Doshira Not killable

rwelshmub17_ESO

Dont Nerf her, I'm so mad now after dying at least 8 times at lvl 8 and another 8 last night at lvl 9. Its a challenge and would feel kind of cheated if she gets nerfed now I'm playing a lvl 9 Redguard Nightblade. I have some pretty decent DPS. I hit her initially with Teleport Strike and use flurry for Dual wield etc. but I cant seem to hit the healer globes fast enough. This is my first foray into Online gaming since DAOC so a little rusty. Very excited about this game played all the Elder Scrolls from Arena until now.

Rantolo

She is not that hard... as pointed out in this video

Me personally I beat her with my healing templar and resto staff at lvl 8

http://youtu.be/f5iWXlQiTrw

FoleyX90

Quit trying to min/max as a healer and build something viable. I never had a problem with her as a sword & board tank type class. What I did was save up my stamina while attacking her regularly (LClick) and when orbs spawned, go apeshit with my stamina-based skills and two-shotted each orb. Git gud, brah.

KracsNZ

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, guys. We're checking it out on our end. She is supposed to be difficult, but not to the point of frustration. Also, please be sure to keep discussion civil and on-topic. We just want you beating Doshira, not each other.

Please, DO NOT NERF these sorts of encounters. This would make an already very easy game unbelievably so. This person has taken valid critique from other members of the forum and basically said they want to beat the mob with a full bar of heal spells.

I'm sorry, but if they don't want to take 1 or 2 DPS abilities then that is their issue, no one elses. If you pander to individuals like this you're going to destroy the game for the majority (i.e. ridiculously easy = not fun).

And to the OP, no one ever said you had to make a DPS spec. You can easily get just one or two DPS abilities for special occasions like this, an AoE ability is great. That isn't a DPS spec, that's adding versatility to your healing spec. I killed this mob below level as a healer heavy Templar in beta by just using the first attack in the aedric spear class line.

As another poster said, you're not going to be a pure healer in dungeons either, you're going to be getting mana back by heavy attacking mobs with your resto staff, so you're already having to DPS mobs.

FoleyX90

KracsNZ wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, guys. We're checking it out on our end. She is supposed to be difficult, but not to the point of frustration. Also, please be sure to keep discussion civil and on-topic. We just want you beating Doshira, not each other.

Please, DO NOT NERF these sorts of encounters. This would make an already very easy game unbelievably so. This person has taken valid critique from other members of the forum and basically said they want to beat the mob with a full bar of heal spells.

I'm sorry, but if they don't want to take 1 or 2 DPS abilities then that is their issue, no one elses. If you pander to individuals like this you're going to destroy the game for the majority (i.e. ridiculously easy = not fun).

And to the OP, no one ever said you had to make a DPS spec. You can easily get just one or two DPS abilities for special occasions like this, an AoE ability is great. That isn't a DPS spec, that's adding versatility to your healing spec. I killed this mob below level as a healer heavy Templar in beta by just using the first attack in the aedric spear class line.

As another poster said, you're not going to be a pure healer in dungeons either, you're going to be getting mana back by heavy attacking mobs with your resto staff, so you're already having to DPS mobs.

I wholeheartedly agree. Give me a challenge ffs.

FoleyX90

Rantolo wrote: »

She is not that hard... as pointed out in this video

Me personally I beat her with my healing templar and resto staff at lvl 8

http://youtu.be/f5iWXlQiTrw

What I read: git gud

Ysne58

I still think people who cannot take down harvesters should be allowed to group. I have poor eye-hand co-ordination and harvesters have, so far, been impossible for me. There is a group of people who just cannot handle this one.

Voodoo

I used a fire staff in beta to kill the orbs. once all orbs are dead start hitting her and kiting her around stun if/when you can. Rinse repeat until dead. I doubt anything has changed. ...I'm sure dpsing with a resto staff will be just as affective. ..its a long fight as a healer but the key is killing the orbs while avoiding her.

FoleyX90

Ysne58 wrote: »

I still think people who cannot take down harvesters should be allowed to group. I have poor eye-hand co-ordination and harvesters have, so far, been impossible for me. There is a group of people who just cannot handle this one.

Keep practicing and/or trying and/or leveling up

KracsNZ

Ysne58 wrote: »

I still think people who cannot take down harvesters should be allowed to group. I have poor eye-hand co-ordination and harvesters have, so far, been impossible for me. There is a group of people who just cannot handle this one.

