A lot of rude players in the community

DoctorESO · April 2018

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

A friendly reminder that politics do not have anything to do with the topic on hand. Please be sure to keep with the forum rules and stay on the topic of ESO. Thanks!

LOL - how did politics make it into this discussion? Oh, wait...they always find a way into every discussion, no matter how apolitical it is.

Twenty0zTsunami · April 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

A friendly reminder that politics do not have anything to do with the topic on hand. Please be sure to keep with the forum rules and stay on the topic of ESO. Thanks!

LOL - how did politics make it into this discussion? Oh, wait...they always find a way into every discussion, no matter how apolitical it is.

umm..

the activities associated with debate or conflict among individuals or parties

sounds like a political discussion to me.

briflexia · April 2018

@DoctorESO lol sorry for long reply time I finally just saw this and no lol I haven’t yet sadly

briflexia · April 2018

Well everyone I have loved hearing some of the stories about your ESO experiences for sure, today was my first day that I have actually got kicked from a dungeon because I sucked to bad ha, they messaged me saying i needed to use bow and dual wield which I was actually using at the time and then they voted to kick me before I could even explain anything, which I don’t find extremely rude but we where almost done with the dungeon and I was waiting over an hour to even get into it for my undaunted quest....so only slightly upset

but oh well I guess I’m only level 81 champ so I got work to do still.

Charliff1966 · April 2018

This thread reminds me off why i only play with guildmembers.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I don't know if its better in other MMO's
But at least in game= I have been repeatedly racially insulted using the N word....
I get insults and rage whispers almost every day of playing PvP(people who are happy to Xv1 you down bit get really salty when you “return the favor“.)
And somehow running in a Organized PvP Group 2-3 times a week makes you a automatically a “NO skill zergling“ (quote by a player who I later killed in a 2vs2 with a buddy of mine)
People in PvP usually say “get gut noob“ after getting steamrolled in a duell (by a werewolf) or say “take off Set X or Y“ without wanting to sacrifice anything in return.....
In short if my working colleagues would behave the way some people behave in this game (especially Cyrodiil) they would BE FIRED ON THE SPOT!

@Mangeli200194, not sure what your profession is, but I think the boss also might frown on the practice of trying to siege the adjacent office building and literally eliminate the competition?

Anyway, in my experience, people generally get what they give. Anyone making assumptions about a player, tagging them negatively as nOOb, elitist, or anything in between is doing the same thing. No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced any more than they should have to apologize for being a highly skilled player. Bias and stereotype can go both ways, and both are usually wrong.

Again, with no context in the OP, there's no way to know.

carljokl · April 2018

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Get a thicker skin. What more is there to be said.

Millennials especially in my experience, walk around as if the world owes them a pat on the back and some cuddles. It doesn't. Respect is earned and before that you can expect people to disregard you completely. Its called human nature.

Darn Millennials ruining the world with their unrealistic expectations again.

....get off my lawn!

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Get a thicker skin. What more is there to be said.

Millennials especially in my experience, walk around as if the world owes them a pat on the back and some cuddles. It doesn't. Respect is earned and before that you can expect people to disregard you completely. Its called human nature.

Darn Millennials ruining the world with their unrealistic expectations again.

....get off my lawn!

There are entitled *** spanning every generation.

Some just get more media coverage (and FB likes

) than most.

notimetocare · April 2018

briflexia wrote: »

So I am sure not one to judge people at all but during my short time period on this game I have definitely ran into quit a few people who talk crap on low levels they play with and I just don’t understand why they do so, if you have such a problem with people why stay in a group with them and not just leave? Yes this is probably a stupid post but for such a beautiful game why do people still have to hate, I may never understand.

You get punished for leaving, so they stay and have to deal with noobs. Is it right? Eh, probably not, but welcome to life

Aisle9 · April 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I don't know if its better in other MMO's
But at least in game= I have been repeatedly racially insulted using the N word....
I get insults and rage whispers almost every day of playing PvP(people who are happy to Xv1 you down bit get really salty when you “return the favor“.)
And somehow running in a Organized PvP Group 2-3 times a week makes you a automatically a “NO skill zergling“ (quote by a player who I later killed in a 2vs2 with a buddy of mine)
People in PvP usually say “get gut noob“ after getting steamrolled in a duell (by a werewolf) or say “take off Set X or Y“ without wanting to sacrifice anything in return.....
In short if my working colleagues would behave the way some people behave in this game (especially Cyrodiil) they would BE FIRED ON THE SPOT!

