Thanks for allowing Skyshards to be brought to other characters. Thread closed.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Sardath wrote: »

Owondyah wrote: »

No, no, no and no...

General NO to all account wide stuff.
Opinions and wishes such as that brought the mmo genre to state we have now. Casualized, dumbed down dps races...

Yes, and clicking 400 rocks for the 10th time is so HARDCORE. That one time, you wouldn't believe what happened to me when I tried to get a Skyshard - I *** you not, but I MISSCLICKED. It was the most intense thing ever. Never mind vet trials - those are for babies. Real men click rocks and books for hours to no end, because that's HARDCORE, DEEP and ENGAGING content.

And there goes another sarcasm meter...

I need to order these things in bulk for around here.

Violynne · March 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

I'll answer this. It has nothing to do with "not playing the game" and everything to do with playing the game.

I'm working on my third character. When she hit level 50, I got tons of CP points without doing a thing to get them. Now, she's well below her skillset because she lacks the skill points needed to improve them.

I'm now doing what thousands have done before me: Skyshard farming. You know this is true because people recommend it when building alt characters.

Tonight, I hit Bankorai. Cleared out Stonefalls, Deshaan, Shadowfen, The Rift, Eastmarch, and Glenumbra over the weekend.

I have every intention of going through the quests these lands offer, but I sure as hell won't do it without my skills.

The old game required alts to grind because Veteran levels weren't account wide.

The new game made vast changes and allows CP points to be account wide.

The lack of account wide Skyshards in the new model is a flaw which needs to be corrected.

Until they correct this, Skyshard farming is our only option.

I disagree with the Lorebooks, though. These should be earned through exploration by a new alt.

Slick_007 · March 2018

as someone with a noob i can tell you, you have more skill points than you can spend excluding crafting even without a bunch of skyshards. You get extra points from doing the main quest, public dungeons, some other quests. You'll have spare points and nowhere to put them. there is no reason to share them

Ley · March 2018

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Reginald, fetch my beating stick. The horse isn't quite dead.

Thanks Reginald.

@AzraelKrieg
Sir your horse is a camel.

SergeantJinx · March 2018

No no no no no......

SatanicSister · March 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Skyshards grant skill points and lorebooks grant some experience in mages guild skill like. So there is no point in making them account wide. You are supposed to play the game and achieve skill points and stuff, not get them all just because you are too lazy to collect them.

Sitting down and playing a game...."lazy".....what?

I work for a living, so when it's time to game, I want to game. Not run around for hours clicking on rocks and books that Ive already spent hours clicking on once.

I also worked for a living before I had my daughter. She's 8 months old so I don't have that much free time on my hands. So don't come saying that because you have a full time job you've "earned" everything in ESO to be immediately unlocked because you have already done it before. Playing alts is your choice, deal with it.

Aurie · March 2018

NO.

Where's the fun in starting a new character, and half of everything you explored the world for and collected with your other toons has now already had the box ticked?

It doesn't matter how many times you appear to have to repeat content with new toons....there are always loads of things that you missed on your previous incarnations. I would hate to be deprived of the reason to sally forth and discover all that stuff you didn't find on those occasions.

Jade1986 · March 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable.

Uhm. No.

I've just about 'finished' my main character in every way that I currently can - most content save end-game PvE and Cyrodiil - a couple of days ago, and have been aimlessly wandering around since, trying to figure out what to do. Took me a couple of minutes before I realized I could hop onto one of my other beloved characters, and start skyshard hunting to get him the skill points he needs for some exciting plans that I have. So I did. And I like that skyshard hunting, because I'll do the delves, dolmens etc. that I come across while running from one to the other.. Do some gathering on the way, some quests here and there. I love the overland areas so running around in them is by no means a punishment for me. All good fun.

Making those skyshards (and lorebooks) account-wide would completely ruin that experience. It would also take away any incentive for those new characters to step into any delve (among others), as they already got the skyshard from their main character. Boo.

