Classes suck. I would prefer we just had skill l ok nes to choose from.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Well... All existing classes start with magicka-based abilities, and even stamina morphs look like magic. So I think it would be interesting to see a class with stamina-based skill trees...

The very setup of the system speaks against that.
After all, quite obviosuly each class was supposed to be playable in magica and stamina flavor, with the magica flavor able to use a wide range of class skills, but the stamina flavor more limited to the weapojn skills - because stamine build means muscle-power, and that means swinding weapons.
Now if we had a class for stamina, it would be nice for stamina builds who then somehow could have muscle-magic... but completely unsuitable for magica builds, because they would be limited to their staff skills, and those just wouldn't be enough, methinks...
Also, it would not make all that much sense.

Now, if we were to talk about a -guild- skill line that only uses stamina skills... (cough, fighters guild, cough) there I could see several options added!

Well, magicka morphs of physical abilities could work just fine. I mean, we already have nb bow (which can be magicka or stamina based iirc) and battlemage characters exist in TES lore. Also, there is no way to play a warrior without flashy magics, which is kinda weird since it was possible in all other TES games and I think it could be a nice addition.
And class abilities are not weapon-based and can be used with any build anyway.
As for "muscle-magic", well, we have things like Vigor and other unrealistic abilities so adding skill trees based on concentration and whatnot wouldnt be too far-fetched.

I dont even like stamina builds, but I think that its kinda boring that stamina builds are all the same except for some flavour skills. Imo theres no point in adding new classes as long as thats the case.

None of them sound compelling.

One Punch Man class!

That or Sūpāhīrō school girl!

new class = "flag guard"

access to every classes abilities = op asf!!!!

Necromancy is bestromancy!

Lag class that doesn’t lag

TheShadowScout wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Well, magicka morphs of physical abilities could work just fine. I mean, we already have nb bow (which can be magicka or stamina based iirc) and battlemage characters exist in TES lore.

Generally...
...a skill based on muscle power, like swinging or slinging a more or less heavy piece of sharp metal at your opponents bodies to let some air at their juicy innards... those are stamina based, and always should be.
...a skill based on mental power, like making a flaming inferno appear around your opponent as if by... magic! well, by magic, period! Those skills are magica based, and always should be.
...and then there are hybrid skills, like... magicking up a spear made of golden light and then chucking it at your enemy... and those could and should have options, like morphing it more to the mental side to magic up a better spear, or morphing it more to the muscle side to throw the spear you have magicked up better (aka, stamina morph)

There could be more stamina skills. I just don't think that they would make for a good -class- that gets locked into stamina builds that way... much better to envision something like that as some sort of optional skill line. No matter if it ends up coming as world skill lines, guild skill lines, weapon skill lines or some sort of "prestige class morph" option...

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Also, there is no way to play a warrior without flashy magics, which is kinda weird since it was possible in all other TES games and I think it could be a nice addition.

Sure there is!
Just forget the "flashy magics" of your class skills and go with weapon skills alone! (and maybe some fighter guild skills, and some assault skills...)
These days we even get a weapon skill ultimate...

It may not be so "flashy", but it works well enough.

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

And class abilities are not weapon-based and can be used with any build anyway.
As for "muscle-magic", well, we have things like Vigor and other unrealistic abilities so adding skill trees based on concentration and whatnot wouldnt be too far-fetched.

As a -skill tree- it would make a great deal of semse to add something "martial arts-y". WEe do have several such skills spread over the place, most in weapon skill lines... though vigor is not really that unrealistic if you see it with the same eye as all those "martial arts movie bossfight recovery scenes" - not that "magical" either, not like it makes flames appear by punching hard enough or some other sillyness, right?

Now, as a class though - a stamine skill tree would make a lot less sense, as it would pigeonhole that class into stamina builds. And as I mentioned, the classes were supposed to let people pick their options... thos is why they generally have a lot of magica build useful skills, and a few stamina support skills, as stamina builds are -supposed- to depend more on their weapons. I mean, that IS how physcial fighters do their damage in a semi-realistic setting, by hitting people hard, not by flinging chi-fireballs...

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

I dont even like stamina builds, but I think that its kinda boring that stamina builds are all the same except for some flavour skills. Imo theres no point in adding new classes as long as thats the case.

And I am all for giving stamina builds more options. But not as new class. As something that all existing stamina builds can "refit" instead.