@Mangeli200194, not sure what your profession is, but I think the boss also might frown on the practice of trying to siege the adjacent office building and literally eliminate the competition?

Anyway, in my experience, people generally get what they give. Anyone making assumptions about a player, tagging them negatively as nOOb, elitist, or anything in between is doing the same thing. No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced any more than they should have to apologize for being a highly skilled player. Bias and stereotype can go both ways, and both are usually wrong.

Again, with no context in the OP, there's no way to know.

What if the job description is to eliminate the competition ?

No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced, but when someone (inexperienced) is given the opportunity to grow and actively refuse it, choosing instead to lash out at the people offering guidance... that person will receive no sympathy from me.

But, yeah, this whole thread is highly speculative, since hardly any context was given.

carljokl · April 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

carljokl wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Get a thicker skin. What more is there to be said.

Millennials especially in my experience, walk around as if the world owes them a pat on the back and some cuddles. It doesn't. Respect is earned and before that you can expect people to disregard you completely. Its called human nature.

Darn Millennials ruining the world with their unrealistic expectations again.

....get off my lawn!

There are entitled *** spanning every generation.

Some just get more media coverage (and FB likes ) than most.

I develop a thick skin about being called a Snowflake or disparaged for being a Millennial.
It seems a strange irony to on one hand be criticising younger people for not having manners, politeness and decency etc then the next that they are being too sensitive about expecting manners, politeness and decency? That said some situations can be defused by not returning *** for tat.

Karmanorway · April 2018

Ppl are rude everywhere
(if their behind a screen)

Sting864 · April 2018

carljokl wrote: »

Darn Millennials ruining the world with their unrealistic expectations again.

....get off my lawn!

Darn people my age thinking they are ENTITLED to lawns....

SantieClaws · April 2018

Khajiit has an approach to this yes.

Think of the person you most admire, would be most embarrassed to be rude to.

Then assume every other traveller could potentially be them - after all you cannot be sure they are not no?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

yiasemi · April 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit has an approach to this yes.

Think of the person you most admire, would be most embarrassed to be rude to.

Then assume every other traveller could potentially be them - after all you cannot be sure they are not no?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I say old chap, are you Sirrah Kesey of the Ken. I just loved it when you said "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer. They think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." of course it stopped me levelling up and made me friends with Khajiits who live in wells but I do admire you and i will let you farm here while I teleport to a different area cause like it's all relative man.

Like that.

SantieClaws · April 2018

yiasemi wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit has an approach to this yes.

Think of the person you most admire, would be most embarrassed to be rude to.

Then assume every other traveller could potentially be them - after all you cannot be sure they are not no?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I say old chap, are you Sirrah Kesey of the Ken. I just loved it when you said "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer. They think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." of course it stopped me levelling up and made me friends with Khajiits who live in wells but I do admire you and i will let you farm here while I teleport to a different area cause like it's all relative man.

Like that.

Perhaps yes. Although this one now lives in the whole castle and not just in the well.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

yiasemi · April 2018

Dang, just say yes.

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Benemime wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I once tried to help out a lowbie on his bow la spamming build when he qued into my vet scalecaller, he called me an elitist and said that high end players are toxic. Some lowbies take build critism badly

Only give advice if advice was asked for.

You didn't "give advice" because none was asked. You criticized him..you judged him. Criticizing generates destructive energy.

That's psychology 101.

I agree 100%. Imaging him giving an advice, without being asked for, it feels like critique. "why don't you use X instead of LA? Why don't u do this instead of that?" see? It feels like a condescending critique, although he might not meant to be rude.

If you are sensitive about that, sure. But if you understand you don't know everything and you have a blind side and that sometimes other people know more than you, you can take the input. Some people go straight to "don't tell me what to do." These people should not be taking part in team activities. In team activities, expect to be accountable to your teammates.

Expecting people to offer advice to people on their team is counterproductive and naive. First, people have blind spots. They may not even realize they need advice, so they don't ask for it. Second, some people are just quiet and only engage when someone engages them. Third, teammates are affected and they have a right to speak up for their interests.

