Give us a reason to keep paying you, Zenimax

Lynx7386 · May 2018

I've been gaming for over 20 years and I've seen the cancer of greed completely destroy this industry.

We've gone from an era of gaming where microtransactions were unheard of to one where you're hard pressed to find a game without them.

We've gone from having game developers actively engaged in communication with their players and genuinely caring about the experience to companies that package and sell junk while labelling it gold, shut down anyone saying anything negative about it, and lying to your face when you call them out on these practices.

This *** has to stop, and the sooner the white knights stop defending those who are blatantly taking advantage of them, the sooner that cancer will wither and fade. I doubt it will ever happen, though, because too many of these people are all too happy to bend over and get reamed while saying thank you for it.

Customer service does not mean the customers serve you.

Walting · May 2018

ZoS does not care about bots, ignoring reports and still officials like @ZOS_GinaBruno and others claim ZOS would fight and ban bots. Not true, the problem becoms bigger and bigger each day. Therefor i skipped my eso+ early this year

xeNNNNN · May 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

From all my years of playing MMO's and seeing posts about "balance issues" what it really boils down to is "make my class OP"

Not really. ex: Sorc has implosion. A random proc chance which deals a lot of damage which does a huge chunk of your health in pvp and a spammable ranged execute that procs said passive along with 40% of the sorcs skills and weapon + enchants.

Nobody with a straight face can tell me that implosion is balanced at all.

Same goes for deep fissure and subterranean assault. Same with the root spams and all the other ridiculous stuns in this game. Hello nightblades.

Non of the classes in this game are truly balanced.

ZoS ignore wardens mostly, DKs are constantly getting random nerfs that make no sense, Sorcs are left untouched because they're afraid of upsetting the delicate flowers that main them that happen to be a large portion of the player base and then nightblades are just looked at weirdly and people ended up being like heh look at that a nightblade. Im not even going to touch 2 button templars. urgh.

This game is a mess balance wise and has nothing to do with most people wanting their main to be OP. Too many abilities with too little damage and multiple skill lines with 1 ability that does too much damage. The damage should be spread out across the classes respectively not bottled up into one place.

Let alone the fact that the game in PvP is now heavily based around stuns too the point where you ask yourself why you even bother using immo pots anymore. Its just stun/root spam + defile. Boring.

BozzyTheDrummer · May 2018

jerj6925 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The level of disconnection between your game directors, developers, community representatives, and customers is mind blowing. We hear one thing from wrobel, something entirely different from gina, and then stances do a complete 180 two weeks later. Does anyone actually know what the hell they're doing? Is there any infrastructure to your company, any quality control, any oversight?

We're sick of hearing you'll do this, or you'll do that, only to have it put off patch after patch after patch. Meanwhile, as your entire community is waiting for things to be set right after being told that's what was going to happen, all we see is more crown store releases trying to milk our wallets and distract from the real issues.

I've been holding out for well over a year now waiting for the base game changes we were told were coming to actually show up, and we've been misled once again. Give us a reason to believe you for once, because my patience has run out, I'm tired of paying for a broken product and as a customer I'm tired of being taken advantage of. Zenimax has lost all credibility and good faith from me, my subscription is done and you're not getting this customer back until something is done to warrant it.

Look at what Bungi got away with, I'm not saying Zenimax is as bad as bungi but people keep giving them money before hand so why would they? If the money dried up you bet they would change in a hart beat, but the player base is all about instant gratification and as long as they can log in and jump on the hampster wheel doing there dailys and the running the dungeons in the same way again and again... where is the incentive for Zenimax to dip in to the profits and keep things freash and fun?

Was searching the comments because to see if Bungo would be mentioned

Aebaradath · May 2018

Of course Bungie gets mentioned with Desticle and Density 2...

BozzyTheDrummer · May 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@SydneyGrey Glad to see you really contributing to this thread... oh wait nvm.

@Lynx7386 I'm absolutely heated & I'm trying to control it but man it just baffles me that people literally stick to ZOS white knighting them at every bit of outrage (rightfully so) directed at them. We were promised balance changes with 4.03 then boom we were told pretty much to F off while our feedback that we wasted our damn time creating is supposedly appreciated yet none of it was shown whatsoever.

