Give us a reason to keep paying you, Zenimax

Aesthier

The moment I realized that anything Wrobel says they are going to fix is something that is going to become ground chuck, is the moment this game started making so much more sense.


Now I just treat Wrobel updates as a red area on the ground warning me to avoid the new UBER WROBEL attack.

Aebaradath

I want them to stop spending so much time on what they can cram into their precious Crown Store.

DieAlteHexe

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I want them to stop spending so much time on what they can cram into their precious Crown Store.

Why? It isn't tied into the rest of the game. Well, except for the art. I say bring it on. I also say keep plugging away at the core game. Happily there are teams which each do their own thing.

ccfeeling

I would like to pay much more for more server option , hell lag everyday .

Zos , take my money !

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'm tired of paying for a broken product and as a customer I'm tired of being taken advantage of. Zenimax has lost all credibility and good faith from me, my subscription is done and you're not getting this customer back until something is done to warrant it.

If you are sick and tired of something, you simply quit it.
You simply do it, no need to tell and be a drama queen.

You are not tired. And your text wall shows it.
You are addicted to it. And you will be in six months.

zParallaxz

Sting864 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

We're sick of hearing you'll do this, or you'll do that, only to have it put off patch after patch after patch. Meanwhile, as your entire community is waiting for things to be set right after being told that's what was going to happen, all we see is more crown store releases trying to milk our wallets and distract from the real issues.

You do NOT speak for me.... I don't recall voting for you to be king....
Thank you ZOS, for listening to your customer feedback to make a truly stellar game...
(for those of you who are familiar with the scaffolding in the Thieves' Guild dungeons... that was a perfect example of talented developers implementing customer ideas... oh, and you're welcome...)

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Who cares about "balance changes" ?

95% of the game is doable with any class in any role. Only a few PvP tryhards and PvE leaderboard-seekers care about "balance".
The rest of us are truly fed up with having to relearn our characters every 3 to 6 months due to "balance changes". We're more than fed up to have to deal with an increasingly difficult resource management just because a few guys manage to play blindfolded with one hand. Just as one example out of many.
I'm grateful that ZOS doesn't give too much attention to each and every of your petty demands for the sake of "balance changes" on which you don't even all agree anyway. You'd complain no matter what. On the contrary, I wish they'd give more attention to the average Joe casual crowd who's struggling with all the changes they never asked for.

As I said before, these are the white knights who enjoy their simple pve overland quest and will still continue to support the game through the crown store. Therefore, ZOS has no real reason to improve combat since it makes no money.

zParallaxz

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Who cares about "balance changes" ?

95% of the game is doable with any class in any role. Only a few PvP tryhards and PvE leaderboard-seekers care about "balance".
The rest of us are truly fed up with having to relearn our characters every 3 to 6 months due to "balance changes". We're more than fed up to have to deal with an increasingly difficult resource management just because a few guys manage to play blindfolded with one hand. Just as one example out of many.
I'm grateful that ZOS doesn't give too much attention to each and every of your petty demands for the sake of "balance changes" on which you don't even all agree anyway. You'd complain no matter what. On the contrary, I wish they'd give more attention to the average Joe casual crowd who's struggling with all the changes they never asked for.

Wait wtf, why should average joe get take part in balance changes when they don’t even fully
understand their class.

anitajoneb17_ESO

zParallaxz wrote: »

Wait wtf, why should average joe get take part in balance changes when they don’t even fully
understand their class.

We may or may not "understand our class" as you sooooo nicely put it, but sure we're very unlikely to participate in your "balance changes" disputes - which never lead anywhere anyway.
We just want you to understand that your "class balance" obsession isn't a priority. At all. To most of us. Rather the opposite.

This is an MMORPG. Not a MOBA.
If you want competition focused game design couple with precise class balance, go play a MOBA. Thank you.

klowdy1

[edited to remove quote]

He does bring up a good point. So many people wanting "class balance", but so few of those people agree what "balance" is. Balance is subjective to the class you play, it seems. I've seen posts in the same thread stating maidens are both OP, and weak. Both of those people wanted balance, but were clearly on different pages. Maybe they don't change anything because the status-quo is better than the cries that would ensue after "balance" did not please everyone, and in fact made many even more upset.

If someone could get a collection of wholly agreed upon changes, they might do it. At this point, the people wanting changes and balance are pulling them in every direction.

Ruinhorn

Sorry for bad english.

The thing where ZOS are fully coordinated is

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I spent last year in GW2, took a break of ESO after Morrowind "expansion" (DLC). And would never come back if only Morrowind wasn't included in Summerset DLC.
You know, I've NEVER seen monetization discussions on GW2 forums. General qustions, balance problems, typical MMO topics. Everything looked healty.

Here, as I noticed (beta player is here) the first page of General Discussion always has a topic dedicated to crown store prices, sales and everything about ZOS monetization politics. People mention "$60 game" quite often. Now players are discussing 20% crown sale.

Personally, I'm not against such prices. But if I'm ready to pay more, I expect perfection. Highest quality. The best game (if ZOS wants us to call it the best one) must stand close to this level.