That being said, there are also people who are really rude in sharing knowledge. Some enjoy feeling superior to others and that can be hard for some to swallow. Others are just rude because they are frustrated and suck at communicating constructively when frustrated.

vamp_emily · April 2018

I know I was wrong in away but this happened to me yesterday.

We were trying to dethrone AD emp ( kyne ) and I was on my tank. My tank can take a lot of damage and it usually takes a handfull of noobs to kill me. Well I am on the stairs and I see DC attempting to get on the flag. So I step in front of everyone, take flight and pull the enemy away from DC. I figured at this point DC would come in and wipe them but they all ran out the breach.

I made a comment after dying "Whoever is teaching you all how to play needs to be beheaded". Well that turned into about 20 minutes of drama. First one of the leaders says 'Emily F Off", and then it turned into "You do nothing for the alliance", "go away", "why are you here?".

The truth is I am one of the most loyal DC players and I go to Kyne every night to help. I basically do everything. Someone made a comment about me not being on the leader board and that is because I play in multiple campaigns on around 6 different characters and a lot of times I am scouting, defending or flagging keeps while everyone else is getting offensive ticks.

Well anyways that is my typical day in PvP. It is hard not being rude sometimes.

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

carljokl wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Get a thicker skin. What more is there to be said.

Millennials especially in my experience, walk around as if the world owes them a pat on the back and some cuddles. It doesn't. Respect is earned and before that you can expect people to disregard you completely. Its called human nature.

Darn Millennials ruining the world with their unrealistic expectations again.

....get off my lawn!

There are entitled *** spanning every generation.

Some just get more media coverage (and FB likes ) than most.

And old, out-of-touch, individuals have been complaining about the younger generations since forever. They are best ignored. I say this as a middle-age man.

IlCanis_LupuslI · April 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I don't know if its better in other MMO's
But at least in game= I have been repeatedly racially insulted using the N word....
I get insults and rage whispers almost every day of playing PvP(people who are happy to Xv1 you down bit get really salty when you “return the favor“.)
And somehow running in a Organized PvP Group 2-3 times a week makes you a automatically a “NO skill zergling“ (quote by a player who I later killed in a 2vs2 with a buddy of mine)
People in PvP usually say “get gut noob“ after getting steamrolled in a duell (by a werewolf) or say “take off Set X or Y“ without wanting to sacrifice anything in return.....
In short if my working colleagues would behave the way some people behave in this game (especially Cyrodiil) they would BE FIRED ON THE SPOT!

@Mangeli200194, not sure what your profession is, but I think the boss also might frown on the practice of trying to siege the adjacent office building and literally eliminate the competition?

Anyway, in my experience, people generally get what they give. Anyone making assumptions about a player, tagging them negatively as nOOb, elitist, or anything in between is doing the same thing. No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced any more than they should have to apologize for being a highly skilled player. Bias and stereotype can go both ways, and both are usually wrong.

Again, with no context in the OP, there's no way to know.

Im talking about their verbal habits...

Durham · April 2018

I think most people in this game are pretty good. I like the PC population much better then they Consol population. However in both I think most are still pretty good.

However people in /zone do say racist, hateful, insulting, sexist comments and do it all the time.....Not only do they do this in zone they also say this on twitch and call people out in twitch..... People in the game know that ZOS does nothing about this behavior other then ask you put them on ignore... In PVP i put 1 person on ignore almost every night from unwanted tells...

I know several players telling other players in /zone to not group people in PVP because they (SUCK) continiously insulting them while the other player knows nothing because the other player is on ignore....

I think ZOS need to enforce some basic rules.

Mefit · April 2018

Doing a dungeon you need to do a quest with is stressing when you have Champion players in your group

RayneHalo · April 2018

I've met a few less than polite/friendly people in ESO however, I have met far more people that I now consider friends. While there will always be people around that you do not "connect" with, don't let a few interactions paint the image of what or who the community as a whole can be. Ignore the ones you don't like and enjoy the people you do.

Azuramoonstar · April 2018

Most if those are dead mmo. And don't really count as mmo because of counter productive systems that lean more on solo play vs group play.

Durham wrote: »

I think most people in this game are pretty good. I like the PC population much better then they Console population. However in both I think most are still pretty good.

However people in /zone do say racist, hateful, insulting, sexist comments and do it all the time.....Not only do they do this in zone they also say this on twitch and call people out in twitch..... People in the game know that ZOS does nothing about this behavior other then ask you put them on ignore... In PVP i put 1 person on ignore almost every night from unwanted tells...

