[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets

altemriel · December 2017

Kram8ion wrote: »

Julianos!
There I’ve said it
I’ve tried a lot with this set in light and heavy and it’s just not doing it for me I’m not seeing what everyone else is saying so come at me bro’

lol, Julianos is the Hunding`s Range of magicka builds

firedrgn · December 2017

Did wilderqueen make the list.? Seems completely worthless. Already get a 40% debuff in the bow skill line.

elijafire · December 2017

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Perhaps Combat Physician in 4man content. I assumed we were talking about PvP. But there are so many better options for increasing your group’s impact in meaningful ways. In 4 man I don’t need a damage shield to throw on them, extended/rapid/ and the occasional BoL more than covers it. I want to make it faster to go through content.
Speed = value. Time I see the prime motivator for everything. No one has limitless time to play, so I play to making things more expedient.

4 man content =. SPC and IA give me a ton of value. Even Bloodroot HM/VDSA I’ve never needed to shield someone. If I REALLY did, I’d use healing ward. That way I KNOW it goes to the one I want (likely a DPS), not the tank who continually takes damage.

I like the idea of the set, but they’d need to either lower the cooldown to make me consider it. Perhaps 3-4seconds.

I apologize, I didn’t know what facet of the game some game you were using it. Trials/PvP a big no obviously. But the thing with 4man is you can generally get away with wearing anything. Ive healer a vet 4 man without any gear on.

You hit the heart of the subject and everything you said is correct. Just because a person has taken damage or is even below max health does NOT mean they need the bubble. As soon as they get the bubble they take it away from someone else who may need it for 6 excruciating seconds.

There would have to be ZERO CD on this for me to use (maybe 1 or 2 max) it as the Critical requirement is enough of a restriction coupled with the fact that it's "random" and you have zero control over who it goes on.

Utterly useless set for healing atm, literally anything with magicka on it in LA would be better than this junk.

Gan Xing · December 2017

resdayn00 wrote: »

I didn't read the whole discussion, so I apologize if it has been mentioned already, I would just like to add that IMO not all sets should be BiS and not all of them are meant for the hardest of content in the game. Warrior-Poet for example is pretty formidable for casual players which make up the majority of the playerbase, obviously it's not meant to be the best set available for tanks running vet trials, but for most of the content in the game it'll perform well. Although it's not mentioned here, War Maiden is also pretty nice as a magicka dd set, very underrated and will suit most players. You can find better sets, you can achieve more dps by using different sets, but again, not all sets are meant to be BiS. We have a very large variety of sets for all different scenarios, most of which are pretty fun to use in casual PvE scenarios actually. There are garbage sets too, I agree with that, but not as many as you listed.

We aren't saying they have to be best in slot, we are saying that if ZOS wants build diversity, they should update or fix these sets so that they are usable. There are way too many sets that are extremely narrow in how they can be used, and even then, they you can't use them very well.

Waffennacht · December 2017

Trinimac's Valor after several un-needed nerfs and no buffs, this set is complete junk

Narvuntien · December 2017

Noble duelist.. I was looking at it stamina recovery and then 2x spell damage bonuses.. what the hell.

elijafire · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Trinimac's Valor after several un-needed nerfs and no buffs, this set is complete junk

Exactly, we could start a whole nother thread on why ZoS continues to consistently nerf sets and skills that were never even over powered to begin with. Not all but MOST of the things they nerf aren't even the problem in a niche build, may as well delete the sets.

Spriggans and Spinners are two very good examples of how to nerf a set, Trinimacs and Green Pact are among the many examples of BAD nerfs that were either overdone or inappropriate.

