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The Nightblade Nerfs are coming, better let the good ones negotiate the changes
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ok, simple question, which players experience should they consider? If I state everyone in all 10 of my guilds, on both Xbox and ps4 has the same experience as I, does that trump the experience of 4 players?
Don't you understand, the increase in number is only a symptom that NBs are overperfoming.
The actual reason why nbs will be nerfed is because they perform too good
Again, from MY experience, there is no increase in nb's, in fact it's the exact opposite. So which players experience should be taken to heart when considering nerfs?
Not based on the damn numbers!!! Get it into your brain the numbers mean nothing for actual balance but they are an indicant for balance issues but they do not determine if a class is op alone
The actual combat performance is what matters and this is where nightblades are overperfoming.
It would really help your argument/discussion on balance if you presented your numbers in the first post of the thread with more accurate detail. Then the focus wouldn't be on misinformation that you are presenting, but what you have to say about balance. Right now the first post of the thread is weakened by the fact that your numbers are presented as speaking for all of Cyrodiil.
Why not simply mention in an update to your original post that those are your own personal observation numbers that specifically speak to your own experience?0 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 3:17PM0 -
Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok, simple question, which players experience should they consider? If I state everyone in all 10 of my guilds, on both Xbox and ps4 has the same experience as I, does that trump the experience of 4 players?
Don't you understand, the increase in number is only a symptom that NBs are overperfoming.
The actual reason why nbs will be nerfed is because they perform too good
Again, from MY experience, there is no increase in nb's, in fact it's the exact opposite. So which players experience should be taken to heart when considering nerfs?
Not based on the damn numbers!!! Get it into your brain the numbers mean nothing for actual balance but they are an indicant for balance issues but they do not determine if a class is op alone
The actual combat performance is what matters and this is where nightblades are overperfoming.
proof????
look at the boards at vMA, nothing OP NB there, but a lot others!!
vMSA is not an indication for class Balance.
and still no proof!
and vMA is of course an indicator, because only there you will find the best of the best!
and not near wayshrine, where some nerds are "duelling" each other and then think from their little playtime they can force a whole game to change classes, because they are that awesome that it is not possible to die!
VMA -- do the leader boards have many of the same player names each week, or do the players names constantly change. Also, do the leader boards distinguish between a magblade / stamblade ... or just the generic version of the class.
VMA is easier if you have done it enough times to have memorized the spawn points and the order in which the mobs spawn. It's faster to get through it when you can self-heal while doing damage and when skills/abilities can be fired off smoothly in your rotation (as opposed to having a clunky rotation). People on the leader boards aren't there because their class is OP. It's because they've been doing the content for a very very long time and know it by heart, they have nimble fingers, and good reaction time. If you are going for 'score' you do everything you can to get every little advantage. .. anything that will shave off a few more seconds. If you can press 1 button and do damage while heal at the same time ... well .. do you really need me to spell it out? NBs may be very efficient, but that doesn't make them OP.Edited by Maryal on March 22, 2018 3:18PM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.5 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 4:05PM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 4:16PM0 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.Edited by StaticWave on March 22, 2018 4:40PM4 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.0 -
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✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.
Seriously, have you tried the class? It is not an "I win" button, it requires A LOT of practice. By the way, you can't cloak + crit heal unless it's a HoT. Anytime you heal while cloaked you are revealed.I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ?
Please, don't lie. Cloak last 2.9 secs (on HA) and each lethal arrow takes one second channel. So after you cloak you have to wait 2 secs to be able to fire the first arrow.
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ? Almost everyone playing other classes full of exaggeration and misinformation.Only people playing NB main are correct. Others are all trash. NBs are completely destroying the PVP with broken and broken skills. You cannot refute a fact that everyone agrees. Remove OP and broken elements from NB. Cyrodil and PVP will recover. Tell to new bies and noobs the word " Learn to play" . Dont tell words "Learn to play with a broken OP class" It has no merit and no one even listen.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 5:21PM2 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ?Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.
Seriously, have you tried the class? It is not an "I win" button, it requires A LOT of practice. By the way, you can't cloak + crit heal unless it's a HoT. Anytime you heal while cloaked you are revealed.I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ?
Please, don't lie. Cloak last 2.9 secs (on HA) and each lethal arrow takes one second channel. So after you cloak you have to wait 2 secs to be able to fire the first arrow.
Do your maths before complaining
I already playing the class in kyne and battleground. I know how OP it is. Just few more levels to level 50. NB is a broken class. No matter how hard NBs cry & whine. No one going to agree.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 5:49PM1 -
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Someone got ganked.
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »I think stam warden and mag sorc are OP but don't come to the forums and create a post about them every day.
Someone got ganked.