P.S.: I have never met a new user who instantly (or even soon-ish, for that matter) started working on alts. So I don't see how new users get burnt-out from having to 'grind' other characters. My experience with new players is that they generally stick to their first for some time. Most people I've seen asking for account-wide skyshards were long-time players focussed on PvP, who did not look forward to making yet another run across the continent just to get their nth character viable/ready for whatever purpose they had in mind.

Same argument they had in swtor with datacrons, and look what happened. Its just a matter of time because it would be a huge QoL improvement.

It would be for you. It would be a huge loss to alt enjoyment for me.

Regardless, it is a QoL improvement.

Jade1986 · March 2018

Ozby wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It really is not going to happen.

Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.

GW2 does

SWTOR does this too. And I am actualyl really missing that feature.

Jade1986 · March 2018

Sardath wrote: »

Owondyah wrote: »

No, no, no and no...

General NO to all account wide stuff.
Opinions and wishes such as that brought the mmo genre to state we have now. Casualized, dumbed down dps races...

Yes, and clicking 400 rocks for the 10th time is so HARDCORE. That one time, you wouldn't believe what happened to me when I tried to get a Skyshard - I *** you not, but I MISSCLICKED. It was the most intense thing ever. Never mind vet trials - those are for babies. Real men click rocks and books for hours to no end, because that's HARDCORE, DEEP and ENGAGING content.

I legit lol'd at this.

AlnilamE · March 2018

Ozby wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It really is not going to happen.

Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.

GW2 does

And I have 3 Max level boosts sitting in my inventory in GW2 and never used them.

However, if you look at GW2 as an example, the level boost only gives you the Hero Points you get from leveling. You don't get the Hero Points your other characters collected in the world. And Hero Points are the equivalent of Skill points since that's what you need for your build.

Meanwhile, Masteries are account-wide, but you only earn Mastery XP on characters that are level 80.

Someone proposed having the skyshards/lorebooks marked on the map after they were discovered by the first character. I think that's a good compromise.

AlnilamE · March 2018

Violynne wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

I'll answer this. It has nothing to do with "not playing the game" and everything to do with playing the game.

I'm working on my third character. When she hit level 50, I got tons of CP points without doing a thing to get them. Now, she's well below her skillset because she lacks the skill points needed to improve them.

I'm now doing what thousands have done before me: Skyshard farming. You know this is true because people recommend it when building alt characters.

Tonight, I hit Bankorai. Cleared out Stonefalls, Deshaan, Shadowfen, The Rift, Eastmarch, and Glenumbra over the weekend.

I have every intention of going through the quests these lands offer, but I sure as hell won't do it without my skills.

The old game required alts to grind because Veteran levels weren't account wide.

The new game made vast changes and allows CP points to be account wide.

The lack of account wide Skyshards in the new model is a flaw which needs to be corrected.

Until they correct this, Skyshard farming is our only option.

I disagree with the Lorebooks, though. These should be earned through exploration by a new alt.

I have leveled 8 characters to 50 and beyond and I have never felt the need to hunt skyshards before I do overland questing.

I just make sure the zone is cleared of skyshards/lorebooks/quests before I move to the next one.

Kuramas9tails · March 2018

Defilted wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Make it so the locations are added to your map account wide after discovering the location of a skyshard or lore book.

There is an addon for that and you dont even need to discover locations first. In fact addons significantly enhance gameplay so much i would never dream of playing this game on console. Skyshard, lore book, quest locations...harvestmap, awesomeguildstore, mastermerchant, craftstore, TTC... i could go on. I cant imagine playing the game without all those addons that make the game much more bearable.

XBOX

@Defilted I find it funny that it says "XBOX" in your signature and PC players STILL suggest the Add-Ons.