Noble Duelist I think we can put in a group of sets called "Pre T1" right? Where wep dmg and crit applied to staves as well as regular weapons. I mean, stam recovery is good for pvp and vMA where you dodge roll and break free quite a bit, bit there are sooo many other sets much better for pvp.

exiars10 · February 2018

26. Warrior-Poet utter garbage, even the worst tank set does it better.

How about NO. There are far worse tanking sets, and this set is not even bad even if you run Warnhorn, and if you don't then how is it bad?

dazee · February 2018

On stealth characters (thief, assassin themes) I always get the 3 piece Night Terror bonus. The reduction to detection range helps a good deal.

josiahva · February 2018

I use Way of Martial Knowledge backbar on my Magicka DK tank/DPS hybrid...I like the 4 piece and its a cheap set to get. I proc the 5 piece bonus often enough, but its the 4 piece I use it for.

MercTheMage · February 2018

Para Bellum
Do people actually use it?
I feel like if you can go 10 seconds without taking damage, you clearly don't need a ward lol
But hey, I could be wrong.

Ardan147 · February 2018

Way of Martial Knowledge is good as a FOUR piece set, especially given how cheap it is to acquire (especially since the fifth piece bonus is, let's face it, crap.) Of course if they ever make it so you can have two handed weapons count for two set items, Martial Knowledge becomes a lot less useful. One thing I can see that might work well is a Mechanical Acuity staff on front bar, Martial Knowledge staff on back bar. Drop AOE DOT from back bar proc'ing Martial Knowledge, switch to front bar and proc Mechanical Acuity.

Also Hunt Leader could possibly be useful for a Stamina Warden, but little else. Stamina sorcerers generally don't use pets, as sorcerer pet damage scales with max magicka and with small magicka pools the pets are useless. (Suggestion for ZOS: have the Clannfear and Twilight Tormentor morphs convert to stamina abilities so that stam sorcs can have useful pets. Given that I can't think of a good reason why a mag sorc should take either of them over Volatile Familiar and Twilight Matriarch respectively. I could possibly see using the Tormentor if one wanted to go all-in on damage, but it seems kind of overkill, while the Matriarch's ability to not only heal you but other members of your team as well is invaluable.)

Other sets that are situationally useful - but that I would never use in group dungeons or trials - include Night Terror and Night Mother's Embrace for maximum stealth, Oblivion's Edge for (quickly and easily) filling empty soul gems, and Darkstride for farming to get around even faster (combine with Prisoner's Rags to be able to run real fast for very little cost.)

elijafire · March 2018

Ardan147 wrote: »

Way of Martial Knowledge is good as a FOUR piece set, especially given how cheap it is to acquire (especially since the fifth piece bonus is, let's face it, crap.) Of course if they ever make it so you can have two handed weapons count for two set items, Martial Knowledge becomes a lot less useful. One thing I can see that might work well is a Mechanical Acuity staff on front bar, Martial Knowledge staff on back bar. Drop AOE DOT from back bar proc'ing Martial Knowledge, switch to front bar and proc Mechanical Acuity.

Also Hunt Leader could possibly be useful for a Stamina Warden, but little else. Stamina sorcerers generally don't use pets, as sorcerer pet damage scales with max magicka and with small magicka pools the pets are useless. (Suggestion for ZOS: have the Clannfear and Twilight Tormentor morphs convert to stamina abilities so that stam sorcs can have useful pets. Given that I can't think of a good reason why a mag sorc should take either of them over Volatile Familiar and Twilight Matriarch respectively. I could possibly see using the Tormentor if one wanted to go all-in on damage, but it seems kind of overkill, while the Matriarch's ability to not only heal you but other members of your team as well is invaluable.)

Other sets that are situationally useful - but that I would never use in group dungeons or trials - include Night Terror and Night Mother's Embrace for maximum stealth, Oblivion's Edge for (quickly and easily) filling empty soul gems, and Darkstride for farming to get around even faster (combine with Prisoner's Rags to be able to run real fast for very little cost.)

Well thought out and good points, there is a difference between sets that are very useful in very niche situations and those that are just plain garbage across the board. The travesty is some of them are pretty good without the insanely long CD's and other's need just a few tweeks.