I know several players telling other players in /zone to not group people in PVP because they (SUCK) continuously insulting them while the other player knows nothing because the other player is on ignore....

I think ZOS need to enforce some basic rules.

pvp bring out the taunting in players, it is meant to get under your skin to distract you. block/report.

Zos and other mmo do enforce the rules but at some point, they can't make chat too PC. Korean MMO like tera have very ridiculous chat box censor ship, that you can't even type the word "night". I rather not see mmo go down that path.

at some point you, and others like you need to realize that everyone who plays comes from all walks of life and grew up on different sets of rules and morals.

IMO people are getting to pc and complain and moan over petty things. If people are breaking rules block/report. Console players is not better or worst then the pc players. tbh i rarely seen much in zone chats. been around vvardenfell, davons watch, hews ban, anvil. And outside the odd troll, haven;t seen much. I'm on a good 10+ hours a day.

At the end of the day, you can only control you. You can't, nor have the right to police how people communicate. Just block/report. If you find your block list full after a few hours pf play, then either start ignoring it or move on.

Censoring speech is already getting out of hand. Almost anything and everything is seen as racist, sexist, hateful or insulting.
Worst thing i was told in an mmo is that i should been a stain of the bed sheets. It upset me, but i just block/ignore right after.

My only suggestion would be send feedback to ZoS to let people turn off zone chat, or let us customize the chat box to have different tabs for things like group chat, zone chat, general chat which can be say, whispers.

Azuramoonstar · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

if people followed one simple rule....JUST ONE! Treat others as you want to be treated.

So when someone is being a d**chenozzle, you can be one back?

Yes.

To the limits of what's allowed by the ToS and the EULA, ofc.

You can't berate their creed, sexual orientation, ethnic features or invite them to commit suicide (in a nutshell).

actually no, it best to be the bigger person. If a person is being rude to you. Kill them with kindness. If you are rude back, they can report you. I had this happen to me in ff14. Still have the account warning 1 year later.

Kalgert · April 2018

I just left from my own little horror story of just what kind of scum you can find in this game.

So, me and my girlfriend have been playing together for quite some time now, and not too long ago she got to the CP stage, and we're now just running normal dungeons so she can rack up CP levels and all that jazz.

Well, recent dungeon we went in to was White-Gold Tower, and everything went smoothly (She died a few times, but that's to be expected in a DLC dungeon against something unfamiliar), but it was all still just fine... Until we got to the last boss.

So, one of the party members (Can't be bothered to remember his name, and even then naming and shaming will get me sued on this forum) decided to become very... Aggressive towards her, using all manner of profanity because she wasn't doing that good (Kind of rich to expect someone who's relatively fresh to end-game to be a master, am I right?), and he was so abusive that she left the game, and left me cold for a while so she could play by herself to calm down a bit (Thankfully it all worked out between me and her at the end).

But this guy? This Skeevering scum of humanity? Well. After I tell him to learn to show respect to people, he continued to spam all-caps messages at me, telling me to uninstall and everything. Needless to say I decided to report him, but he has left such an impact, that the evening was more or less wrecked. Now I don't even want to log on to pick up some stuff on my main since I haven't done that yet.

So yes. The community here I would describe as... Complete and utter ***. Here I thought WoW was bad, at least there the PvE end-game was more accessible and the likelyhood of encountering such vileness was cut down a bit. In this game, it feels like... Well, it feels like a high school full of testosterone-infused frat-boys who are missing a few mind-cells.

I would also like to add one more thing...

You, the person who boldly disrespected my girlfriend in such a brazing way, I want to let you know that if I ever find you again, or just see your face again, I will make sure to do everything I can to get you banned from this game. You do not deserve to play it.

pattyLtd · April 2018

Kalgert wrote: »

I just left from my own little horror story of just what kind of scum you can find in this game.

So, me and my girlfriend have been playing together for quite some time now, and not too long ago she got to the CP stage, and we're now just running normal dungeons so she can rack up CP levels and all that jazz.

Well, recent dungeon we went in to was White-Gold Tower, and everything went smoothly (She died a few times, but that's to be expected in a DLC dungeon against something unfamiliar), but it was all still just fine... Until we got to the last boss.