"Can we get this, Zos?"
"There's an add-on for that"
"But I have a PS-"
"Add-On"
"ok cool but...."
"PC MASTER RACE"

Jade1986 · March 2018

SatanicSister wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Skyshards grant skill points and lorebooks grant some experience in mages guild skill like. So there is no point in making them account wide. You are supposed to play the game and achieve skill points and stuff, not get them all just because you are too lazy to collect them.

Sitting down and playing a game...."lazy".....what?

I work for a living, so when it's time to game, I want to game. Not run around for hours clicking on rocks and books that Ive already spent hours clicking on once.

I also worked for a living before I had my daughter. She's 8 months old so I don't have that much free time on my hands. So don't come saying that because you have a full time job you've "earned" everything in ESO to be immediately unlocked because you have already done it before. Playing alts is your choice, deal with it.

just a quick piece of helpful info. Typing " deal with it " at the ends of your post makes you come across as very aggressive.

AnviOfVai · March 2018

I still don't have meteor 2 years later. lol

Violynne · March 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

I have leveled 8 characters to 50 and beyond and I have never felt the need to hunt skyshards before I do overland questing.

Many people are in the same position as you, but you've also been playing the game for some time as well.

The old version was set up to allow people the choice to either make alts or allow respecs of a single character. This is evidenced by the number of total Skyshards in the game.

But those days are long over and people don't have to "respec" a single character anymore. Alts are much faster to level up, but this comes at a cost of the lack of skill points needed for the increased leveling.

Right now, my biggest issue is I still have skills locked because I haven't leveled up my skill tree enough to unlock them. I see no reason to waste exp replaying zones which offer a total of 15 shards (5 skill points each).

It's just much easier to skyshard farm and have the points ready so I'm not losing either exp or time while I replay the zone.

I think there's a misunderstanding to believe people who want account wide skyshards will ignore the rest of the game. I'm sure there will be some who do, but I play every zone with every character.

I hate seeing empty maps on my characters.

SatanicSister · March 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Skyshards grant skill points and lorebooks grant some experience in mages guild skill like. So there is no point in making them account wide. You are supposed to play the game and achieve skill points and stuff, not get them all just because you are too lazy to collect them.

Sitting down and playing a game...."lazy".....what?

I work for a living, so when it's time to game, I want to game. Not run around for hours clicking on rocks and books that Ive already spent hours clicking on once.

I also worked for a living before I had my daughter. She's 8 months old so I don't have that much free time on my hands. So don't come saying that because you have a full time job you've "earned" everything in ESO to be immediately unlocked because you have already done it before. Playing alts is your choice, deal with it.

just a quick piece of helpful info. Typing " deal with it " at the ends of your post makes you come across as very aggressive.

Not aggressive but tired and annoyed. I really should stop coming here because every other topic is about people wanting things for nothing because they have "earned" them and they are "entitled" to free stuff. I'm also not asking people to play my way (as someone stated before), I am merely saying that you really should just play the game as it was designed.

lucky_Sage · March 2018

I think we should of been able to put lore books in are house so we still read them but only home account can to lvl mages guild

@Zos this would be only when we find the full sets and given to use from the mages guild for helping complete there library. NOT 5000 CROWNS TO GET MAGES GUILD TO LVL 10

Maura_Neysa · March 2018

No

No Skyshads account wide.
No Lore Books account wide
No motif account wide. Especially since Outfitting is account wide.
No mount upgrades account wide.
No Ledgermen, Theives Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Armor Sets account wide
No anything that actually effects gameplay. None of that account wide.

Two reasons for this.
- People are A.D.D. and wont spend the time to learn the new class. Took my 3rd character to get past lvl 20. Didn't like how DK played. Now that 2nd character is a vet Trials level DK healer. Came back to it once I understood ESO better.
- Flavor of the month. We dont need everyone tuning their last month BiS build into this months. Think about how bad things were with Morrowind when the only class anywhere to be found was a Vipers/Selenes NB. If you didnt work for your build you dont deserve to run it, simple as that.