This brings me back to my previous thread that I posted which featured me raging before the PTS came out. A lot of players stated something about Streamer X said this/that... They do fail to realize that streamers need access to further their careers on the gaming platform so when a streamer who visited ZOS stated "DKs are in a awesome spot" and stupidly spoke about changes to stonefist... yeah ofc I took that with a grain of salt.

I'm tired of the lack of transparency this game provides & I really wish a Destiny 2 style revolt would take place here, maybe when their damn bank is hurting they'll start to actually engage and communicate properly.

If there was a Destiny 2 style revolt, I just hope to god ZoS would listen to the player base, rather than ignore them like Bungo and keep pushing out crap like everything is just fine.

Rawkan · May 2018

Walting wrote: »

ZoS does not care about bots, ignoring reports and still officials like @ZOS_GinaBruno and others claim ZOS would fight and ban bots. Not true, the problem becoms bigger and bigger each day. Therefor i skipped my eso+ early this year

Bots are in every active MMO. People are buying gold/mats/gear for real money, so the bots will always exist. They make more than enough money to instantly buy new accounts every time they get banned.

Walting · May 2018

Rawkan wrote: »

Bots are in every active MMO. People are buying gold/mats/gear for real money, so the bots will always exist. They make more than enough money to instantly buy new accounts every time they get banned.

Sorry, you got me wrong here. It is not about bots in MMO's - i was talking about how ZOS is handling bots.

DuskMarine · May 2018

BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@SydneyGrey Glad to see you really contributing to this thread... oh wait nvm.

@Lynx7386 I'm absolutely heated & I'm trying to control it but man it just baffles me that people literally stick to ZOS white knighting them at every bit of outrage (rightfully so) directed at them. We were promised balance changes with 4.03 then boom we were told pretty much to F off while our feedback that we wasted our damn time creating is supposedly appreciated yet none of it was shown whatsoever.

This brings me back to my previous thread that I posted which featured me raging before the PTS came out. A lot of players stated something about Streamer X said this/that... They do fail to realize that streamers need access to further their careers on the gaming platform so when a streamer who visited ZOS stated "DKs are in a awesome spot" and stupidly spoke about changes to stonefist... yeah ofc I took that with a grain of salt.

I'm tired of the lack of transparency this game provides & I really wish a Destiny 2 style revolt would take place here, maybe when their damn bank is hurting they'll start to actually engage and communicate properly.

If there was a Destiny 2 style revolt, I just hope to god ZoS would listen to the player base, rather than ignore them like Bungo and keep pushing out crap like everything is just fine.

destiny 2 is just fine the main issue people were having mostly were people who played pvp in there way to much.

Pops_ND_Irish · May 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The level of disconnection between your game directors, developers, community representatives, and customers is mind blowing. We hear one thing from wrobel, something entirely different from gina, and then stances do a complete 180 two weeks later. Does anyone actually know what the hell they're doing? Is there any infrastructure to your company, any quality control, any oversight?

We're sick of hearing you'll do this, or you'll do that, only to have it put off patch after patch after patch. Meanwhile, as your entire community is waiting for things to be set right after being told that's what was going to happen, all we see is more crown store releases trying to milk our wallets and distract from the real issues.

I've been holding out for well over a year now waiting for the base game changes we were told were coming to actually show up, and we've been misled once again. Give us a reason to believe you for once, because my patience has run out, I'm tired of paying for a broken product and as a customer I'm tired of being taken advantage of. Zenimax has lost all credibility and good faith from me, my subscription is done and you're not getting this customer back until something is done to warrant it.

Reasons for paying: Craft Bag, new good content, excellent game play, etc
Or ya send your stuff ! Bye bye

Acharnor · May 2018

For playing a game since release and Beta I am pretty happy. This game improves constantly and looks like it will continue to into the future. I will admit they have me hooked into a sub with the crafting bag but this is a pretty cheap leisure activity which gives me a tonne of value per month so I don't begrudge it too much.

DuskMarine · May 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I've been gaming for over 20 years and I've seen the cancer of greed completely destroy this industry.

We've gone from an era of gaming where microtransactions were unheard of to one where you're hard pressed to find a game without them.

We've gone from having game developers actively engaged in communication with their players and genuinely caring about the experience to companies that package and sell junk while labelling it gold, shut down anyone saying anything negative about it, and lying to your face when you call them out on these practices.