Jusey1 · March 2018

I am not too sure how Warrior-Poet is bad... Sure, there are some other options you can use for better effects but if you wanna create a tank with most amount of health possible... Warrior-Poet is one of the two sets you will most likely use. Out of curiosity and mostly for fun... I decided to stack up Warrior-Poet with Plague Doctor just to see how much health I can stack up with just armor sets and my food buff... (It came up about 53K health. I could even keep going with more buffs if I really want to).

Now, I get it. Having a lot of health isn't much needed, especially since you'll have a healer with you, and there are sets to allow you to do more unique things but I'm just saying... Warrior-Poet is a set for giving you maximum health, and does that job really well. Especially if you're focusing your other sets to be more about helping your stam or magicka (or some special 5 piece effect) rather than to help your total maximum health. Plague Doctor does a similar thing, and can be better (though how much better depends on your total maximum health due to Warrior-Poet being based on percentage while Plague Doctor is a flat 4k increase). On top of that, Warrior-Poet's 4th piece is more useful than Plague Doctor since it increases DR while Plague is just increasing your healing taken.

TheDoomsdayMonster · March 2018

elijafire wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Perhaps Combat Physician in 4man content. I assumed we were talking about PvP. But there are so many better options for increasing your group’s impact in meaningful ways. In 4 man I don’t need a damage shield to throw on them, extended/rapid/ and the occasional BoL more than covers it. I want to make it faster to go through content.
Speed = value. Time I see the prime motivator for everything. No one has limitless time to play, so I play to making things more expedient.

4 man content =. SPC and IA give me a ton of value. Even Bloodroot HM/VDSA I’ve never needed to shield someone. If I REALLY did, I’d use healing ward. That way I KNOW it goes to the one I want (likely a DPS), not the tank who continually takes damage.

I like the idea of the set, but they’d need to either lower the cooldown to make me consider it. Perhaps 3-4seconds.

I apologize, I didn’t know what facet of the game some game you were using it. Trials/PvP a big no obviously. But the thing with 4man is you can generally get away with wearing anything. Ive healer a vet 4 man without any gear on.

You hit the heart of the subject and everything you said is correct. Just because a person has taken damage or is even below max health does NOT mean they need the bubble. As soon as they get the bubble they take it away from someone else who may need it for 6 excruciating seconds.

There would have to be ZERO CD on this for me to use (maybe 1 or 2 max) it as the Critical requirement is enough of a restriction coupled with the fact that it's "random" and you have zero control over who it goes on.

Utterly useless set for healing atm, literally anything with magicka on it in LA would be better than this junk.

Except everything he said is not correct...

And once again, the set is not trash; its very good if you have a build that takes advantage of what it brings to the table...

I certainly have completed all Vet 4 man content with it, but what do I know besides possessing extensive experience using this set while you do not...

SydneyGrey · March 2018

The Flanking set from the Gold Coast... I don't even bother trying to sell it in guild stores, because I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy it. I just deconstruct it. I can't imagine that PvP gankers would even want it, but I could be wrong.

I like Treasure Hunter and Toothrow, though.

notyuu · March 2018

elijafire wrote: »

Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.

Stam warden using the bear would work with this, no?
Plus could see this being used with h1+s & jewls for a warden tank (not meta, but it'd work)

Sinolai · March 2018

I actually agree with most of these. Especially the Ice Damage related sets are outdated relics from time when Ice Staff was for damage (and Ice Furnace predates even that, when light/heavy attack scaled from weapon damage with all weapons)

coplannb16_ESO · March 2018

notyuu wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.

Stam warden using the bear would work with this, no?
Plus could see this being used with h1+s & jewls for a warden tank (not meta, but it'd work)

also works for NB with Shades or temporary pets from monster helmets,

but the problem is the cooldown and weak effect (10 secs / 2400 health, 1200 stamina?). Vicious Ophidian is so much better for sustain.

