PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Warden Balance
-
TheGentleChu✭✭I think adding group minor courage (A small flat boost to weapon and spell damage that SPC and the new trial healer set offer as the major version of the buff) to one of the Warden passives now that there is a new damage buff in the game would be a massive step towards making wardens more "viable".
Every other class has a group damage buff warranting a spot in a trials group (minor brutality for DKs, minor sorcery for sorcs, etc), but as of now MagDens offer nothing.3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »So I am very curious if there will be some Magden buffs in today's PTS Update. I doubt it.
Oh such amazing Warden changes on the new PTS version, great!PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -9 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭TheGentleChu wrote: »I think adding group minor courage (A small flat boost to weapon and spell damage that SPC and the new trial healer set offer as the major version of the buff) to one of the Warden passives now that there is a new damage buff in the game would be a massive step towards making wardens more "viable".
Every other class has a group damage buff warranting a spot in a trials group (minor brutality for DKs, minor sorcery for sorcs, etc), but as of now MagDens offer nothing.
Minor Toughness. What ever you think of that buff, Wardens have it.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
TheGentleChu✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »TheGentleChu wrote: »I think adding group minor courage (A small flat boost to weapon and spell damage that SPC and the new trial healer set offer as the major version of the buff) to one of the Warden passives now that there is a new damage buff in the game would be a massive step towards making wardens more "viable".
Every other class has a group damage buff warranting a spot in a trials group (minor brutality for DKs, minor sorcery for sorcs, etc), but as of now MagDens offer nothing.
Minor Toughness. What ever you think of that buff, Wardens have it.
That's not a DPS buff at all though and most DPS Wardens are not running a green balance skill to proc that anyways.
1 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭TheGentleChu wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »TheGentleChu wrote: »I think adding group minor courage (A small flat boost to weapon and spell damage that SPC and the new trial healer set offer as the major version of the buff) to one of the Warden passives now that there is a new damage buff in the game would be a massive step towards making wardens more "viable".
Every other class has a group damage buff warranting a spot in a trials group (minor brutality for DKs, minor sorcery for sorcs, etc), but as of now MagDens offer nothing.
Minor Toughness. What ever you think of that buff, Wardens have it.
That's not a DPS buff at all though and most DPS Wardens are not running a green balance skill to proc that anyways.
Doesn’t need to be Green Balance, any heal at all will do. Vigor, Lotus, your own Animal Companion despawn. Though Leeching Vines is the best one to do it. But not every class is a damage buff, Templars is Minor Intillect and Nightblades don’t have one.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »TheGentleChu wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »TheGentleChu wrote: »I think adding group minor courage (A small flat boost to weapon and spell damage that SPC and the new trial healer set offer as the major version of the buff) to one of the Warden passives now that there is a new damage buff in the game would be a massive step towards making wardens more "viable".
Every other class has a group damage buff warranting a spot in a trials group (minor brutality for DKs, minor sorcery for sorcs, etc), but as of now MagDens offer nothing.
Minor Toughness. What ever you think of that buff, Wardens have it.
That's not a DPS buff at all though and most DPS Wardens are not running a green balance skill to proc that anyways.
Doesn’t need to be Green Balance, any heal at all will do. Vigor, Lotus, your own Animal Companion despawn. Though Leeching Vines is the best one to do it. But not every class is a damage buff, Templars is Minor Intillect and Nightblades don’t have one.
Nightblade has the one that improve your weapon critical.
Templar has Minor Sorcery that increase spell damage.PC NA Casual/PVP5 -
TheGentleChu✭✭Regardless of how minor toughness is procced it still means your group doesn’t get any kind of dps boost that all other classes offer. And I thought the new class of buffs might be a good way to remedy that
0 -
Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGentleChu wrote: »Regardless of how minor toughness is procced it still means your group doesn’t get any kind of dps boost that all other classes offer. And I thought the new class of buffs might be a good way to remedy that
Buffs some warden damage skills. Whooooooieeeeee!!!0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean is ZOS even aware that there is a Warden class?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -6 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If warden DPS without bear ult was on par as other mag builds without ultimate, the bear would do exactly that - made warden DPS superior in single target in situation that allow for it. Speaks a lot that the issue is not related to it at all.
Except warden single target DPS isn't superior with the bear.
Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 1, 2018 2:28AM2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheGentleChu wrote: »Regardless of how minor toughness is procced it still means your group doesn’t get any kind of dps boost that all other classes offer. And I thought the new class of buffs might be a good way to remedy that
Also don't forget: Minor Toughness is already provided by War Horn. So while this buff may be nice in PvP, it's not that great for PvE
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU2 -
Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭TheGentleChu wrote: »Regardless of how minor toughness is procced it still means your group doesn’t get any kind of dps boost that all other classes offer. And I thought the new class of buffs might be a good way to remedy that
Also don't forget: Minor Toughness is already provided by War Horn. So while this buff may be nice in PvP, it's not that great for PvE
It's not the great in PvP either since you have to lose health to proc the heal that inturn activates the minor toughness passive.0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »If warden DPS without bear ult was on par as other mag builds without ultimate, the bear would do exactly that - made warden DPS superior in single target in situation that allow for it. Speaks a lot that the issue is not related to it at all.
Except warden single target DPS isn't superior with the bear. I'm not sure why you even comment on magicka warden DPS when you only play tank. Actually playing the class would help you realize its shortcomings.
Do you have problem understanding? Warden bear is superior single target ultimate. EVERYTHING ELSE on warden is inferior thats why it underperforms. Bear is literally the only thing that is working properly (balance wise) on that class. And I dont play tank at all...0 -
Ludof✭✭✭Thank you.
Magicka Warden is garbage in PvP now...
It needs a reliable cc...[EP-EU]
[Cloud Chasers]
Ludof - Dragonknight EP
Ludo-Fly-High - Warden DC
Irenilde Bantrel - Templar EP
Edd Bastian - Sorcerer EP
Lvdof - Templar EP
Nadia Brown - Templar EP
Ludof Shadowblade -Nightblade EP
Lùdof- Templar DC8 -
MinarasLaure✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Guys, don't forget as stated in the very first paragraph, you'll begin seeing some balance adjustments next week at the earliest. This patch is mainly bug fixes.
This is what @ZOS_GinaBruno said in 4.0.0.1.
Is it me or none of the classes have been adjusted in 02?1 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭MinarasLaure wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Guys, don't forget as stated in the very first paragraph, you'll begin seeing some balance adjustments next week at the earliest. This patch is mainly bug fixes.
This is what @ZOS_GinaBruno said in 4.0.0.1.
Is it me or none of the classes have been adjusted in 02?
it does say 'begin seeing some', doesn't mean there will be. quite elusive
Edited by LeHarrt91 on April 30, 2018 11:29PMPS NA
Have played all classes.
Warden Main0 -
LanceFoxMcCloud✭✭✭Well, I really had high hopes that whoever is in charge of Wardens would have woken the **** up and seen via this "feedback thread" that you so obviously don't pay ANY attention to, how terrible of a job you have all done attempting to balance this class.
Honestly? I feel scammed by you, ZoS Developers. Ive played this game everyday for almost 2 years, mained a Magden since Morrowind was released, and more attributes that you obviously don't care about so I won't even list.
You've ruined the class, for everyone.
You've ruined the fun, for me.
Legitimately, your lack of knowledge and motivation to do anything with this class has caused me to begin losing interest and motivation to play this game anymore.
When I do play, all it has resulted in is absolute frustration and utter dissapointment for a YEAR now with your lousy product that you vehemently refuse to fix that is the Warden.9 -
Sparky617✭✭✭@ the stun remove from another poster:
The "reasoning" is one of the most extraordinary examples of dev hypocrisy I've seen yet.
Dev quote;
"In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC."
Buuuut.... Nightblades keeps fear (long CC and high damage) Incap (high damage + CC) ....
Again, trying to understand this thought process is nothing short of infuriating.
Fear, nor either of its morphs, do ANY damage what so ever. They are CC+debuff. Incap is an Ultimate... different animal
0 -
LanceFoxMcCloud✭✭✭@ the stun remove from another poster:
The "reasoning" is one of the most extraordinary examples of dev hypocrisy I've seen yet.
Dev quote;
"In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC."
Buuuut.... Nightblades keeps fear (long CC and high damage) Incap (high damage + CC) ....
Again, trying to understand this thought process is nothing short of infuriating.
Fear, nor either of its morphs, do ANY damage what so ever. They are CC+debuff. Incap is an Ultimate... different animal
What's your point? You convienently omit the rest of the skills mentioned in my quote. Want me to list all the high dmg + cc skills available to others in the game for you?
It's an extremely hypocritical statement from the devs and nothing short of a lazy and falsely based excuse, AGAIN.11 -
Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭@ the stun remove from another poster:
The "reasoning" is one of the most extraordinary examples of dev hypocrisy I've seen yet.
Dev quote;
"In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC."
Buuuut.... Nightblades keeps fear (long CC and high damage) Incap (high damage + CC) ....
Again, trying to understand this thought process is nothing short of infuriating.