This *** has to stop, and the sooner the white knights stop defending those who are blatantly taking advantage of them, the sooner that cancer will wither and fade. I doubt it will ever happen, though, because too many of these people are all too happy to bend over and get reamed while saying thank you for it.

Customer service does not mean the customers serve you.

zos is genuinely caring about its playerbase they actually care about what we say people just want the impossible to happen like balance changes that needs a while to be fixed and worked on. and ive been in the gaming world a bit longer than you have and what your comparing zos to is not what zos is which i know who your comparing them to which is EA. sorry but i have to whole heartly disagree with you on that. EA doesnt talk at all and just gives out what they want us to do not what we say is wrong. zos does the complete polar opposite which is why alot of us have no problem supporting them. ZOS yes may take time to fix or add things players are saying are broken or want added but they do eventually add them. people wanted housing and jewelry crafting from day one of eso guess what we have now housing and jewelry crafting is coming. peoples main gripe right now class balancing if you ask me in the current build of the game class balance is currently just fine. but zos has already confirmed that they are working on it as a whole its going to take a lot of testing to make sure nothing gets messed up so your looking at maybe another year worth of work to be done on that. you gotta give games time you cant expect them to be done super fast.

MaxwellC · May 2018

@Lynx7386
You know damn well white knights aren't going to stop trying to earn brownie points from the developers in hopes they'll be rewarded. They spew ridiculous nonsense & make statements like "It feels fine to me so stop complaining" as if that's a valid refute to ones discussion.

Edit: prime example right above my post.

DuskMarine · May 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Lynx7386
You know damn well white knights aren't going to stop trying to earn brownie points from the developers in hopes they'll be rewarded. They spew ridiculous nonsense & make statements like "It feels fine to me so stop complaining" as if that's a valid refute to ones discussion.

Edit: prime example right above my post.

some white knights see that games take time to make changes. look at destiny1 that game was trash when it first came out and after a few years the game was amazing. so you need to give a game time to get everything straight.

Lynx7386 · May 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I've been gaming for over 20 years and I've seen the cancer of greed completely destroy this industry.

We've gone from an era of gaming where microtransactions were unheard of to one where you're hard pressed to find a game without them.

We've gone from having game developers actively engaged in communication with their players and genuinely caring about the experience to companies that package and sell junk while labelling it gold, shut down anyone saying anything negative about it, and lying to your face when you call them out on these practices.

This *** has to stop, and the sooner the white knights stop defending those who are blatantly taking advantage of them, the sooner that cancer will wither and fade. I doubt it will ever happen, though, because too many of these people are all too happy to bend over and get reamed while saying thank you for it.

Customer service does not mean the customers serve you.

zos is genuinely caring about its playerbase they actually care about what we say people just want the impossible to happen like balance changes that needs a while to be fixed and worked on. and ive been in the gaming world a bit longer than you have and what your comparing zos to is not what zos is which i know who your comparing them to which is EA. sorry but i have to whole heartly disagree with you on that. EA doesnt talk at all and just gives out what they want us to do not what we say is wrong. zos does the complete polar opposite which is why alot of us have no problem supporting them. ZOS yes may take time to fix or add things players are saying are broken or want added but they do eventually add them. people wanted housing and jewelry crafting from day one of eso guess what we have now housing and jewelry crafting is coming. peoples main gripe right now class balancing if you ask me in the current build of the game class balance is currently just fine. but zos has already confirmed that they are working on it as a whole its going to take a lot of testing to make sure nothing gets messed up so your looking at maybe another year worth of work to be done on that. you gotta give games time you cant expect them to be done super fast.

You're naive. We've been told a dozen times between morrowind and now that class balance changes were going to be worked on. If any work had actually been done on that front, we would have it on the pts for summerset.

The problem here is people like yourself keep believing the lies zos is feeding you.

DuskMarine · May 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I've been gaming for over 20 years and I've seen the cancer of greed completely destroy this industry.

We've gone from an era of gaming where microtransactions were unheard of to one where you're hard pressed to find a game without them.

We've gone from having game developers actively engaged in communication with their players and genuinely caring about the experience to companies that package and sell junk while labelling it gold, shut down anyone saying anything negative about it, and lying to your face when you call them out on these practices.