Go ahead. You should take lead. Put magicka sorc & templars are OP. People will laugh. No one cares. Other classes are fine. DK is little bit harder to kill if he is tank. But its ok and no where near OP No one see a issue here.
NP is not even overpowered. Its completely broken to point to ruin PVP.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 5:32PM0 -
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »I think stam warden and mag sorc are OP but don't come to the forums and create a post about them every day.
Someone got ganked.
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✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ?Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.
Seriously, have you tried the class? It is not an "I win" button, it requires A LOT of practice. By the way, you can't cloak + crit heal unless it's a HoT. Anytime you heal while cloaked you are revealed.I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ?
Please, don't lie. Cloak last 2.9 secs (on HA) and each lethal arrow takes one second channel. So after you cloak you have to wait 2 secs to be able to fire the first arrow.
Do your maths before complaining
I already playing the class in kyne and I know how OP it is. Just few more levels to level 50. NB is a broken class. No matter how hard NBs cry & whine. No one going to agree.
Since when is Kyne a parameter to meassure anything? I'm sure the class is quite OP against newbies with no CPSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.2 -
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 5:51PM0 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
These templars and magdks are either killable or they can't kill you. A nightblade can kite you= being unkillable and nuke you in a second. If the other classes want to be able to do that they are also dead in one second with much worse kiting and survivability0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
On demand burst heal ? I not even gone beyond this point. Because, no use. Cloak + critical heal you are good, table changed in battle. NB has guaranteed critical you dont know that ? He forgot to mention major defile on target, that target even cannot heal.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 5:53PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die.
NB is the only class that will 100% escape a situation when faced with a fight is not going their waz if the player is somewhat capable and uses shade + cloak regardless of the enemy they´re fighting.Edited by Derra on March 22, 2018 5:53PM<Noricum>
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✭✭From what I can tell the general argument is:
- Incap has too much
- Cloak is too spammable for stamina characters
- Cloak shouldn’t crit heal
- Lethal arrow is too strong combined with cloak
- Fear is best CC
- Dodge roll is too strong with cloak
- NB reset fights too much
I disagree with most of it.
-Incap I feel does have a bit too much, I never use soul harvest in PvP because the knockdown is too valueable. For how cheap it is I feel decreasing the knockdown to a stun would help fight reactively. Also possibly reducing the defile would change the opinions of it but that may be too much.
Honestly I use soul tether so I’m biased towards it, others who are more experienced with stamblade (another thing is I am a magblade).
- Cloak is fine, Plenty of counters imo. And Stan builds that run high may regen are reaping the benefits of sacrificing elsewhere.
- Fear is wonky. When it works it’s amazing but if it bugs out it’s worthless.
- Resetting fights is something that mobile classes can do, Sorcs can BE or run if they have good sprint bonuses, so I see no reason to attack NB on their reset capabilities. If you didn’t prepare to fight cloak or shades then thats on you. It’s like fighting a DK without purge.
Not going to comment on lethal arrow.
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ? Almost everyone playing other classes full of exaggeration and misinformation.Only people playing NB main are correct. Others are all trash. NBs are completely destroying the PVP with broken and broken skills. You cannot refute a fact that everyone agrees. Remove OP and broken elements from NB. Cyrodil and PVP will recover. Tell to new bies and noobs the word " Learn to play" . Dont tell words "Learn to play with a broken OP class" It has no merit and no one even listen.
Don’t worry I will post the video once I get home. I never once stated that people who play other classes are full of exaggeration and misinformation, nor did I say only Nb mains are correct. I simply pointed out the exaggeration in your post, since all you did was claiming “Nbs are broken, Nbs are OP”. Yet you did not show one proof that Nbs are any better than other classes. I, on the other hand, can tell you why Nbs are not broken.
The only people who agree with you are those who get ganked by Nbs in cyrodill, or lose to them in 1v1s. Any good player will know that it doesnt matter how strong a class is, if you’re not good you will fail regardless. I rarely lose to a stamwarden despite people claiming it to be “broken”. But I’ve lost to good stamwardens who know what they’re doing. You can’t make a claim about a class based on your biased view. I’ve made the same mistake when wardens came to PvP.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ?Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.
Seriously, have you tried the class? It is not an "I win" button, it requires A LOT of practice. By the way, you can't cloak + crit heal unless it's a HoT. Anytime you heal while cloaked you are revealed.I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ?
Please, don't lie. Cloak last 2.9 secs (on HA) and each lethal arrow takes one second channel. So after you cloak you have to wait 2 secs to be able to fire the first arrow.
Do your maths before complaining
I already playing the class in kyne and battleground. I know how OP it is. Just few more levels to level 50. NB is a broken class. No matter how hard NBs cry & whine. No one going to agree.
So you base your entire claim off of a few hours in kyne, where the pvp population consists of new players? This is why I do not take forumers like you seriously.0