And Summerset so-called expansion? People are seriously discussing and checking Summerset size compared to Vvardenfell or Auridon. They calculate pixels and percentange just to be sure they were not tricked and playable area is really bigger than ever. Absurd, but a good example of trust between players and ZOS.

One of the worst thing in marketing is empty promises. If you promise something to your customers - keep your promise. If you promise to correct a particular thing in the balance, with such prices people don't expect to wait years until this bug or a problem is fixed. Unfortunately, balance is an unstable thing, you can't keep in balance everything and always have to "oscillate" here and there, trying to find a proper solution. Plus, ZOS has full statistics about everything in game. Subjectively you can feel one thing, but statistics will say opposite.

Lack of communication between devs and players.
This is not a communication:

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I'll give you a small example.
Severals months ago or so ANet (GW2 devs) introduced a trailer for a new Living Season's chapter. And there was a new version of "Fear not this night" song. Well, not a version, just a couple of lines. But many players fell in love in it and asked about making a full song on official forum. One of the community managers made a reply, that she transferred this wish to developers team. And what do you think? Several days ago ANet uploaded a new soundtrack! They didn't promise anything. They heard their players and made it. That's how healty companies do their job.

I don't say that ESO is a bad designed game, no. It is a decent game. High quality graphics, not bad animation, lore-based without annoying bows shooting with unicorns (hello, GW2). It looks like a "realistic-fantasy" world. ESO has both advantages and disadvantages, like every MMO has. But this game is made for players. Don't think it's a secret that for ZOS (for a company in overall) it's a good business. Again. ESO, like a MMO game is made for customers. For players. And customers are expecting a solid and constant communication with developers (for such price, I repeat this again). They expect that all the information about bugs and problems won't just be transferred to developers' team (if we're lucky), but will also be heard, taken into account and, the most important, a feedback will be received.

What's the point of all these forums and topics then? Throw players in a boiling pot, let them argue and don't bother them? While we work here, do out job and anyway know better.

Yzalirk

All I want is hair and beard styles that NPCs exclusively have. A lot of them are really cool and I would be more than happy to buy them.

Palidon

If you have not figured it out yet ZOS is good at making promises and telling you what you want to hear.

Pixel_Zealot

Dungeon finder has been broken for how many years now?

anitajoneb17_ESO

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Dungeon finder has been broken for how many years now?

???
It's been working fine for months now...

Slick_007

zParallaxz wrote: »

He speaks for the majority of like minded people, I’m guessing your supportive of Zos and their recent decisions?

so you think because he doesnt speak for us, we are for the other side? how small minded of you to think theres only 2 options.

Enslaved

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Please don't say "we" as if you speak for everyone.

Yeah. As you see, there are ppl who adore the current state of ESO and cant think of any issue that could be addressed in the future to make it even better.

Violynne

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The level of disconnection between your game directors, developers, community representatives, and customers is mind blowing.

Just like every other business.

Let me break this down so you can understand: developers/managers don't make the rules.

Accountants do. These people probably have never picked up a controller in their life, yet they call the shots. They answer to one person: the CEO, and the CEO only cares about one thing: More black (revenue/profit), less blue (cost of business), and no red (losses).

Anyone below the bean counters answer to them. They can't scratch their own ass unless the bean counter says it's okay. These poor people, who actually do the work, are restricted by a budget, and let me tell you budgets are a necessary evil.

Budgets is why things take what seem like years to get produced. Going over budget is bad news for a business, even if profits are up. Why? Ask any software company what "scope creep" is and they'll tell you it's disastrous.

I'm sure the developers would love to do many things, but budgets say otherwise. They're a curse because they limit, but they're a blessing because they allow things to be done, despite the time it takes it.

Planned ideas can be scrapped faster than you can say "Why".

Why?

Because of posts just like this.

The game isn't perfect, I'll grant you that. No game is.

I find exceptional value in what ZoS has done with the game in the last 4 years. It's a fantastic game, improved over time. Even you cannot deny this, even if some features have yet to be implemented.

If you don't find value, that's disappointing to hear. But given your rant, I'm sorry to say, many of us who sub won't agree with your assessment, and I certainly don't agree with your reason for cancellation.

I hate to be blunt, but you're coming off as entitled.

You may have cancelled your sub, but you're still going to be playing.

Stop and think about this and try to determine why your post is idiotic.

RainfeatherUK

[removed baiting comment] 'we' just referred to those whom you know agree with you; a substantial amount of people.

Sorry ZoS fans, [snip]. Critique is healthy. Stop trying to silence it.

Anyway some people here should have refuted your point by providing EVIDENCE that your claims about misrepresented or unfulfilled promises were incorrect?

Notice how they cannot?

Because they are substantiated by record and promises that have not been delivered. Context and facts don't just go away because people don't like it. [snip]

anitajoneb17_ESO

Violynne wrote: »

These people probably have never picked up a controller in their life, yet they call the shots.

