What you really mean is: should the CP requirements be raised?

I can see why ZOS settled on CP 160 as the moment they stop blocking content in the groupfinder. Its the gear cap, and at that point, you can't say the player can't obtain the gears and skills they need to complete vet content, even if the experience and CP aren't there yet.

Yes, because maybe then groupfinder would work for dlc dungeons.

While I agree that you need more experience to do some of the harder vet dungeons, stopping players from accessing it is just kicking sand in their faces.

ZOS have created a problem where it is so quick and easy to get to cp160, with enlightenment, XP pots, etc., that most people don't have the skills they need to complete some of this stuff. It is not their fault.

Case in point to some of the above posts: Scalecaller Peak, when it was a pledge a few days ago.
Was running it on Normal in a PUG; I was DPS (currently 416CP), and the other DD was 300CP.
We wiped on the Gargoyle boss. Twice. The other DD left the dungeon and the Finder netted us a level 49. Who completed the remainder of the dungeon without a death, if I remember correctly. So CP is definitely no indication of skill.

The group finder default changes to vet when it opens up. Easy to miss when you first get to that level, I know that I ended up in some vet runs when I did not want to. Knew I was still working on the gear.

The default should remain as normal and it take an extra action to queue for vet. Could reduce the issue.

They should make it a requirement to beat normal mode dungeons before trying the vet dungeons of the same dungeon. Also maybe some sort of unlocking system where if you beat certain dungeons then it unlocks other dungeons based on difficulty. Also they need to fix up the UI. Also improve the grouping system.

I've seen people with 500+CP do the lowest DPS. Even on easy dungeons like vet elden hollow. CP doesn't mean anything if the player doesn't know how to play.

At the end of the day though if you don't like that possibility of playing with someone who is going to be slower or not as knowledgeable when it comes to the game, you are better off playing with people who you can rely on.

I actually would not mind this. Several times I have witnessed or heard of someone being kicked because they were "to low" CP wise. To avoid this why not just implement so all the 700 CP and above get in one category. Then 500 - 700 CP get one category. Then 200-500CP and lastly 1-200CP. (Don't recall what you start on, if it's one CP or 10 or even 50.) And the categories work so that you only que with people in range of yourself.

It's vet dungeons, a bit harder than normal once. Seems like a bit more is at stake when it comes to getting a good group.

Yes at least cp160, cos under cp160 I always use training traits and random dropped gears with random skills for levelling the skill tree, so it should only play normal dungeons not vet. Vet should be played with proper gear otherwise you are wasting other people time or being a baggage not pulling your weight.

I would much rather there was some clever maths and database queries going on that assessed people's suitability for Tank and Healer roles rather than limit people by CP. I had a similar experience to one of the other posts above where we kept wiping on Vet Fang Lair because the "Healer" didn't drop a single heal but rather kept dying all of the time. Once they were kicked we got a Level 47 player and he/she healed perfectly and didn't wipe again. That player witnessed and took part in the mechanics of the Vet dungeon and increased his/her knowledge for next time they run it. I've also experienced this with a level 40ish Tank who was an experienced player just playing on an alt

If you have a CP300 player does not mean they know how to run a dungeon. I didn't do my first PUG Vet Dungeon until CP250ish and I was useless, (DPS), but now I can hold my own fairly well because of the practice and understanding that if the Healer can't heal either kick them, muddle through if it's possible or walk and ask some guild members to schedule a run.

CP160, but not more. I've seen players lower than that in dungeons and they are literally useless for several reasons:
- most of them are very inexperienced, you can literally hit CP in less than a week just playing the game, and considerably less if you grind; during double XP events it's less than a day.
- the "baby fat" that buffs your stats under level 50 has worn off, but the stat buffs from CP are still very low, so their stats will be at their lowest
- they most likely lack the skill points to spec passives so that drives their performance even lower since they haven't had time to gather sufficient shards and quests to get the bare minimum (100-120 skill points)
- most of them have bad gear since there's no reason to gear up properly before you hit the maximum gear tier and you are constantly outleveling your gear.
- additionally if they get a good drop, trait wise, it will be useless for the other group members; that's actually the main reason you never take under CP160 in nTrial or Dungeon farm runs.

So a CP160 minimum requirement for queuing solo in the tool is common sense IMO, especially for part 2 veteran dungeons. But if they queue as part of a full 4 man group created manually they should be able to use the tool.

Just add a ? Near the 'veteran' and when you click on it it explain you how it is hard.

And after lv 50 the dg finder is by default on vet difficulty, you can change with normal if needed.

But after the skill adviser, we should have less hybrid NB heavy armor13k healer. In my opinion, a higher cp rank is not needed.

Not needed. There is already a restriction on the DLC dungeons and thats fine.

If you want a minimum level group then form a group from guildies, friends or zone.

I've been put in random groups that failed hard due to low cp inexperienced players. It sucks but that's the risk of random queue.

Anecdote time. My wife recently started playing and got to cp levels on the weekend. She wanted to try a veteran dungeon. So I grabbed a friend who recently returned (after a year) to the game, jumped onto my healer and proceeded into a vet dungeon.

A cp20 and cp200 dps and me on my max healer 3 manned the dungeon with only 2 wipes.
Group dps was a massive 20k.
There was no difference between the cp20 and cp200 performance.

Now sure, it was vet coa1 and I carried them through, but the point is:
If you want a minimum level group, use guildies, friends or zone.

CP has very little, if nothing to do with skill.

There should not be but it would be better that there is some system that prevents unprepared and unskilled people from entering especially the DLC dungeons. I dont like my own position on this as i generally believe the openness is one of ESOs strengths but it happens too often someone needs to be kicked from (DLC) vet dungeons.

I dont like kicking and luckily some people can see for themselves that they dont have the knowledge / skills to continue the dungeon that day but the huge difference in dungeon difficulty between some easy vet dungeons and some DLC dungeons sometimes makes kicking the only option left.

Some sort of char/player progression tracking system would help but its not the CP that is the only factor; there are cp720 people that perform much worse than cp160 or even lower people that can stay alive and give reasonable damage output or good heals/tanking