Snipe rarely hits hard half the time they just smack you with a 4k snipe the dmg comes from the fact they can 40% defile you from range and poison inject will just RIP you in half

Snipe is fine. I spam snipe all the time.

Masel92 wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

fierackas wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Or just leave it as it is.

this, bored with pvp ruining stuff for pve

Wait what? There is absolutely NO endgame pve build that utilizes snipe. If you’re using snipe in pve you're a scrub, period.

https://youtu.be/DIAjxtt-JL4


Ya I'm a total scrub. Stop generalising things just because you don't know better.

Nice dps, first real bow build I've seen reach those kinds of numbers. But I have to say, that might be one of the most uncomfortable looking rotations I've ever seen imo...

New poll: Remove this poll or put a stop to this kind of poll.

ak_pvp wrote: »

Yeah, it can be done and I know you love your off meta builds, but would it be worth it over a stamina melee build or a magicka ranged one? Probs not, and would a normal spammable be better, probably.

Bow build indeed some buffs. But does a normal spammable be better ? Probably not as much as we can think.
In fact, crushing weapons, the new non-weapon and non-class dependent spammable, which does similar damage than force pulse, is behind snipe. The synergy with bow passive is lower (no long shot, no hawk eye), the overall dps is lower, and the dps without the bow passive is still just a little lower. Snipe is stronger than a force pulse equivalent, and except if we consider that force pulse is a bad spammable we can say that snipe isn't a bad one. The problem with snipe is the cast time along with the auto-snare, which make it bad in some fight where mobility is heavily needed ; and in this case, crushing is better.
Removing the cast time of snipe while tweaking damage and cost in order to keep the exact same dps would help bow, and snipe would in this case be a little better than crushing weapons in every situations where the 15% heal isn't needed. Still, bow build would need an another buff, one who gives it more dps.

RoyJade wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Yeah, it can be done and I know you love your off meta builds, but would it be worth it over a stamina melee build or a magicka ranged one? Probs not, and would a normal spammable be better, probably.

Bow build indeed some buffs. But does a normal spammable be better ? Probably not as much as we can think.
In fact, crushing weapons, the new non-weapon and non-class dependent spammable, which does similar damage than force pulse, is behind snipe. The synergy with bow passive is lower (no long shot, no hawk eye), the overall dps is lower, and the dps without the bow passive is still just a little lower. Snipe is stronger than a force pulse equivalent, and except if we consider that force pulse is a bad spammable we can say that snipe isn't a bad one. The problem with snipe is the cast time along with the auto-snare, which make it bad in some fight where mobility is heavily needed ; and in this case, crushing is better.
Removing the cast time of snipe while tweaking damage and cost in order to keep the exact same dps would help bow, and snipe would in this case be a little better than crushing weapons in every situations where the 15% heal isn't needed. Still, bow build would need an another buff, one who gives it more dps.

While having one morph of snipe as instant cast would be nice, it would just be awkward way to fix PVE bow. There is spammable in cutting dive on warden and with new crushing weapon on every other class too. These spammables are regular spammables comparable to any other (dunno, force pulse, strife, shrouded dagger or even surprise attack to some degree). The passives are what needs fixing. Changing bow skills now just to put every useful thing on them, just because the passives are limited to bow is not the right way to do it
Hopefully Zenimax will notice one day that bow needs passives that boost the other sources of damage too (caltrops, crushing, cutting dive, sub assault, wild guardian, relentless focus, potl, ...). Currently it takes both hawk eye and long shot to put bow abilities on same level as DW builds. And there is no way to come close in DPS when half of abilities (the nonbow ones) used deal 30% less damage.