Ysne, have you tried slotting a couple of AoE abilites? The orbs have very little health. i.e. as a Templar you can slot the Aedric Spear ultimate instead of the healer ultimate (useless in solo anyway since the mobs usually knock you out of it). Aedric Spear ultimate one shots all the orbs, use any other to clean up the rest.

Winnower

You can certainly play as you like and play a healer only, at least you can try. But you can't expect to do that AND solo mobs who need dps.

So your obvious solution is group with someone. Or get more damage into your rotation. Or stand and fume.

It's simply not reasonable to expect to be able to heal the monsters to death.

Rantolo

As I stated in my post above I bear her with a Healing Templar, using nothing more than Resto staff attacks and heals.... the orbs take 1 shot to kill, don't need to heavy attack them... as long as you get them before they get her then she doesn't regain health

Is it a longer fight.. sure but not impossible

Awesometographer

I did it just fine as a templar with a resto staff...

I did have one damaging skill though from Dawn's Wrath, cause leveling without damaging abilities is kinda dumb.

Rantolo

@Awesometographer‌

Agreed... I have the first 2 abilities in Dawn's Wrath.. however I had just got done running with a group and was only healing so had specced my bar out that way and didn't notice until after I started the fight with Doshia so it became resto staff only :P

Medwin

I beat her as a healing nightblade, just had to have enough mana to hit each orb with strife. If you are a templar I suggest snagging Sun fire, honestly it is just quality of life to have a damage spell. And try to always have enough mana to cast it four times. It took me a long time as a healer cause sometimes the orbs glitching and would heal her, but having a restostaff and heals made me able to just stay alive long enough to widdle her down.

Kraven

Doshia, Gutsripper, Balreth or whoever else you may be having trouble with are not "Too hard, needs to be nerfed!" If you get accustomed to and pay attention to combat they really are quite simple.

Fight mechanics are key, if you pay attention to the mechanics of a fight you can do it! Honest. If you really and truly can't then come back to it in a level or two. But if you simply PAY ATTENTION they're not difficult.

It is exactly at the right difficulty (already having been tuned down). I suggest quit expecting the content come down to your level and instead improve yourself to match the content. Otherwise you may find yourself complaining about how hard it is through a large portion of the content.

Really you think the first few quest mobs are hard? FFS some of you are in for a rough ride. Are you really so selfish to Demand the game be dumbed down to be overly simple? And then what? Come back and complain it is too easy?

Kraven

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, guys. We're checking it out on our end. She is supposed to be difficult, but not to the point of frustration. Also, please be sure to keep discussion civil and on-topic. We just want you beating Doshira, not each other.

Please for the sake of all that is right and good and decent don't start dumbing down and over simplifying this game already.

I understand there are some complaints here but lets be honest, how many complaints were ignored during PTS that had a ton more feedback? I'm asking out of sincere concern for the state of this game...rather I'm begging that ESO doesn't capitulate to every vocal complainer just because they're 'louder' than the satisfied.

esonlineub17_ESO3

During beta, this was a solo phase, and group members would be separated. Has that been fixed? Or is Doshia's phase still a solo phase?

For "expert" players begging Zenimax not to nerf these bosses -- please support these being group phases. Then you can solo them for a challenge, and we casuals can just have fun fighting these enemies with a group of friends.

Saerydoth

Eilianna wrote: »

@Zargorius

Took the words right outta my mouth. It is kinda fun seeing people that thought they were good at MMO's whining like this over something they can fix themselves.

Templars are not just healers. They are Templars in the purest sense. DPS Battle Healers. Trying to be a pure anything in an Elder Scrolls game is hilarious.

Definitely agree. This is not WOW, where you pick a spec for your character, and you follow the rotation Blizzard laid down for you to perform your role. There are no "healing" or "tank" classes in ESO. It's not QUITE like GW2 where there are no roles at all and everything is just a free for all...there is SOME room for specialization, but in groups you are going to be expected to pull your weight, not just sit back and cast heals when people need it and do nothing else.

I don't want them dumbing down this game the way WOW was dumbed down because people are lazy. You get a LOT of skill points in this game, FAR more than you can put into only healing skills. Even as a healer, if you're doing group content, and noone needs healing at that point in time, you're going to be expected to grab a destruction staff or 2-hander and help DPS. Or grab a 1H and shield and help the tank out if it gets difficult. It's the way this game is.