So, one of the party members (Can't be bothered to remember his name, and even then naming and shaming will get me sued on this forum) decided to become very... Aggressive towards her, using all manner of profanity because she wasn't doing that good (Kind of rich to expect someone who's relatively fresh to end-game to be a master, am I right?), and he was so abusive that she left the game, and left me cold for a while so she could play by herself to calm down a bit (Thankfully it all worked out between me and her at the end).

But this guy? This Skeevering scum of humanity? Well. After I tell him to learn to show respect to people, he continued to spam all-caps messages at me, telling me to uninstall and everything. Needless to say I decided to report him, but he has left such an impact, that the evening was more or less wrecked. Now I don't even want to log on to pick up some stuff on my main since I haven't done that yet.

So yes. The community here I would describe as... Complete and utter ***. Here I thought WoW was bad, at least there the PvE end-game was more accessible and the likelyhood of encountering such vileness was cut down a bit. In this game, it feels like... Well, it feels like a high school full of testosterone-infused frat-boys who are missing a few mind-cells.

I would also like to add one more thing...

You, the person who boldly disrespected my girlfriend in such a brazing way, I want to let you know that if I ever find you again, or just see your face again, I will make sure to do everything I can to get you banned from this game. You do not deserve to play it.

I understand you are angry and i feel sorry for you and your girlfriend to have such a bad experience but you cant write off an entire community as utter *** because of one individual that clearly had some learning todo themselves.

Try to relax its not your fault neither your girlfriends.
Real sorry you had to run into some idiot so early in your dungeon experiences.
Dont let a few morons ruin your fun, logon and carry on what you liked doing together,its no big deal what this one person thinks.

DanteYoda · April 2018

If hard men did not get affected by anything how does one explain PTSD.. Oh right because hard men do get affected..

jerj6925 wrote: »

briflexia wrote: »

So I am sure not one to judge people at all but during my short time period on this game I have definitely ran into quit a few people who talk crap on low levels they play with and I just don’t understand why they do so, if you have such a problem with people why stay in a group with them and not just leave? Yes this is probably a stupid post but for such a beautiful game why do people still have to hate, I may never understand.

Gone with the younger generations is the common decency that used to be the norm, with no accountability for ones actions or words people strive to become the lowest common denominator and take pride in that. More often than not people conduct them selves in a way they would never consider in person or in public... I blame the parents for not raising children better.

Which is again a lack of empathy, taught or otherwise..

Azuramoonstar · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I don't know if its better in other MMO's
But at least in game= I have been repeatedly racially insulted using the N word....
I get insults and rage whispers almost every day of playing PvP(people who are happy to Xv1 you down bit get really salty when you “return the favor“.)
And somehow running in a Organized PvP Group 2-3 times a week makes you a automatically a “NO skill zergling“ (quote by a player who I later killed in a 2vs2 with a buddy of mine)
People in PvP usually say “get gut noob“ after getting steamrolled in a duell (by a werewolf) or say “take off Set X or Y“ without wanting to sacrifice anything in return.....
In short if my working colleagues would behave the way some people behave in this game (especially Cyrodiil) they would BE FIRED ON THE SPOT!

@Mangeli200194, not sure what your profession is, but I think the boss also might frown on the practice of trying to siege the adjacent office building and literally eliminate the competition?

Anyway, in my experience, people generally get what they give. Anyone making assumptions about a player, tagging them negatively as nOOb, elitist, or anything in between is doing the same thing. No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced any more than they should have to apologize for being a highly skilled player. Bias and stereotype can go both ways, and both are usually wrong.

Again, with no context in the OP, there's no way to know.

What if the job description is to eliminate the competition ?

No one should have to apologize for being inexperienced, but when someone (inexperienced) is given the opportunity to grow and actively refuse it, choosing instead to lash out at the people offering guidance... that person will receive no sympathy from me.

But, yeah, this whole thread is highly speculative, since hardly any context was given.

big difference between OFFERING (aka : want some tips/advice) and shoving it down peoples throats (aka:play like this because i said so. it is the meta play) you can't force people to play like you and "learn". I can't tell you how often i got bad advise in mmo, and got threaten to be kicked if I didn't follow it.

As long as a person is playing there role, and working as a teammate how they build/play there character is there choice.

Meta's change, and are not always the most optimal.