SodanTok wrote: »

While having one morph of snipe as instant cast would be nice, it would just be awkward way to fix PVE bow. There is spammable in cutting dive on warden and with new crushing weapon on every other class too. These spammables are regular spammables comparable to any other (dunno, force pulse, strife, shrouded dagger or even surprise attack to some degree). The passives are what needs fixing. Changing bow skills now just to put every useful thing on them, just because the passives are limited to bow is not the right way to do it
Hopefully Zenimax will notice one day that bow needs passives that boost the other sources of damage too (caltrops, crushing, cutting dive, sub assault, wild guardian, relentless focus, potl, ...). Currently it takes both hawk eye and long shot to put bow abilities on same level as DW builds. And there is no way to come close in DPS when half of abilities (the nonbow ones) used deal 30% less damage.

Totally agreed.
I'll even go further : bow skill should become less appealing as a pve back bar (giving DW or 2H better option on backbar, and/or boosting calltrops, and perhaps tweaking poison injection and endless to be less overall powerful but as/more powerful as now on a bow build). Bow passives should boost every ranged skills as long as a bow is on the actual bar. Bow should have better synergy with itself and give it to other ranged skills used along bow ones. And finally, scatter shot should become more appealing as a medium ranged spammable.
The goal is multiple :
- giving DW/DW, DW/2H and 2/2H more strength without nerfing the actual stamina dps
- boosting bow/bow build in order to be a fully long-ranged or mid-ranged possibility, with a good use of class skill for at least five different bow setups (one per class) ; warden would be better at mid range (shalk) and good at long (dive), sorc better at mid (hurricane), NB good at long (grim focus), templar at long (PotL) and DK just correct at mid (FoO)
- giving bow/DW and bow/2H a reason to have bow in main bar, and 2H/DW for dots
At the end, close range should be slightly higher in term of constant dps, mid-range would be close, and long range would be either specialized (weaker at close range but as strong as long range than close range build) or weaker but still competitive and able to go to melee.

I'm fine with the way Snipe is supposed to work in PvP. The only thing that annoys me about it is that the channel time is never as advertised. It's always longer. Sometimes your target has time to become a grandparent and move to another continent before your snipe eventually fails to shoot and your character is released from that dramatic aiming pose.

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

I'm fine with the way Snipe is supposed to work in PvP. The only thing that annoys me about it is that the channel time is never as advertised. It's always longer. Sometimes your target has time to become a grandparent and move to another continent before your snipe eventually fails to shoot and your character is released from that dramatic aiming pose.

I see at least some on here have actually used snipe in combat.

I don't think the skill is the real problem.
I'm sure every average player in Cyrodiil would react, if he gets hit by one snipe. But most of the times you are just dead, apparently hitten by 3-4 snipes at the same time.

That's the problem!

fierackas wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Or just leave it as it is.

this, bored with pvp ruining stuff for pve

If you look at the third option it would be a buff for PvE smh

Sun7dance wrote: »

I don't think the skill is the real problem.
I'm sure every average player in Cyrodiil would react, if he gets hit by one snipe. But most of the times you are just dead, apparently hitten by 3-4 snipes at the same time.

That's the problem!

It's also very toxic to play against in open world because a player is just pressing 1 button hiding behind a group of players hitting you with 7k damage and defile. 1v1 the skill is bad GvG the skill is bad Xv1 the skill is amazing.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sun7dance wrote: »

I don't think the skill is the real problem.
I'm sure every average player in Cyrodiil would react, if he gets hit by one snipe. But most of the times you are just dead, apparently hitten by 3-4 snipes at the same time.

That's the problem!

It's also very toxic to play against in open world because a player is just pressing 1 button hiding behind a group of players hitting you with 7k damage and defile. 1v1 the skill is bad GvG the skill is bad Xv1 the skill is amazing.

1v1 it's not bad either

I've won a few duels using it (I don't gank on stamina)

Sevn wrote: »

Another option, remove elitist and meta-heads from the game instead.

Sorry you don't understand. Basically regardless of what you say the current form of snipe is pretty unhealthy in PvP and isn't the best in PvE either. Option 3 would buff it in PvE and remove the cancer from PvP

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