Aurie · March 2018

Maybe because opinion is so divided on this subject, ZOS could make it possible to choose one way or the other, when a new character is created.

Juju_beans · March 2018

MAEK wrote: »

idk wrote: »

...!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons...

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

...Not going into how broken it would be to start a new character and have a plethora of skill points...

Could someone please explain to me why this would be bad? I mean, you don't really have anything to spend those skillpoints on when you're low leveled.

At low levels you have to make choices on what skills to pick as skill points don't come quick and easy.
Imagine hav

Tetrafy wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Sorry no - play the game.

Want Alts then run the content. No reason to have a MAXed level character just because you have played through the content before.

Pretty obvious reason?

What will stop someone from creating hundreds of maxed out crafter toons to get daily materials etc.

Maxed out crafter toons? You realize lorebooks and skill points would have nothing to do with levelling your crafts to 50 right? Also the same reason people dont have that many npw ots behind a paywall.

With all the skill points acquired via skyshards a level 1 hitting level 2 can put 3 points into each of the crafting hirelings.
They won't just have 1 point to spend..they will have hundreds of points to spend.
Buy a bunch of intricate gear/weapons and yes..they can max out to 50 in no time.

Ley · March 2018

I imagine if ZOS ever catered to the people who are asking for easy mode alts they would charge crowns for it.

X crowns per zone to unlock shards for that zone
Y crowns to gain level in guild skill line

They already do basically offer this for riding skill, crafting research, and motifs that can be bought in crown store.

For the record, I hope they never add this.

Jade1986 · March 2018

SatanicSister wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

SatanicSister wrote: »

Skyshards grant skill points and lorebooks grant some experience in mages guild skill like. So there is no point in making them account wide. You are supposed to play the game and achieve skill points and stuff, not get them all just because you are too lazy to collect them.

Sitting down and playing a game...."lazy".....what?

I work for a living, so when it's time to game, I want to game. Not run around for hours clicking on rocks and books that Ive already spent hours clicking on once.

I also worked for a living before I had my daughter. She's 8 months old so I don't have that much free time on my hands. So don't come saying that because you have a full time job you've "earned" everything in ESO to be immediately unlocked because you have already done it before. Playing alts is your choice, deal with it.

just a quick piece of helpful info. Typing " deal with it " at the ends of your post makes you come across as very aggressive.

Not aggressive but tired and annoyed. I really should stop coming here because every other topic is about people wanting things for nothing because they have "earned" them and they are "entitled" to free stuff. I'm also not asking people to play my way (as someone stated before), I am merely saying that you really should just play the game as it was designed.

But the game isnt the same game anymore as how it was designed. Many things were found to be far too tedious so they were changed as a QoL improvement. Many other games had collectibles that increased your stats dramatically. SWTOr for example. And after a while the devs realized its unreasonable for new players to have to find all the datacrons with every single toon. So it was changed. The same counter arguments were always made there too.

The entitlement argument

The laziness argument.

Ultimately though, devs understood it was a pain, and their cartel store was far far FAR greedier than this game.

Hanokihs · March 2018

I agree with op; I'm sick of having to collect random junk every time I roll an alt. Allegedly "playing the game" is keeping me from playing the game. Instead of jumping into new characters, trying new builds, and learning to play better tanks and healers, I always end up going straight back to the Sorc DPS character I started with. When I get bored, there's no exploration; I shut the game off. I don't get invested in new toons, which means I'm not spending money on them for accessories in the crown shop, and that means they're not taking my money. This can't possibly be a good business plan.

I just don't consider tedious collecting, over and over, to be entertaining gameplay. Especially if it's all just the same identical song and dance. It's not challenging or compelling. Just boring. Replace it with something meaningful or at the very least more randomized, and that's a whole 'nother story.

Juju_beans · March 2018

Rather than ask for account wide this and account wide that (plenty of other threads asking for them) just ask for a crown store instant cp720 character fully maxed out to be bought.

