build for superior magicka sustain and I could complete it if I tried simply spamming GDB. The no healer setup I have is 5 Armor of the Seducer 5 Akaviri Dragonguard 1 Choklethorn 1 Shadowrend. With ~2K magicka recovery an 8% cost reduction I can sustain very well.

Olupajmibanan · March 2018

Depends

30k solo on a 3m skelly (without any external debuffs/buffs) is ok for vet trials in Craglorn and vAs. It's not ideal for vMoL, but doable and it is certainly not enough for vHoF.

Ajitator · March 2018

Depends

100% Depends on your support characters and how well that person with 30k dps knows the mechanics.. A person hitting a dummy for 40-50k dps can end up pulling 0k dps if they're on their backs the whole time because they don't know the mechanics,.. Like wise if tanks or heals are not on point you will spend more time on your back therefore do less damage.

If you can reach 30k DPS try and get into a guild that will help push that number higher while taking you along with some of the easier trials.

we ask for 35k+ for our craglorns but we're usually running hard modes and our support characters all know the fights back to front.

DLC/Harder Trials are 45k+ unless in full buff sets or something similar. Below that and you really stretch what your support characters need to do in each fight.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

Yes

Anything over 20k is good enough for normal trials. 30-35k or higher is good for veteran trials.

Kumbiya · March 2018

Depends

It depends.. 30k is enough for vet craglorn trials, maybe their HMs, but isn't enough for any end game content outside of that in my opinion (at least if you are trying to be competitive and aren't just trying to clear). It's not a bad start to be sure, but i wouldn't bring a DPS that can only push 30k to a group pushing score or progression.

Kumbiya · March 2018

Depends

Nighn_9 wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you don’t cheese a NB 45k the only people left running won’t even look at you.

But 20k+ is good enough.

This one regrets to inform you that 20k is not good enough for VAA HM, VHRC HM, VMOL, VHOF, VAS+1, and VAS+2.

There are normal versions of every trial and 20k dps is enough for those. Goodluck new raiders! (get the hint?)

Normal trials aren't end game

Somber97866 · March 2018

Yes

35k mag and 40k stam is the " atleast " for endgame content?

Runefang · March 2018

Yes

Somber97866 wrote: »

35k mag and 40k stam is the " atleast " for endgame content?

Nah, on a dummy without cheese 35k is fine. Definitely not 'at least'.

240k group dps on Rakkahat is basically all what need on vMoL for example, ignoring 2 runners that means 40k x 6 dps. That should be achievable, 35k on a dummy should translate to more than 40k in a boss fight generally.

kerp · March 2018

Heh got 20k on world bosses (soloed most of them) but never tried a trial with my petsorc. Maybe I should try it, but first will finish vMA and nDSA (the last round is a bit of hell, my sorc just shoots the boss too fast and a lot of minibosses spawned around, last time the boss has about 50k but some mage killed me)

Don't have rotation at all, only elemental blockade and ward, two pets and inner light, on the second bar ele Susceptibility which I cast in the beginning. Ward at max, ele blockade and familiar on 100%, plus 5xnecro, 4xspinners and grothgar grant me about 20k on world bosses

Mister_DMC · March 2018

Don't die, if no one dies every fight is easy.

xaraan · April 2018

Yes

Yes, 30K dps is solid for vTrials, even HMs. However most groups will want more b/c being able to burn bosses through and/or between mechanics makes everything easier.

But, IMO what's even more important isn't that you can pull 30K on a skele, but if you can keep that 30k up in a crazy trial situation where you are defending, rezzing, dodging red, etc. then it's a lot more solid. Nothing is worse than seeing someone brag about a 40-50k skele parse and then watching them lay on the ground through half a run.

monktoasty · April 2018

Yes

30k is fine or in the very least should be fine..it's the players who are indignant at others for not being on their l33t level

All in all if the game is designed to exclude so many players..they need to redesign the trials so more people can play.

I can't get a group or into a group for months and it's really becoming discouraging.

End of story.

JooPi · April 2018

Depends

Depends on where you Pull 30k.
Dummy solo or fully group buffed?

There can be very high difference
For example I get to about 35k on a dummy with my stamplar, without any support.
An vAA a few days ago I got over 50k with exactly the same Setup...

If you hit 30 solo, you should hit 35-40 in a raid.
Should be enough if you don't die ^^

DeadlyRecluse · April 2018

Depends

It's probably high enough to get on a progression team or get picked up by a guild (who will help you get into the big numbers).

Somber97866 · May 2018

Yes

I have since progressed to some end ge content. Done all craglorn HM and now Vas. Have progressed to twins in Vmol and played some of Vhof. Im gonna say no to 30k dps. Maybe one or two in group but 35k seems to be magic number and for good reason ( this is in reference to console).

Mureel · May 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

30k solo on a 3m skelly (without any external debuffs/buffs) is ok for vet trials in Craglorn and vAs. It's not ideal for vMoL, but doable and it is certainly not enough for vHoF.

OMG many MANY of us were clearing VMOL before most people could even hit 30k and really not 35k. Please don't propagate misinformation!

When we cleared VHOF, group avg was 30ish k (guild required was 25k - or maybe even 20! but I think 25, it was long ago) - so again. Misinformation.