This *** has to stop, and the sooner the white knights stop defending those who are blatantly taking advantage of them, the sooner that cancer will wither and fade. I doubt it will ever happen, though, because too many of these people are all too happy to bend over and get reamed while saying thank you for it.

Customer service does not mean the customers serve you.

zos is genuinely caring about its playerbase they actually care about what we say people just want the impossible to happen like balance changes that needs a while to be fixed and worked on. and ive been in the gaming world a bit longer than you have and what your comparing zos to is not what zos is which i know who your comparing them to which is EA. sorry but i have to whole heartly disagree with you on that. EA doesnt talk at all and just gives out what they want us to do not what we say is wrong. zos does the complete polar opposite which is why alot of us have no problem supporting them. ZOS yes may take time to fix or add things players are saying are broken or want added but they do eventually add them. people wanted housing and jewelry crafting from day one of eso guess what we have now housing and jewelry crafting is coming. peoples main gripe right now class balancing if you ask me in the current build of the game class balance is currently just fine. but zos has already confirmed that they are working on it as a whole its going to take a lot of testing to make sure nothing gets messed up so your looking at maybe another year worth of work to be done on that. you gotta give games time you cant expect them to be done super fast.

You're naive. We've been told a dozen times between morrowind and now that class balance changes were going to be worked on. If any work had actually been done on that front, we would have it on the pts for summerset.

The problem here is people like yourself keep believing the lies zos is feeding you.

actually no cause it isnt a lie we saw balancing occur in morrowind(granted it wasnt what we were expecting but we adapted) with the sustain change. that took them awhile to figure out what to do with it and its working perfectly fine. in summerset the games where it should be imho. class balancing their not gonna listen to the general populace they want the elites to take the reigns of that. like specific youtubers and streamers who sit and crunch numbers. we have to give that time because youll have them probly deliberating for months until they finally find something thatll work then zenimax has to take the time to implement it with their systems. so no lies have been given we will get it at some point or another. just like we got housing and now the coming jewlery crafting.

Ashryn · May 2018

More variety in quests and delves! Some are unique, but most of the quests are find my buddies, light the magical crystals, find the ingredients...etc... Most of these are just run around a get something, really. Make us think more and make them harder (but not impossibly hard!). Also, surprise us in the delves instead of run & slash then kill the boss at the end.

Marginis · May 2018

To be fair, it does take ZOS a helluva long time to implement stuff that everyone wants. I've played this game for over four years (as many have), and you have to realize where in the timeline something as basic as player housing was first introduced. I mean, people were talking about how player housing was going to be put in the game when ESO was still in beta.

However, they did eventually introduce player housing. They did introduce the outfit system. They implemented dyes. They're finally giving us jewelry crafting. It takes them a while, but ZOS can by and large be counted on to actually fulfill their promises, unlike many developers, and the stuff is usually implemented pretty well besides, honestly.

I'd also rather they tell us about what they're thinking about doing, what they want to do, and have our input on the matter far ahead of time, instead of just not telling us about all that stuff until right at release. I mean, game development takes time - that's just a fact; you can't change that - but transparency isn't common, so I'm glad ZOS has that.

It would be nice if they were more transparent with their monetization strategies though. Damn crown crates...

DuskMarine · May 2018

Marginis wrote: »

To be fair, it does take ZOS a helluva long time to implement stuff that everyone wants. I've played this game for over four years (as many have), and you have to realize where in the timeline something as basic as player housing was first introduced. I mean, people were talking about how player housing was going to be put in the game when ESO was still in beta.

However, they did eventually introduce player housing. They did introduce the outfit system. They implemented dyes. They're finally giving us jewelry crafting. It takes them a while, but ZOS can by and large be counted on to actually fulfill their promises, unlike many developers, and the stuff is usually implemented pretty well besides, honestly.

I'd also rather they tell us about what they're thinking about doing, what they want to do, and have our input on the matter far ahead of time, instead of just not telling us about all that stuff until right at release. I mean, game development takes time - that's just a fact; you can't change that - but transparency isn't common, so I'm glad ZOS has that.
It would be nice if they were more transparent with their monetization strategies though. Damn crown crates...

i forgot the outfit system but i never really remember many people asking about it on the forums but i know in my guilds we use to talk about having a transmog system almost daily.

jedtb16_ESO · May 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I've been gaming for over 20 years and I've seen the cancer of greed completely destroy this industry.

