Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Yasha wrote: »

Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Templar yes but I am heals only no DPS skills. I want to play as a healer. The game should not hinder this. It should compliment my choices. If I can only defeat the boss in one skill set then this means that the game is broken as it is advertised that you can play how you want to play. If I can not play how I want and progress through the game (within reason) Then this is clearly outside of what was advertised and the scope of the vision they painted for us.

Eilianna wrote: »

I hope I can help as I give insight to my own encounter with Doshira and how I handled it as a DK tank. Took me all of 5 minutes to down her.

1) Move her off the platform and to the stairway.

2) Use the stairs to kite her around and away from her orbs giving you time to kill them, they have very little HP and killing one gives you full HP.

3) She has facing issues, meaning she will not snap your direction to fire off her lil land crawling whatever that is. Circle strafe is your friend here.

4) Note when the orbs appear. There will be 4 at least every time she yanks you off the ground and siphons your essence. This is your queue to turn about and tab target the orbs. Do not worry about taking damage here as each orb will heal you to full instantly.

5) If you are not killing the orbs in one shot, you might want to consider leaving and upgrading some gear. I encountered her at level 11 with some mix of level 8-10 gear and a level 10 weapon. I had all tanking traits active with no dps ones. The choices you make while leveling should reflect that sometimes you will be soloing some boss encounters. Spend your skill points wisely.

Awesome but uhm there is no stairs. There also is no platform she is in the back of a cave. I had a spelling Error it is really called Doshia.

Somehow I think without the stairs and platform it will not work..

Valwardon wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Templar yes but I am heals only no DPS skills. I want to play as a healer. The game should not hinder this. It should compliment my choices. If I can only defeat the boss in one skill set then this means that the game is broken as it is advertised that you can play how you want to play. If I can not play how I want and progress through the game (within reason) Then this is clearly outside of what was advertised and the scope of the vision they painted for us.

Sorry but playing a pure healer without any damage/complimentary skills is not reasonable at all.
What will happen is that most probably you will run out of magicka and be a dead weight to the group.
There's no such thing as pure healer in TESO, anyone can heal through the restoration staff skill line, this while also supporting the group in other ways.
Skill points are not an excuse as there is plenty of them to have a very viable build even when maxing the healing stuf. I know, I have a Templar, I heal and kick ass in the meantime.
Probably the difficulty here is adapting from other games where healers just heal but this is ESO - it's different.

It took me two tries to kill that boss as a Dragon Knight Tank, first attempt left me feeling like it would be impossible, but i ended up using my chain pull to destroy the orbs lol which enabled me to kill the boss.

Valwardon wrote: »

Eilianna wrote: »

Valwardon wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Templar yes but I am heals only no DPS skills. I want to play as a healer. The game should not hinder this. It should compliment my choices. If I can only defeat the boss in one skill set then this means that the game is broken as it is advertised that you can play how you want to play. If I can not play how I want and progress through the game (within reason) Then this is clearly outside of what was advertised and the scope of the vision they painted for us.

This is actually the root of your issue right here. Now granted, you can indeed choose to completely forgo any kind of DPS skill. But that is not the intent behind class design, at all. Even in group dungeons the healer will have to do things to help with dps. You can slap on a 2 hand and dps. You can sword n board. You can equip a DPS staff and auto attack using the staffs attack. Even the healing staffs have DPS auto attacks.

Need to start thinking outside the box hun.

I should not have to think outside the box. I should be able to play how I like.

Oh lord.

Let me tell you something. You can play this game naked and weaponless. It's perfectly possible. Is it smart? No. Will it get you killed? Yes. Should devs cater to people who want to run around naked? Obviously not.

If you want to focus on healing and only healing, without any damage skills, knock yourself out. But don't be surprised when you can't kill enemies. Healing mobs to death isn't a viable combat tactic.

@Zargorius

Took the words right outta my mouth. It is kinda fun seeing people that thought they were good at MMO's whining like this over something they can fix themselves.

Templars are not just healers. They are Templars in the purest sense. DPS Battle Healers. Trying to be a pure anything in an Elder Scrolls game is hilarious.

Mulk wrote: »

you don't need a dps spec. You need one AoE skill and some sense of timing on when to use it, or good mobility and reactivity. One of the best parts of this game in my opinion is that it forces you to adapt to what you are seeing. Doshia is far more kite-able than her more powerful cousins are and she casts the feasting spell far less frequently, so she is a good tutorial for something you will see later.

I play mostly as a tank in this game so it's not like I do massive amounts of burst dps either. I've killed harvester mobs (that's what Doshia is - you'll see a lot of them later) using one hander and shield with no AoE skills slotted. I've killed them with a staff by doing the kiting thing. I've killed them with a bow. And I've killed them with one AoE skill to murder the orbs and just hitting normal attack with insert weapon of choice. A variety of things will work on her. Standing there and hitting your heal spells while you dps with the resto staff can probably eventually work, but you will likely have to be a lot better at the game than the average player who just slots some damage abilities to win the fight.

Whatever you decide, good luck.