Fear, nor either of its morphs, do ANY damage what so ever. They are CC+debuff. Incap is an Ultimate... different animal
Dizzying.1 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »If warden DPS without bear ult was on par as other mag builds without ultimate, the bear would do exactly that - made warden DPS superior in single target in situation that allow for it. Speaks a lot that the issue is not related to it at all.
Except warden single target DPS isn't superior with the bear. I'm not sure why you even comment on magicka warden DPS when you only play tank. Actually playing the class would help you realize its shortcomings.
Do you have problem understanding? Warden bear is superior single target ultimate. EVERYTHING ELSE on warden is inferior thats why it underperforms. Bear is literally the only thing that is working properly (balance wise) on that class. And I dont play tank at all...
while my characters are in no way meta with all the elite gear, for comparison purposes, my nb's execute hits for about 28-30k when crit. The bears execute hits for about 60k+.
its normal is about 30k+ when not in execute phase and considering how fast warden can gain ult. its pretty good.
From my history with MMOs, players never ever take in account the damage the pet does. Makes me wonder if this is part of the reason we get no buffs on our main bar skills.
also, utitlity. Warden has some of the best utility being able to switch from DD to group defensive with a few gear changes. Again, in every mmo that is not something players can see.
I look at conversations when it comes to healing. All your hear is templars have better heals, can heal for more, but wardens skills help groups take less damage so you dont have to heal as much. Again something many players do not comprehend.0 -
Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Deep Fissure - *** that skill. That clunky mechanic and lazy-ass animation. Needs to be completely redesigned. Into a damage over time ability or something. Also, cost is too big.
Screaming Cliff Racer - make it faster? Adjust damage? Maybe add minor fracture or something? Range bonus is garbage and often is lost in pve environment.
Eternal Guardian - derpy AI. I don't know how you're gonna fix its stupidity.
Enchanted Growth - still glitches on uneven terrain. Won't heal for a dime if target is standing on stairs or something like that. Cost is a bit high.
Budding Seeds - maybe add a heal over time component to this?
Living Vines - redesign this skill. Turn it into heal over time.
Nature's Grasp - also, *** this skill. Infuriatingly dumb design. Useless in pve. Needs complete redesign. Into something with heal over time and maybe 2-3 targets.
Arctic Blast - make it scale off of magicka and spell damage, make it useable.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.2 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭arctic blast should be made into an ice spammable. direct damage single target with some splash damage like jabs2
-
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭Deep Fissure - *** that skill. That clunky mechanic and lazy-ass animation. Needs to be completely redesigned. Into a damage over time ability or something. Also, cost is too big.
Screaming Cliff Racer - make it faster? Adjust damage? Maybe add minor fracture or something? Range bonus is garbage and often is lost in pve environment.
Eternal Guardian - derpy AI. I don't know how you're gonna fix its stupidity.
Enchanted Growth - still glitches on uneven terrain. Won't heal for a dime if target is standing on stairs or something like that. Cost is a bit high.
Budding Seeds - maybe add a heal over time component to this?
Living Vines - redesign this skill. Turn it into heal over time.
Nature's Grasp - also, *** this skill. Infuriatingly dumb design. Useless in pve. Needs complete redesign. Into something with heal over time and maybe 2-3 targets.
Arctic Blast - make it scale off of magicka and spell damage, make it useable.
Fissure as a dot would remove the last reason to pvp with magden, would need serious buffs then, even though I am sick to death of the 321 gameplay
Vines is really good as a source of lifesteal or a spammable heal with trellis
Please don’t remove the gapcoser from embrace entirely... it’s really helpful and unwittingly warden in pvp and its our best heal at 32k over 10s... it would help if one morph didn’t gapclose for pve sake or I you could cast the hot on yourself if a target was not in your reticle
I agree on cliff racer, guardian, blast, growth and seeds... needs rework
Also flies as an execute would be a godsend
3 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭they will never give warden an execute because they already have one, not an efficient one but they have one.0
-
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can a dev give us a reply with what they're thinking and planning atm?
Or is that too much to ask for at this stage? Lol. Communication. Takes 2 mins to quickly type something to keep us in the loop.Edited by mb10 on May 1, 2018 5:35PM8 -
seitekisaki✭✭✭Can a dev give us a reply with what they're thinking and planning atm?
Or is that too much to ask for at this stage? Lol. Communication. Takes 2 mins to quickly type something to keep us in the loop.
Would be nice! Wouldn't get my hopes up for something drastic though. Maybe we will get a small tooltip change and the stun back. I'm hoping for anything at this point. 1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭What happened to the class representative initiative? I remember ZOS promising a major changes for Warden for almost a year now?4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tvQ6ANH7M