With the attitude of "I will only heal and not do anything else", you will last about 30 seconds in a group before you are kicked.

Sakiri

Valwardon wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Templar yes but I am heals only no DPS skills. I want to play as a healer. The game should not hinder this. It should compliment my choices. If I can only defeat the boss in one skill set then this means that the game is broken as it is advertised that you can play how you want to play. If I can not play how I want and progress through the game (within reason) Then this is clearly outside of what was advertised and the scope of the vision they painted for us.

If you're not doing damage as a healer you're hindering your group.

Kraven

The orbs literally take 1 hit. 1 single hit with a resto staff light attack.

There are several different times throughout the game you will see this type of mob. Doshia is the weakest one there is.

Jonplummer99b14_ESO

Here's my advice for this quest or any other that is giving you a hard time. Go off and level a bit and come back. I had a real tough time with this at level 8 during beta. This time, I waited until 10 and was able to complete. You have to be able to one-shot the balls or it is going to be pretty hard to beat...Devs maybe rate the quest higher?

GreySix

Valwardon wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Are you a Templar and do you have any of the dps class skills unlocked?

Templar yes but I am heals only no DPS skills. I want to play as a healer. The game should not hinder this. It should compliment my choices.

I argued hard for this during beta, but was generally shouted down by the solo-only-instance players.

Edit: To clarify, I'd argued against solo-only instancing.

Wreaken

The orbs take one hit to die.

Dot the boss up and keep moving around her so you don't take damage from her frontal cone AoE.

I did this as a full blown DK Tank build with minimal DPS.

Please don't cry for nerfs if you don't understand the fight.

FoleyX90

IMO I'm not opposed to adding the ability to have a group help you but pleease do not dumb this boss down. She is challenging, as she should be.

GreySix

FoleyX90 wrote: »

IMO I'm not opposed to adding the ability to have a group help you but pleease do not dumb this boss down. She is challenging, as she should be.

Concur. My only request is that they add an ability to group. Would be okay with increasing the difficulty of the boss (HP) with the size of the group.

esonlineub17_ESO3

If Zenimax wants my sub, they need to eliminate all -- and I mean *all* -- solo phases, and permit groups instead.

If Zenimax doesn't want my sub, then they can keep the solo phases.

I will not pay a sub to fight bosses solo. I already have Skyrim for that. The only reason I would pay a sub is to play content with other people. I'm not going to pay a sub to play the easier content with a group, and then be required to solo the harder content. That is backwards, and complete nonsense.

magic_is_might

...What level were you?

She was near impossible for me when I was ~ level 7. I went back as level 10 and beat her easily.

She is a difficult boss and the journal even tells you the recommended level to play her as. I hope you're not being foolish and going in with crappy armor, bad weapons, and sub level 10. The trick is to circle around her and attack and as soon as she pulls you in, destroy the orbs that float around before they touch her. They'll heal you if you destroy them, but heal her if they touch her. Do this repeatedly and you'll kill her. She isn't impossible.

It'd be stupid to nerf bosses just because you're too impatient to hold off the quest for awhile and level up. I've come across several quests that I've got my butt kicked. And it was frustrating for me, but I had to just leave and come back later at a higher level and better stuff. And guess what, I was able to beat it.

Be patient and stop expecting everything to be an easy battle.

Sakiri

esonlineub17_ESO3 wrote: »

If Zenimax wants my sub, they need to eliminate all -- and I mean *all* -- solo phases, and permit groups instead.

If Zenimax doesn't want my sub, then they can keep the solo phases.

I will not pay a sub to fight bosses solo. I already have Skyrim for that. The only reason I would pay a sub is to play content with other people. I'm not going to pay a sub to play the easier content with a group, and then be required to solo the harder content. That is backwards, and complete nonsense.

Then go?

Fighters and Mages Guild quest lines as well as the main quest line, are solo endeavors.

If you can't handle that, sorry.

AngryNord

FoleyX90 wrote: »

IMO I'm not opposed to adding the ability to have a group help you but pleease do not dumb this boss down. She is challenging, as she should be.

The boss itself isn't too bad, actually what I heard most complaints over, apart from the solo-only instancing, was the amount of Daedra you had to plow through to get her. Rather remove some of those.. Or perhaps even all and make it a boss-only fight?