We've gone from an era of gaming where microtransactions were unheard of to one where you're hard pressed to find a game without them.

We've gone from having game developers actively engaged in communication with their players and genuinely caring about the experience to companies that package and sell junk while labelling it gold, shut down anyone saying anything negative about it, and lying to your face when you call them out on these practices.

This *** has to stop, and the sooner the white knights stop defending those who are blatantly taking advantage of them, the sooner that cancer will wither and fade. I doubt it will ever happen, though, because too many of these people are all too happy to bend over and get reamed while saying thank you for it.

Customer service does not mean the customers serve you.

completely destroy this industry?

so the gaming industry is dead, gone?

what are we doing here then.... what was i doing earlier today?

i'm pretty sure i was playing this game.... but how could that be?

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2018

b.bredfeldtub17_ESO wrote: »

No. I play MMOs for the unique offering of cooperative competition. Every half decent MMO I've played has offered this.
Don't use a blatantly false hasty generalization that fits your narrow minded desires of what you want an MMO to be.

Am I the one complaining that the game should be anything different from what it is ? No. YOU are.
If "every other decent MMO" has offered what you're looking for, please go play those and stop complaining here that things aren't as YOU like them in YOUR narrow minded desires of what YOU want the game to be.
THANK YOU.

(I will not comment on your "explanation" as to what the majority's desires should be looked upon, because I'd get myself banned and you're not worth it. But I'll say the following anyway : the fact that you mention truly serious issues - environment, democracy, motivation, etc... - and put them at the SAME LEVEL as a... videogame... says a lot about... well, I'd better self-censor myself here.
I save my energy for truly important things. Videogames are for relaxing AFTER that's been done. Obviously all you spend your "energy" on is ... videogames...)

Marginis · May 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

To be fair, it does take ZOS a helluva long time to implement stuff that everyone wants. I've played this game for over four years (as many have), and you have to realize where in the timeline something as basic as player housing was first introduced. I mean, people were talking about how player housing was going to be put in the game when ESO was still in beta.

However, they did eventually introduce player housing. They did introduce the outfit system. They implemented dyes. They're finally giving us jewelry crafting. It takes them a while, but ZOS can by and large be counted on to actually fulfill their promises, unlike many developers, and the stuff is usually implemented pretty well besides, honestly.

I'd also rather they tell us about what they're thinking about doing, what they want to do, and have our input on the matter far ahead of time, instead of just not telling us about all that stuff until right at release. I mean, game development takes time - that's just a fact; you can't change that - but transparency isn't common, so I'm glad ZOS has that.
It would be nice if they were more transparent with their monetization strategies though. Damn crown crates...

i forgot the outfit system but i never really remember many people asking about it on the forums but i know in my guilds we use to talk about having a transmog system almost daily.

Transmog was another thing that was talked about since beta, but the requests really started in force a bit after dyes came out.

Doctordarkspawn · May 2018

Phage wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The level of disconnection between your game directors, developers, community representatives, and customers is mind blowing. We hear one thing from wrobel, something entirely different from gina, and then stances do a complete 180 two weeks later. Does anyone actually know what the hell they're doing? Is there any infrastructure to your company, any quality control, any oversight?

We're sick of hearing you'll do this, or you'll do that, only to have it put off patch after patch after patch. Meanwhile, as your entire community is waiting for things to be set right after being told that's what was going to happen, all we see is more crown store releases trying to milk our wallets and distract from the real issues.

I've been holding out for well over a year now waiting for the base game changes we were told were coming to actually show up, and we've been misled once again. Give us a reason to believe you for once, because my patience has run out, I'm tired of paying for a broken product and as a customer I'm tired of being taken advantage of. Zenimax has lost all credibility and good faith from me, my subscription is done and you're not getting this customer back until something is done to warrant it.

Which changes are you referring to, specifically?

Gina Bruno stated their will be no balance changes for the remainder of the pts and now we will have to wait till the next major update.

Which will be probably never.

Seriously. They were supposed to have announced the class reps last month, that passed in silence. They were supposed to do class balance changes this PTS, that passed.