Avalon · March 2018

Slick_007 wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

I definitely agree with the skyshard part, because, Cyrodiil. Screw that place. I already hate PvP to begin with... but, often, my side doesn’t control hardly anything, so, hunting shards becomes near impossible.

you obviously dont go there often. its so far from impossible except for 4 shards behind the gates. out of 45. the other 41 are so easily accessible to solo players to make the claim you did just shows how much you dont know about cyrodiil

So, all the hundreds of times I’ve tried to go get those SS, and was like, “just over there...” and get tanked by a couple of ***? Yeah, you and I have very different Cyridiil experiences, so, how about you drop the act, and understand not everyone walks in there and just runs free. Some of us hate PvP-Land for a very real reason, and as a result, have no experience with it other than dying over and over. I personally find that I can last maybe 5 minutes if I do all I can to avoid fights or ambush-looking areas, but, even then, I still get dropped.

I’ve been playing the game since it launched on PC, did a transfer... and STILL haven’t gotten all of the SS in Cyrodiil. But, I’m thinking your next reply will probably (based on this one) be something like, “Lolz, GG & QQ”

Hokiewa · March 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable.

Uhm. No.

I've just about 'finished' my main character in every way that I currently can - most content save end-game PvE and Cyrodiil - a couple of days ago, and have been aimlessly wandering around since, trying to figure out what to do. Took me a couple of minutes before I realized I could hop onto one of my other beloved characters, and start skyshard hunting to get him the skill points he needs for some exciting plans that I have. So I did. And I like that skyshard hunting, because I'll do the delves, dolmens etc. that I come across while running from one to the other.. Do some gathering on the way, some quests here and there. I love the overland areas so running around in them is by no means a punishment for me. All good fun.

Making those skyshards (and lorebooks) account-wide would completely ruin that experience. It would also take away any incentive for those new characters to step into any delve (among others), as they already got the skyshard from their main character. Boo.

P.S.: I have never met a new user who instantly (or even soon-ish, for that matter) started working on alts. So I don't see how new users get burnt-out from having to 'grind' other characters. My experience with new players is that they generally stick to their first for some time. Most people I've seen asking for account-wide skyshards were long-time players focussed on PvP, who did not look forward to making yet another run across the continent just to get their nth character viable/ready for whatever purpose they had in mind.

Same argument they had in swtor with datacrons, and look what happened. Its just a matter of time because it would be a huge QoL improvement.

It would be for you. It would be a huge loss to alt enjoyment for me.

Then make it a toggle?

Violynne · March 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

Rather than ask for account wide this and account wide that (plenty of other threads asking for them) just ask for a crown store instant cp720 character fully maxed out to be bought.

Considering the price table on the current items, this would cost people $1.2 million.

regime211 · March 2018

Radinyn wrote: »

No

No? You must be trolling please don't tell me you ENJOY grinding those damn books every toon? They SHOULD be account wide! however you still would have to farm and use sky shards to unlock the skills.

Marginis · March 2018

I think there's a LOT of things that should behave like champion points. Get max level in Mages Guild, get all the books added to your lore library. Get Soul Magic to max level, get all the skillpoints from skyshards you've collected on other characters.

I mean if nothing else, the option to do this would be great, and reason for me to use characters other than only my main character. I have 14 more, and I barely play them because my heart's just not in it when I look at everything I'm missing. It feels like having your account deleted and having to start from scratch. If that happened you'd never see me touch a TES game again for years, let alone ESO ever again.

It's not like you're giving too much power to anyone either, at least this way. You'd still have to get, as per the example, Mages Guild to max rank, to recollect all the books. Not like you would have them right away. You could even take this a bit further, and not just give them too you, but maybe mark them on your map, like addons do (on PC). You wouldn't be gaining anything players can't already do (on PC), and it might be a little bit of fun roleplay-wise, like one of your characters made a treasure map for your other characters.