Even if they had lived and grown up with a controller in their hands, that would probably change nothing. Those same people who are complaining about the "monetization" of things in threads like this one are most likely to go the whole monetization way if they were in charge of a game. And if developers/managers would make the rules, instead of finance people, they'd probably go for the profit way too.
Profit is simply attractive. Even for a single humanbeing. It's of course worse for a group of people and unavoidable when they're structured as a company, let alone a big company.
Look at the path chosen by many companies growing from indie=>AAA. I'm curious as to what CDProjektRed will do next, for instance...

DMuehlhausen

Lynx7386 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

@Lynx7386 while I feel your pain (believe me, after 4 years with this game I realllly do!) your argument will stand scrutiny better if you supply additional information. What changes? When was this said and by whom? Link some sources. I am ALL FOR holding this company's feet to the fire. But to be taken seriously you gotta supply facts with your outrage.

This is in reference to the post by Gina today claiming that we were simply 'misinformed' and that there are not going to be any more class balance changes with summerset (other than the few changes made in the first PTS version).

This is after being told over and over again going all the way back to morrowind's launch that class balance changes were a priority and in the works. Over a *** year and they still have nothing to show for it.

Umm..pretty sure she meant from this point until Summerset releases...I mean come on! You think a game that will run for at least another 5 years is going to do anything for class balance...If ZoS wants to do anything to help it's player base they need to screen posts like this from hitting the forums.

Trevore

Shor-ly, there's gonna be at least some kind of class update when Summerset comes out, right? It's just not gonna be in the PTS. They're saving it all for a surprise, right?

...Right?


Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if they change them or not (Even though it's going to be a pain if I have to change up my sets...), I just want them to increase the furniture cap for the houses. Better yet, just take them out entirely!

ZOS_JesC

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Muttsmutt

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The level of disconnection between your game directors, developers, community representatives, and customers is mind blowing. We hear one thing from wrobel, something entirely different from gina, and then stances do a complete 180 two weeks later. Does anyone actually know what the hell they're doing? Is there any infrastructure to your company, any quality control, any oversight?

We're sick of hearing you'll do this, or you'll do that, only to have it put off patch after patch after patch. Meanwhile, as your entire community is waiting for things to be set right after being told that's what was going to happen, all we see is more crown store releases trying to milk our wallets and distract from the real issues.

I've been holding out for well over a year now waiting for the base game changes we were told were coming to actually show up, and we've been misled once again. Give us a reason to believe you for once, because my patience has run out, I'm tired of paying for a broken product and as a customer I'm tired of being taken advantage of. Zenimax has lost all credibility and good faith from me, my subscription is done and you're not getting this customer back until something is done to warrant it.

preach
ruining a good IP in the mmo landscape
i wanted to keep playing so bad but hooo boy, what a clown fiesta of a company

OutLaw_Nynx

Lake wrote: »

From their actions recently, we do know who calls the final shots: the marketing department.

zParallaxz

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Wait wtf, why should average joe get take part in balance changes when they don’t even fully
understand their class.

We may or may not "understand our class" as you sooooo nicely put it, but sure we're very unlikely to participate in your "balance changes" disputes - which never lead anywhere anyway.
We just want you to understand that your "class balance" obsession isn't a priority. At all. To most of us. Rather the opposite.

This is an MMORPG. Not a MOBA.
If you want competition focused game design couple with precise class balance, go play a MOBA. Thank you.

I find it funny how people with absurdly low cp or haven’t been through most aspects of the game think they should have a major say in balance changes. Hell a good amount of people are still in the 3-2-2 armour and using uppercut with flame lash stage.

Juju_beans

From all my years of playing MMO's and seeing posts about "balance issues" what it really boils down to is "make my class OP"

b.bredfeldtub17_ESO

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

We may or may not "understand our class" as you sooooo nicely put it, but sure we're very unlikely to participate in your "balance changes" disputes - which never lead anywhere anyway.
We just want you to understand that your "class balance" obsession isn't a priority. At all. To most of us. Rather the opposite.

I tend to look at anything that isn't a priority to "the general populace" as something that probably should be. The general populace by-and-large in every single aspect of life isn't something you should look up to, aspire to be, want to associate with, or have any other positive views on.

Average person's capability to run a mile?
Average intelligence?
Average motivation?
Average weight?
Average care for environment?

List goes on.

Therefor, when you say "most of us don't care" you're telling me that it's absolutely something I should care about, because what keeps the general population sated isn't enough for people who are actually good at things. [Snip].

[Edited to remove bait/flame]

This is an MMORPG. Not a MOBA.
If you want competition focused game design couple with precise class balance, go play a MOBA. Thank you.

No. I play MMOs for the unique offering of cooperative competition. Every half decent MMO I've played has offered this.
[Snip].

[Edited to remove bait/flame]

Sergykid

easy to introduce quality of life features often found in simple addons, or high lack of information toward game mechanics, shows how much they care about the actual gameplay.

Stewart1874

I'm not really sure what i'm paying for anymore.. the privilege of over priced items in the crownstore? Its seriously galling what they think is acceptable practise. I won't be playing any MMO's going forward. If this is industry standard the industry is cancer.

Rawkan

There's a simple solution to this, stop paying them and play something else.

I still enjoy this game for what it is. Take breaks and come back when there's new content.