A martial artist guild DLC? Count me in!
New weapon skill lines? Count me in!
Stamina support world skill line? Count me in!
Or "prestige class specializazions", with a stamnia option among them? Count me in!

But a "stamina builds only" class? Not what I want to see...

1) I never said that it should be "stamina only" class. I just said that if they would add a new class, it would be much more interesting if said class would be different. For example, a class that is mostly stamina-based with a few magicka morphs (I said that in my first post ) So that hypotetical class would still be playable in magicka spec. After all, all existing builds normally use a few class skills+several weapon and guild skills.
Sure, there are other options. But IF they would add a new class, I want it to be unique in one way or another.
2) Theres no "hybrid abilities", they always consume magicka OR stamina (or sometimes health), but not both. The fact that they look magical doesnt make them hybrid.
3) Spitting green fire, summoning spectral knives, attacking enemies with magical spears still looks like magicka abilities even if they scale with stamina. This is one of ESO flaws in my opinion. After all, barbarians/rangers/etc were viable playstyles in previous TES games and are pretty damn popular in general. So I would like to see more of that, I think it would be more immersive and lore-friendly than those giant mushrooms and flowers.
4) No, limiting your char to weapon skill lines isnt the answer. Its only good for roleplaying since you would just gimp yourself by not using "magical" class skills. It doesnt "work well enough" unless you want to spam snipe in normal dungeons.
5) I never said I want to pigeonhole anything. I just want more variety. Thats it.
That could work as a skill line, yes. But the poll was about new classes.

an assassin class

assassin skill line:
please note: the nightblade skill lines in eso that are similar to those i mention below simply aren't what stealth and alteration and illusion are like in the elderscrolls SP series. although there are some similarities in the current nightblade abilities and skill lines they simply are Heavily lacking in stealth abilities, here are a few examples of expanding that assassin skill line we currently have.

A Toggle ON/OFF invisibility skill

Darkness: the ability to create darkness and shade and blend in with the environment around you - You are harder to detect in dark areas.
the ability to blend in with a colorfull area mirroring the area you are at with foliage aperiance similar to the situation and areas your forced to blend with.

noise:
the ability to silence your every movement, including combat sounds. and sneaking sounds and walking and even fast paced running sounds.
NOTE:Noise may be used to distract enemies or lead them away from your position in order to maintain stealth. For instance, shoot an arrow at a wall close to your target but far away from you and the enemy will investigate the noise--allowing time to leave or continue shooting.

Backstab: skill line When making a stealth attack on an enemy, your weapon does extra damage. you are able to perform these on moving targets and there are several abilities associated with its skill line and abilities. and several choices of cutting the throat, or ribs, or legs ect ect ...

an alteration:
altering the environment around you with a sence of calm and relaxation so your target and completely relaxed and softened, thus your sting of Death has a Greater chance of reaching the deepest portions of the Targets Mind.

an invisibility:
skill line that allows for a toggle of invisibility that even is unable to be broken by Any means.
the ability to become mist form like a small fog making it completely impossible to search you out even in very small quarters.

Illusion:
Illusion is the field of magic which prides itself on tom-foolery and faking people out.

Muffle:
While most spells require you to actively use them in combat situations or on specific objects to progress, there is at least one spell that doesn't: Muffle. Muffle is an Illusion spell that quiets your movements.

Hypnotic Gaze:
even when your subject Has found you and you have zero chance of stealthing yourself, you are able to meld thier thinking and skills become inactive due to your OverWhelming presence and poise of manirism that is like unto a King Cobra's ability in open battle.

Very High Speeds in both sneak and running.
this skill line should open up greater as you become able to escape after killing an enemy within a large group.
thus allowing for complete escape.

Quiet Casting:
your every spell and even healing is silenced and muffled ...

skill line with Many Throwing weapons star, throwing axes, various and many types of daggers including daedric, glass and ebony types with varying damage per ea. type.

Necromancer, psion... By the Eight Divines, why? Necromancer was never a class, it's more like sub-class if you like. It's just a magician, a sorcerer, a conjurer. Psion is what? Introducing such class, if I understood it correctly, one need to greatly overwrite/expand existing lore.
If new class will be added, in my opinion, it should be something more like martial arts (not Akaviri) oriented, a Barbarian, a Warrior, a Scout, an Agent or something like these. And yeah, give us polearms already.

or witch hunter

no more classes! there's already too many.

skill lines are what we need. Actually, nothing more added. Fix the current ones we have to be all competitive.