Thank you for your comment but the thing is that at level 9 you only have a finite amount of ability points. You CAN slot other weapons yes but you will have no skills in said weapon.

My combo has worked great up till this point and I have no need or desire to change it. Then this happens and what I am left with is no choices or no way to change. I am stuck as is. Even if I took the time to level my weapon skill it ouwld not change the fact that I literally get no benefit from it skill wise to replace my restro staff.

Valwardon wrote: »

Mulk wrote: »

you don't need a dps spec. You need one AoE skill and some sense of timing on when to use it, or good mobility and reactivity. One of the best parts of this game in my opinion is that it forces you to adapt to what you are seeing. Doshia is far more kite-able than her more powerful cousins are and she casts the feasting spell far less frequently, so she is a good tutorial for something you will see later.

I play mostly as a tank in this game so it's not like I do massive amounts of burst dps either. I've killed harvester mobs (that's what Doshia is - you'll see a lot of them later) using one hander and shield with no AoE skills slotted. I've killed them with a staff by doing the kiting thing. I've killed them with a bow. And I've killed them with one AoE skill to murder the orbs and just hitting normal attack with insert weapon of choice. A variety of things will work on her. Standing there and hitting your heal spells while you dps with the resto staff can probably eventually work, but you will likely have to be a lot better at the game than the average player who just slots some damage abilities to win the fight.

Whatever you decide, good luck.

Thank you for your comment but the thing is that at level 9 you only have a finite amount of ability points. You CAN slot other weapons yes but you will have no skills in said weapon.

My combo has worked great up till this point and I have no need or desire to change it. Then this happens and what I am left with is no choices or no way to change. I am stuck as is. Even if I took the time to level my weapon skill it ouwld not change the fact that I literally get no benefit from it skill wise to replace my restro staff.

I gave you advice on how to kill Doshia using one skill from the Templar Dawn's line and normal bow attacks. If you can spare 2 points for the aoe upgrade its even better.

Yshaar gave good advice on using the destruction staff- just 2 points and you have access to awesome aoe, that will synergize well with your focus on magicka.

I have tried over and over to kill her with my healer sorc. I DO have dps talents but they are just too slow or weak to put a dent in her health fast enough and spamming fast cast staff attacks do not kill the orbs in time. I tried switching to 2 hander and found myself dying even faster. You are not alone, this boss is not merciful to anyone that has slow or low dps. I focused most my skill points into resto staff and mana regen abilities so my leveling group could do group content right away. I hate these quest lines that force you to solo them, It is really not how I wanted to play this character. If i wanted a solo player TES experience id play Skyrim some more, its far prettier.
Play how you...er sorry play how WE want you too.

Ok after my umteenth try beat it just seems i got lucky with the orb respawn though some times they are so close to her it seems she justs auto heals and nothing I can do.

Doshia is easily killable with just weapon attacks alone, even easier with a ranged weapon (healing staff). Be fast on the orbs, and dodge a majority of her attacks, the battle will be fairly long, but as a healer, you should easily be able to survive and eventually take her down. It was actually one of my favorite fights because it actually required me to react quickly and not face roll my keyboard.

Beated her with 2 classes. Sorceror and Templar.
After understanding that the bubbles heal her I just dodged and killed the orbs with weapon (bow or staff) then threw some cc on her or some dot. And again and again. Fun combat I enjoyed that I had to think and not just click.

Also I should mention that this game is kinda hardcore because of the non-tab targeting and the crosshair that needs the player to do 2-3 things AND aim.
This is fun so far. Also I heal too but of course you need dps skills.
You can only slot 5 skills so take 3 heals (which is great by the level of 20) and some dps.
I don't see any problem here to be honest...

I was able to kill her on my cloth wearing, healing Templar at level 11 by switching out my normal resto staff for bow. I didn't have to change out my armor, nor did I have to invest in any bow skills. I just played smart and whittled her down.

The advise given for kiting on the stairs was accurate and effective in beta, but sadly they've changed the room she's in. At the end of beta (and I'm assuming now), she was in a fairly small cave like room, and resets if you kited her too far down the hall. I experimented with kiting her some, but your best bet is to keep in her in the middle of the original room as much as possible. Strafe around her to avoid her ground attacks. The orbs always seem to spawn near her, so there isn't enough room if they spawn on her in the hallway.

In the circular room, one pops in each corner. Giving you a few seconds to kill all four. Which means you have to be FAST, which is where the bow came in for me. I shot them with an appropriately leveled bow using the short, quick attacks. If you notice her health isn't going down or that it is regenerating, that means you aren't killing the orbs fast enough. They heal her if they get to her, just like they heal you when you destroy them.

For my fight, I hit her with a bow and instant damage skills when I had mana, while strafing around her in circles. Once the orbs popped, I stopped moving and focused on them only. Then repeated. It took forever, but I was able to get her down.

It was a challenging and fun encounter. One I'm sure would have been made easier had I been in plate, but it is possible to do in cloth. I enjoyed it, but I do think this fight could stand to be tuned down a bit. I can't imagine my mom or sister (who both play the game) being able to complete it successfully requires a more advanced level of player skill.