Rungar · March 2018

daedric trickery combined with jorvulds is pretty good for tanking combined with pirate skeleton monster.

Maura_Neysa · March 2018

Only 2 I’ll disagre with.
Shalk’s is good on a PvP tank with mostly mag skills. Like a Warden, making all that pain in the butt Frost hurt a little more. Personally I choose a Set with more group utility though.

Hircine Veneer, not because I ever see it used, but because you said cost reduction. Because Stam skills are on the order of 1000 cheaper then mag skills, 12% recovery is actually better sustain than Worms 4% Reduction. However, the only reason Worm gained any attention was because people couldn’t handle the sustain changes. Stams just seem to wrap their minds around HA builds a little faster than Mags. However with Dragon Bones, Worm has also fallen out of favor again. People are once again poo pooing Healers that show up to a Trial with it on.

I’d also just like to call out Sithis as being a whole other level of pointless beyond most of the list. If I just Blade of Woe, why in the world do I want a combat buff. Give it Expedition, or Cloak or anything stealth at all, free sneak, Woe someone right in front of someone else. Go full immersion and zero usefulness in combat at all. All would be better choices.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

@Maura_Neysa 12% recovery is actually better sustain than Worms 4% Reduction.

this is patently false, the more expensive a skill is, the better cost reduction is. unless you are saying that a stam set that reduced cost is worse then a set then a stam set that gives regen. again that is just patently false. if for no other reason that you can stop regen altogether on any class/build, not like with mag regen, where you have to have an ice staff, with the relevant skill points into the passive. this alone is reason enough that buff stam regen is garbo for more applications then cost reduction. '

but lets set that aside. the actual percent that stam skill are lower then their magic counter points is 15%(https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4138687#Comment_4138687) so the average skill cost for mag is around 3k, on the low end. so 15% lower then 3k is 2550. to have 12% regen match 4% cost reduction at that skill cost, you would have to have 1700 BASE regen, no stam build will have that. so regen is just garbage.

Sawzallz · March 2018

Wardens bear is a pet and it has a stam morph

xbobx · March 2018

dazee wrote: »

On stealth characters (thief, assassin themes) I always get the 3 piece Night Terror bonus. The reduction to detection range helps a good deal.

my woodelf nightblade has two stealth sets on, one detection and one to ignore sneak and its a lot of fun. He is my money maker and farmer.

I can open up chests 2 feet from someone and they dont see me.

Peekachu99 · March 2018

Oblivion's Foe is indisputably useless, I’ll give him that. Rest of the list is debateable.

xbobx · March 2018

would briarheart paired with accuity be a good double set for something like stamina nightblade?

that would be a lot of up time on crits.

xbobx · March 2018

Destruent wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?

The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.

Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.

but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....

I totally agree.

Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.

use crit/spelldmg/magicka-potions and you don't need inner light(although it would increase your magicka-->dps) and treasure hunter.

i hate comments of, just use potions.

yes, lets just toss money away on potions if you are just running overland content for fun. Not everyone spends their days in arenas and dungeons

Mephisto939 · March 2018

The reality is that sadly ZOS doesn't seem to want build diversity. Anytime someone finds a creative way to put 2 sets together you can set your watch and wait for ZOS's inevitable nerfing. All of your grinding to get the right pieces was a complete waste of time. My personal favorite is when they ruin PVE sets because of PVP issues and vice-versa. What we are left with is sets that are complete trash, and sets that are pretty much the same in terms of DPS or sustain.

Asardes · March 2018

xbobx wrote: »

would briarheart paired with accuity be a good double set for something like stamina nightblade?

that would be a lot of up time on crits.

If he's a cat that would be a pretty good combo. For any other race Mechanical Acuity would be better instead of Briarheart; Acuity is better the lower the critical rating you have. If it's >65%, sets with 2 x 688 critical will be better.

Gilvoth · March 2018

trash to You but is a Treasure to some one else, and peoples Builds depend on what allready exist!