If there's one thing you can bet on with ZOS, it's that they'll fail their deadline.

And it makes me wonder -why-.

Either there is demonstrible mis-communication between the company and the people or it looks like someone is deliberately tanking things.

It wouldn't suprise me if a suit or someone higher up was vetoing any balance changes or anything to do with community outreach.

personman_145 · May 2018

I think it might be nice if they rebuilt the graphics for DX11-12, vulkan, TXAA, multicore, that kinda thing. Maybe even rebuilt from the ground up. It would be expensive and require a lot of man-hours, but I spend a lot of money on this game.

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2018

personman_145 wrote: »

I think it might be nice if they rebuilt the graphics for DX11-12, vulkan, TXAA, multicore, that kinda thing. Maybe even rebuilt from the ground up. It would be expensive and require a lot of man-hours, but I spend a lot of money on this game.

So you spend a lot of money on this game... and... ?

MaxwellC · May 2018

@DuskMarine
You do know Destiny 1 fixed their problems in about 18 months right? This game has been out since 2014 so please spare me your naivety.
Everyone understands issues take a long time to fix but the problem is little to no communication, largely ignoring player feedback or outright basically telling us to shove it, etc

personman_145 · May 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

personman_145 wrote: »

I think it might be nice if they rebuilt the graphics for DX11-12, vulkan, TXAA, multicore, that kinda thing. Maybe even rebuilt from the ground up. It would be expensive and require a lot of man-hours, but I spend a lot of money on this game.

So you spend a lot of money on this game... and... ?

And I expect ROI? Thought that was implied.

One of the graphics devs even admitted that this was designed from the ground up for single-threading. I can source it for you if you'd like. But everyone with a fairly recent PC has more than 1 core. I just think it might actually be cheaper and more time efficient to rebuild than to try to patch the single--threaded system. All it takes is the willingness to do so and money. I've spent my part.

I rebuilt my system saturday, so I'm fine, but if you have an older multicore you only stand to gain.

KanedaSyndrome · May 2018

Agreed, and I've already decided that it's time for an ESO break, so my 6 month ESO+ sub is not being renewed this summer.

The lack of base game updates is alarming. It's just more crown store items and yet another pointless zone that adds nothing to strive for, there's no point in playing when new expansions hit, there are no new level caps, no actual worthwhile PvE either.

Sting864 · May 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Lynx7386 I'm absolutely heated & I'm trying to control it but man it just baffles me that people literally stick to ZOS white knighting them at every bit of outrage (rightfully so) directed at them. We were promised balance changes with 4.03 then boom we were told pretty much to F off while our feedback that we wasted our damn time creating is supposedly appreciated yet none of it was shown whatsoever.

I don't consider feedback a waste of time, and if you don't appreciate it, why do you expect ZOS to act on it??
I don't think anyone was promised anything... I think people hear streamers say, "Oh, I talked to @so-and-so at ZOS, and they said they were addressing that issue..." Suddenly, it's seen as a promise.... Feedback doesn't work like that, nor can any one person 'promise' anything....

TheTwistedRune · May 2018

b.bredfeldtub17_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

We may or may not "understand our class" as you sooooo nicely put it, but sure we're very unlikely to participate in your "balance changes" disputes - which never lead anywhere anyway.
We just want you to understand that your "class balance" obsession isn't a priority. At all. To most of us. Rather the opposite.

I tend to look at anything that isn't a priority to "the general populace" as something that probably should be. The general populace by-and-large in every single aspect of life isn't something you should look up to, aspire to be, want to associate with, or have any other positive views on.

Average person's capability to run a mile?
Average intelligence?
Average motivation?
Average weight?
Average care for environment?

List goes on.

Therefor, when you say "most of us don't care" you're telling me that it's absolutely something I should care about, because what keeps the general population sated isn't enough for people who are actually good at things. [Snip].
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This is an MMORPG. Not a MOBA.
If you want competition focused game design couple with precise class balance, go play a MOBA. Thank you.

No. I play MMOs for the unique offering of cooperative competition. Every half decent MMO I've played has offered this.
[Snip].

Maybe these people like that sort of thing and feel a sense of achievement in their characters appearance. Who are you to judge what has greater merit in a video game?

Maybe you should go back to Dark Souls seeing as you are so good at it, what a life achievement that is.

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